Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid - welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this, and happy 4th July in advance.)
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lurker@awful.systems · 18 pts · 35d
Tech Bros Puzzled by Why AI Hasn’t “Massively Disrupted” Books Yet
AI bros fundamentally misunderstanding why people create and enjoy art part 304
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 11 pts · 35d
Counterpoint, why are these LLM bros still on human social media rather than just asking their chatbots to simulate a forum full of people who disagree with them just enough to be interesting but not so much that they actually risk changing their mind.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 18 pts · 40d
Via (she also predicted it): Bryan Johnson gave himself a incurable disease.
Welcome to the age of Oceangatelikes.
E: He blames it on eating sugar as a kid. AI will fix it.
maol@awful.systems · 17 pts · 40d
i'm sure this guy will have a sane, healthy and self-compassionate attitude to disability and long-term illness.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 13 pts · 40d
that could be any of who knows how many untested things he tried over years
"don't die" - famous last words
e: this is also sorta why clinical trials are a thing, and why so often there's recommendation to not treat disease at all, and why you leave that call to a professional, not decide on your own. especially when your own education is MBA from BYU
update 2: bluesky people say he also ate rapamycin then stopped; also dried cow thyroid; got some unapproved "anti-aging gene therapy" in honduras; probably among many other unusual things. he won't be even useful as a case study because deconvoluting all this nonsense would be impossible. maybe as an example
man they really do like reinventing alchemy, did anyone suggested cinnabar yet? i guess him blaming sugar for it might be beginning of new grift
BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems · 10 pts · 40d
Between this and Elon's sad AI birthday party pics, I came to the conclusion that the default consensus for anything someone who's wealth exceeds a certain amount says should be ruled horseshit with no further verification needed. Yeah, occasionally there will be a pony under all that shit but it ain't worth digging for when it's there.
Anyways, calling horseshit on this because even if parts of it aren't, they aren't important compared to the greater horseshit coming from a guy who has an autoimmune disease like Bryan Johnson, that disease being "everything out of Bryan Johnson's mouth is horseshit"
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 3 pts · 40d
I missed those pics.
samvines@awful.systems · 6 pts · 40d
Me too. Saved future readers a search
BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems · 7 pts · 39d
Elon's sad birthday pics he posted using his sock puppet account where he pretends to be his mom should be a top level comment here, also is hilarious but sad.
froztbyte@awful.systems · 4 pts · 39d
thank you for saving me a search
and even then I regret looking
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 4 pts · 38d
Thanks, I am however one of those annoying people who doesn't think he runs his moms account. (We knew his alts due to a lawsuit and how posting screenshots of his setup, and his mom (and that random dude he was accused of being) are not on them, and both have always been weird posters).
Soesnt change the sadcringe.
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 4 pts · 38d
It's both less sad because he's probably not completely LARPing as his entire family on twitter, but also more sad because that's his actual mother who couldn't be arsed to actually be present and decided to slop it up for social media clout instead.
Rinn@awful.systems · 9 pts · 40d
I guess the silver lining here is that "his team" might accidentally discover some actual way to help sufferers of this disease? Unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
kevingranade@mastodon.gamedev.place · 9 pts · 38d
@Soyweiser @BlueMonday1984 aah yes years of sketchy medical interventions, no couldn't be that, it was that time he ate froot loops
antifuchs@awful.systems · 8 pts · 40d
The right to bodily autonomy includes doing incredibly dangerous/untested shit to your body that will hurt you until you die; but it does not include posting through it (that is that secondary right to free expression, which also allows us to point and laugh).
Anyway, gg Johnson, maybe one day you’ll realize we are all tiny sparks trapped in decaying bags of flesh and the only thing that matters is what we do with that.
dgerard@awful.systems · 7 pts · 39d
BRYAN JOHNSON: transhumanist body hacker, fucks self up and dies by 50
HUNTER BIDEN: subsists on crack and hookers, will live to 100
fullsquare@awful.systems · 10 pts · 39d
move fast and break yourself!
Sonikku@techhub.social · 8 pts · 39d
@dgerard all due respect Hunter has said he’s something like 7 years clean so power to him.
And his social media posts are fantastic.
schnoopy@awful.systems · 4 pts · 38d
*The PR firm's tweets
Sonikku@techhub.social · 6 pts · 38d
@schnoopy hell of a PR firm to tweet crack smokin
schnoopy@awful.systems · 6 pts · 38d
Look up the history of snarky millenial advertising. Everything online is constructed as hell lol
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 4 pts · 38d
If it is a firm I hope they're getting some good word of mouth on the back-end because they're on point.
rook@awful.systems · 15 pts · 41d
A couple of bits of nice ai news recently, for anyone who hasn’t come across them already:
Bosses Horrified as “AI Native” College Graduates Hit the Workplace
I can’t help thinking that, funny as this is, the people who are really going to the be worst off here are a bunch of new grads with a load of debt and an education that has made them less able to do anything at all. They’re not all going to be grifters, after all.
Meta's Zuckerberg says AI agent tech progressing slower than expected
This is brilliant. They’re making so many mistakes they’re actually having to admit it. It’s amazing how incompetent zuckerberg is… late to every fad he’s tried in the last decade and fucks it up when he finally gets there.
I’m sure there was a third thing, but I found it yesterday when the site appeared to be down (at least for me) and now I can’t remember it or spot it in my million open tabs.
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 10 pts · 41d
So not only are STEM graduates (mainly compsci grads) struggling to get jobs as it is, employers are explicitly passing them over for """useless""" humanities degrees instead. I'm not sure whether to laugh at the irony of the situation, or crash out at the fact my own compsci/cybersec degrees may have become a liability.
rook@awful.systems · 7 pts · 41d
I’m hoping my own qualifications sufficiently predate the llm era that I’d be safe from that particular filter, so I’ll only have to worry about being too old and/or too expensive.
BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems · 5 pts · 40d
I'm thinking about going back to school and seeking a manufacturing job because even though I have been doing software professionally for 22 years, the entire industry is fucked by short term thinking and ignoring consequences.
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 2 pts · 40d
Your qualifications predate the LLM rot by fucking ages, and your position against them is crystal clear. Given both of those, bypassing that filter should be easy enough.
rook@awful.systems · 10 pts · 41d
Whilst I try and remember, there’s this older post by blackle mori , a joke about doing undercover data harvesting work for llm companies by pretending to be a teacher and scanning children’s schoolwork.
Which was then followed in the real world by Researchers Wanted Preschool Teachers to Wear Cameras to Train AI (paywall) because satire is impossible now, I guess? I can’t find out if the plan ever came to anything, though.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 40d
It is because they have basically run out of ideas to try, or the ability to see the difference between good and bad ideas in the gold rush. You saw the same with cryptocurrencies, where every joke you made was already a shitcoin somewhere.
Move fast and break things taken as a religious decree.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 6 pts · 40d
He is the voxday of the billionaire tech bros.
(Voxday is a whitenat far right alt right figure who also does that with every alt right culture war topic. He makes the plausible deniable, undeniable. For example he claimed he was big in the alt right movement and just went out and said 'we want the 14 words').
rook@awful.systems · 8 pts · 40d
I’m more familiar with vox day than I’d really like. He hasn’t pivoted from the culture war stuff that he’s known for, but he has branched out into ai music and video these days.
cstross@wandering.shop · 15 pts · 40d
@rook I am immensely proud that some years ago I made a list VD blogged of "ten SF publishing people whose chromed skulls I want as desk ornaments".
It's good to be hated by the *worst* people. And it's totes on brand for him to be filling his empty mind with AI slop.
o7___o7@awful.systems · 6 pts · 39d
Top-tier resume material
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 5 pts · 38d
Not sure if you are aware of the work of the youtuber hbomberguy, but he had a video on some manosphere guys where said 'what is it with these people and skulls' when he noticed that david auroni always had his pet skull in each shot.
maol@awful.systems · 1 pts · 40d
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 7 pts · 40d
The main thing I knew him for is his failed attempt to hijack the Hugo Awards back in 2015.
(There's a r/HobbyDrama post about the whole debacle, which I recommend checking out)
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 6 pts · 38d
That is actually an example of what im talking about, he didnt create the sad puppies, he latched on to it and created the rabid puppies. See the weird latching on behavior.
korydg@awful.systems · 6 pts · 40d
Vox Day, the living embodiment of Dashiell Hammett's line, "The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter".
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 6 pts · 40d
HA, and people thought the whole 'AI generation is the tool of fascism' was a joke.
rook@awful.systems · 13 pts · 40d
More ai stuff, this time from flathub: Democratizing Abandonware.
Flathub has a fairly relaxed ai policy that both ai bros and strongly anti ai people are unhappy with. It was brought in to try and deal with the review burden of slop submissions where no human is involved, and a chatbot fields review comments.
Turns out that ~75% of submissions that got a slop tag were abandoned… not just the submission, but the entire git repo behind it, too. The author is quick to point out that this is far from a representative study, but I can certainly believe that a) people who have invested little time or effort into their slopware will abandon it without much concern, and b) things like openclaw could definitely submit bullshit packages that are immediately forgotten as its internal state moves on. There’s no malice in the same way there’s no intent, just shitty tools being left running and polluting everything around them.
scruiser@awful.systems · 13 pts · 36d
Lesswronger is mad the current pipeline to sanewash and legitimize lesswrong forum posts into academic content takes too long and thinks about ways to accelerate it: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/wn5jTrtKkhspshA4c/michaeldickens-s-shortform?commentId=gyJWhLjq5fPh9Bv3b
maol@awful.systems · 13 pts · 35d
I was at Trans and Intersex Pride in Dublin today and the last speaker took a moment to complain about AI during their speech. "These billionaires are burning the planet down with generative AI because they don't have the patience to draw a picture or write an email..."
lurker@awful.systems · 12 pts · 35d
Apple sues OpenAI over leaking their secrets
Now I’m no business guy, but this appears to be pretty catastrophically bad for a pre-IPO OpenAI
This has now been made its own post
maol@awful.systems · 12 pts · 40d
The future is so strange (I got this in my youtube suggestions)
like, try explaining this to someone from 20 years ago and they'd look at you like you were off your rocker
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 13 pts · 40d
"Okay, so it starts with a doomsday cult which formed around GameStop..."
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 7 pts · 38d
Not sure GameStop would have been a thing without shitcoins showing that this sort of mass media pushing could drive up value. So to properly explain it, start at 13th century bruge. So again you can blame the Dutch for everything. (I know it was actually French at the time).
froztbyte@awful.systems · 7 pts · 39d
151 thousand views
one hundred. and. fifty one. thousand. views.
brb ordering a tasty cocktail with which to distract myself
froztbyte@awful.systems · 8 pts · 39d
I went with the whiskey glass-sized gin/campari/martini rosso/cherry thing. a less regrettable decision
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 11 pts · 37d
Another OpenAI attempt at monetization has died an ignoble death.
nfultz@awful.systems · 11 pts · 40d
AI has hacked the code of human civilization | Yuval Noah Harari at Oxford. via naked capitalism.
hrmmm. Harari was always a recommended book on rationalist-adjacent sites like ribbonfarm and farnam street back in the day. He too has an ai talk.
So half-right that it's almost impressive. But I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
nfultz@awful.systems · 11 pts · 40d
I hadn't thought of Ribbon Farm in like 5 years, but when I googled it today I found this:
https://contraptions.venkateshrao.com/p/ribbonfarm-resurrected
?O kay?
wget -rwasn't good enough for a static copy?wat
why can't you just make a tulpa like a normal person.
well whatever, I'll ask about the harari.
what even the fuck is this word salad saying. at least upgrade to the one that isn't em dash trigger happy.
now I'm afraid to google farnam street.
istewart@awful.systems · 9 pts · 40d
I could just bundle everything I've ever written into a ZIP file, and then it would be losslessly compressed. Just saying.
froztbyte@awful.systems · 8 pts · 39d
I’ve got wordpress sites in production that each do multiple million hits a day. they’re full of some of the worst plugins ever (because wordpress sites living more than a few years seem destined to become hellish katamaris), and still it’s barely at “performance engineering” levels of problem
so when I see $1500/y of hosting? what the fuck are these clowns doing
froztbyte@awful.systems · 8 pts · 39d
for comparison: you can get two boxes of tin (together in the ballpark of 32..48 cores, 128GB of RAM, approx 1TB of NVME or 4..8TB of spinnies) at someone like hetzner, with extra IPv4 allocations, for ~$1355/y
I’ve seen media agencies billing in the millions host on less. and venkatesh posts about his blog needing “high end hosting”? the same blog that barely had css or images? absolute clown shit
flowerysong@awful.systems · 4 pts · 38d
Paying to run it on someone else's computer. WPEngine charge $130/month for the level of their Essential plan that's supposed to handle 100,000 visits/month. That's $1560/year, which is near enough to his claim that it's probably what he was on.
froztbyte@awful.systems · 3 pts · 38d
the first part wasn’t really a surprise (I am the someone else’s computer in a number of areas), but those numbers.. 100k/mo hit cap/target? holy shit. no wonder such fucked fortunes have been made off wordpress
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 7 pts · 40d
I don't necessarily hate this, because you can easily read it as highlighting the AI systems' lack of agency. Rather than posing it as a threat for what it's going to do, it poses a threat for what it doesn't do that believers expect it to: actually exercise judgement and thought.
Ed: hadn't realized that the guy we were taking seriously was the author of Sapiens. Gonna have to assume I was extending entirely too much charity in my assessment.
maol@awful.systems · 1 pts · 35d
Why would anyone be scared of an empty suit lol
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 2 pts · 35d
I doubt that this is how it was originally intended but think about all the boosters pointing at an empty suit while saying shit like "you're being laid off and this is your replacement," or "I know you've been lonely so I set you up on a blind date with this guy," or even "this is what's going to solve climate change." And then imagine looking around and seeing friends, family, the broader media, and government and business leaders listening to them while smiling and nodding.
BioMan@awful.systems · 9 pts · 40d
I believe that ML training is basically an evolutionary process. What does evolution produce most reliably?
Parasites.
You have created things that simulate the social signals of humans, getting us to care about things all out of proportion to what it actually does. It's like those beetles that live in ant colonies, hacking the smell and social signals of ants so they get babied while providing nothing.
lurker@awful.systems · 8 pts · 40d
Harari is an open transhumanist from when I did some research into him when I found him on this interview so this seems in character
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 5 pts · 38d
Framing this as a skill issue and not a power issue is a weird choice.
A telling choice perhaps.
nfultz@awful.systems · 11 pts · 35d
Two Drinks With. . . Steve Bannon’s ‘Transhumanist Editor’
copy pasting liberally here bc of the sign-up-wall
who in hell is Joe Allen.
I don't think brian johnson'll be sharing the longevity injection with bernie any time soon
who in hell is humans first. I guess they have a protest next week. The Tea Party to our Occupy? That's a depressing thought.
Titled his book after FFX bosses ????
They always stop at Kaczynski, never make it to Ellul.
interesting
acid trip, or wrong kind of anime
This guy needs a QAA bio, he's been baking.
schnoopy@awful.systems · 11 pts · 34d
Oh no. The horror. What a cruel fate.
Is this why noodles are scary?
What a weirdo, would prefer people hate AI survelliance states for the like facism, environmental damage, and devaluing of humanity personally not sure being afraid that computers steal your precious spinal energy leads us to coherent politics
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 7 pts · 35d
I have so many questions about this man and while I don't actually want answers I would rather get them by choice than wait until his corner of the cultic milieu comes bursting into general relevancy like the Kool-Aid Man.
samvines@awful.systems · 10 pts · 37d
Enjoyed Andrew Kelley's rebuttal of the bun blog about moving from zig to rust
Some pretty good sneers in there like
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 10 pts · 37d
The part about tasteless AI enthusiasts needing to be housetrained to not post slop on the forums because that's borderline antisocial was also cool.
hrrrngh@awful.systems · 5 pts · 36d
That was fantastic. I am so sick of the smarm that's all over the Bun in Rust project.
I made the mistake of looking at the orange site and they pinned his response as being an autistic defect. Love to see it. There was also a re-rebuttal from an effective altruist & AI safety blog with more snarky gotchas about the rewrite.
I literally cannot believe people are looking at this 1 million LoC unsafe{} Jenga tower and taking it seriously. It's just unacceptable to say anything negative about it at all.
samvines@awful.systems · 5 pts · 36d
I think it makes far more sense to pin the temporarily embarrassed millionaires over the orange site as psychopaths and cargo cultists.
hrrrngh@awful.systems · 9 pts · 36d
oops i forgot what I was even going to post in the first place.
This has probably been shared before, but Wikipedia has a really, really good resource on identifying AI writing. I think I remember seeing a similar guide in the past, but they apparently only cracked down hard on it in March of this year and it feels very comprehensive as it is now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signs_of_AI_writing
They have some examples, like this crashout (the second part is from them replying to themselves):
But really I feel awful about how cruel and accusatory people are with AI responses to other users. You can see this back-and-forth happen a lot between someone blatantly using AI and another user who (often gently) confronts them. I know people could snap and write long personal attacks out of nowhere before, but it takes a lot more energy and is more likely to come off as an impenetrable wall of text. Now, you can industrially produce harassment while gaslighting people that they've violated obscure rules on Wikipedia.
Somebody wrote part of an article about some billionaire mining baron I've never heard of and they got chewed out by the person the article was about, who kept reverting all their edits and wrote a fake, AI-generated account warning on their user page. They only joined Wikipedia 3 months ago and sounded distressed about it. It really sucks.
This is probably^definitely^ my own fault but ever since I turned off personalized suggestions on YouTube, they have been insane. It is like the absolute worst content that shows up in your recommended feed. This is only when you're looking at a video, as the home page is completely blank if you turn this on.
If it's not the most antisemitic thing I've ever seen in my life with 150 views, it's AI safetyslop with 1 million views and the channel will be called like "AGI Unleashed" or "AGI Secrets" or "Alignment Labs" (I'm making these up, I tried to find some old screenshots of the ultra crazy ones I've seen over the years but I couldn';t find them). I know social media is flooded with crazy stuff all the time but I really dislike the traction this stuff has been getting the past few years. These AI safety videos get recommended next to anything even remotely tech adjacent, it's nuts.
also: what happened here? https://x.com/EffectvAltruism
That used to be a parody account and now it's been creepily amalgamated into another EA twitter account. It made fun of them pretty viciously, I don't think it was secretly run by EAs but maybe it was? Did somebody break into it???
oh and one more fun addition.
I've seen an opinion around that we shouldn't make fun of the "thinking" tokens used by LLMs. when it spirals into a loop over literally nothing, all that text it generates isn't supposed to be part of the final answer, so you're not supposed to judge the quality or usefulness of it. it's because we don't understand how a model thinks (????) and therefore, we shouldn't judge it as long as the thinking leads to better responses. even if it's "The user said 'hello', a simple greeting. But wait⸻⸻what's the meaning of this? Let me consider [...]"
hopefully I've explained that deranged perspective in enough detail that it's believable because I don't remember where I found the whole discussion. it's just such a emperor-has-no-clothes kind of thing. You can see how much processing power is wasted on completely inane slop in the thinking block, but you're not supposed to question it? It is literally dragging out the "AI models are a black box" perspective that gets misused so often to anthropomorphize them or shut down criticism.
I did see some company tried to make their model think faster by stripping all the grammatical articles while thinking, and that's kind of funny to me
samvines@awful.systems · 8 pts · 36d
I studied transformer architecture models and have played around with them (unfortunately) enough to understand how they work. Under the surface the model produces what look like XML tags
<thinking> </thinking>to designate which tokens are thinking tokens and which are "normal" output. That is literally the only hard difference between the two output modes. The reinforcement learning might tune the thinking to be more like "what a human would expect to see in a thinking block" but it's still the same RNG madlib process generating everything underneath and any attempt to ascribe intelligence to this process should be met withlethal forceincredulous cynicism.Just like any claim that "we don't know how they work" - actually yes we know exactly how they work. What we can't comprehend is the exact numbers and weights inside the massive pile of probabilistic algebra being processed to generate your slop. If I flip 5 coins in a row and the observer's belief is anything other than "you just got very lucky" most people would call them crazy rather than join the cult and worship the coin god...
BioMan@awful.systems · 9 pts · 35d
God I remember having to explain to dozens of people that 'reasoning' models just exude a lot of text 'talking to themselves' and then summarize it. They were all just "It CANT be that silly" and many outright would not believe me, because that was not 'reasoning'
scruiser@awful.systems · 4 pts · 34d
Sometimes they also glue a bunch of "tools" to help the model reason. The model can call by extruding tokens with the right syntax and then get back information from the "tool" shoved in its context! That way, the model can at least handle stuff like basic arithmetic correctly! Except only sometimes, because the models frequently screw up calling the tools correctly or skip using the tool or any number of other completely dumb mistakes. Oh, and if the tool connects the model to the internet (or any insecure source of text) in any way, shape, or form, congratulations, you've now got a massive security vulnerability!
fullsquare@awful.systems · 3 pts · 36d
If you delete account on twitter it doesn't stay marked as deleted, anyone can register that name later. But this would have had to happen before 2015, if they were EA mockers after that then some kind of takeover seems more likely (who knows how many people posted from there, maybe one of them changed sides for whatever reason and locked out others)
also, "stealth pandemics" lol try to say nanobot plague without saying nanobot plague
BioMan@awful.systems · 9 pts · 37d
From the inimitable writers of AI2027, we now have...
AI2040!
https://ai-2040.com/
Typical nonsense. Among other things they are talking 6fold increase in GDP by 2032 in their scenario, MOSTLY driven by neural networks generating text (and one extra currrent GDP driven by robots) and median personal income being 1 million dollars (inflation adjusted) by 2035.
I am particularly amused that they have all the politicking happening in the next presidential administration rather than this year so they can pretend that all their governmental fantasies will happen because someone sane will naturally come to the conclusions they would.
BioMan@awful.systems · 13 pts · 36d
Oh man, the "Post ASI" epilogue is a trip. Here's what happens in 2040:
Good god, these people have no idea what the universe is or what they even are, do they?
Also, holy capitalist realism Batman
scruiser@awful.systems · 9 pts · 36d
In between this, their cap-and-trade plan for AI regulation (which is a very market-centered attempt at regulation), their insistent terminology of "citizens dividend" (because even UBI is apparently too left wing for them, much less scary communist words like collective ownership), and some other word choices... it is like they are so capitalists brain rotted that even imagining non-capitalist systems is harder for them than believing in the coming AGI God.
sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems · 8 pts · 36d
I lost all my space lottery chances and ended up buying a cheap galaxy off of e-bay but when I finally woke up after a billion years of cryo-sleep it turns out that that the AI probe sent to my section of space made a space-treaty with the local aliens so now I have to turn around and fly home but by the time I get back to earth the sun will be halfway on it's way to exploding which is kind of a bummer.
sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems · 9 pts · 36d
Good news once I got back to earth e-bay still exists and my Nintendo stocks had appreciated enough to buy another distant galaxy! However three billion years of cyro-sleep has warped my personality so now I will rule my galaxy with an iron fist as a space queen. Space law only says:
So I shall not rule through torture or slavery, but through fear and only giving my enemies property rights to individual cells on my prison planet!
"Oh no I feel so judged" I say as I use my property rights to tell those other losers not to send radio-waves or subspace comms into my galaxy.
(Wait this is supposed to be the good ending?)
o7___o7@awful.systems · 9 pts · 36d
I think this accidentally reinvented mormonism lol
BioMan@awful.systems · 3 pts · 35d
It is not a coincidence that there is a major overrepresentation of Mormons among the transhumanist singulatarians.
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 2 pts · 33d
Wait not like that.
You'd think that a group of people this long-winded and pedantic would understand that the most seemingly simple rules are the squirreliest in practice
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 7 pts · 36d
Reminder that rationalists have developed a completely mysticalised conception of brain uploading that's very functionally similar with old timey souls, mostly so they don't need to deal with the SOMA problem of every instance of uploaded consciousness being a completely separate self-actualised entity.
Like how exactly is a digital impression of my personality being shipped to alpha centauri to inspect my holdings affect my personal experience? How is it supposed to be interchangeable with using some other made up technology that takes me there in person?
See, it works like this, no one knows what consciousness is, but it's probably a mathematical object, and if your current conscious self is the same as the conscious self that will be inhabiting your body next friday, and also if a supreme being wants to torture you after you are dead....
o7___o7@awful.systems · 7 pts · 36d
But redistribution is unrealistic?!
istewart@awful.systems · 5 pts · 36d
this is what overpriced housing does to an mf
scruiser@awful.systems · 7 pts · 37d
My favorite part was the section where they worked out the logistics of China hiding a data center inside of a mountain.
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 11 pts · 37d
I like how Yud's rogue data center air raid task force is gradually becoming another weird rationalist accepted truth.
scruiser@awful.systems · 6 pts · 36d
Yeah, they've internalized their own fiction and fantasies so heavily they forget when they are talking about something they made up and not something real. And in turn, they forget to explain their terms for normies and ridicule commenters that can't keep up with their lore.
Like in the comments and discussion for AI: 2040 on lesswrong, in response to a heavily downvoted comment, they treated "neuralese" like an obviously real thing just around the corner that will solve chain of thought. Or assuming continual learning is obviously just one or two inventions away and not a fundamentally missing feature of LLMs that no one has a good solution to.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 5 pts · 37d
Considering that they think that chatbots are as important as nukes, there is a precedent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/816_Nuclear_Military_Plant
lurker@awful.systems · 7 pts · 37d
Oh damn, they originally said it was gonna be called AI 2030, so they pushed it back a bit
It’s not a rehash of AI 2027 with moved-back timelines like I thought it would be, instead its what they believe should happen in regards to AI development
And in the first footnote:
According to them, preliminary analysis of the data as of July 2026 says that rate of progress is 75% of AI 2027. This says Daniel K only believes in a 25% chance of AGI by the end of 2027, their model also hasn’t changed so their medians are still shown as beyond 2027. Footnote 11 also flat-out says they have no idea how much things will keep progressing
I’m not gonna be able to go through the whole thing because busy today, but those are my observations based off a quick glance
scruiser@awful.systems · 7 pts · 37d
They aren't even trying to hide the fact that their predictions have already failed but instead claiming victory.
lurker@awful.systems · 5 pts · 37d
Should’ve left in the full footnote:
So yeah you’re bang on the money. Funny how they went on a press tour hyping up Kokotajlo as a forecaster and claiming that dismissing AI 2027 as hype was a “grave mistake” to “yeah we did not expect for it to follow our predictions” and still being slower than what they predicted
BioMan@awful.systems · 6 pts · 36d
So they really do live in a fictional world, confirmed.
lurker@awful.systems · 3 pts · 37d
Piggybacking off myself to say that the way they wrote the update on their 2025 review is weird. I’m assuming that they mean 2025 was 65% pace but 2026 crept up to 75%, but the way they wrote it makes me think that they actually meant to say “we originally thought 2025 was 65%, but new data shows it was actually 75%” which would be odd, I’m still assuming the former since it makes more sense to me (they also drop it with zero elaboration like, what metric increased with this new data since this was an overall % of pace? not to mention the real percentage was 58-66% based off their means and medians so it would actually look like 58-76% pace)
I mean no matter which way you spin it we’re still going slower than AI 2027, so hooray
(turned this into a second comment so they first one wouldn’t be a wall of text)
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 7 pts · 37d
2040, wasn't that Kurzweils eventual prediction?
cstross@wandering.shop · 9 pts · 37d
@Soyweiser Last timer I looked (probably around 2001) I seem to recall Kurzweil was saying AGI and brain uploading by 2025. He's basically selling Christian evangelical premillennialism, minus the Baby Jeezus.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 5 pts · 36d
Looked on wikipedia, and there they said 2045, so he prob is just saying whatever, nobody (important) will judge him for all the bad predictions after all.
Just like the 2027/2040 people
scruiser@awful.systems · 7 pts · 36d
The benefit of putting your predictions 15-30 years in the future is that people forget them by the time the deadline comes around and you can pivot more easily and also claim credit for the few successful predictions while all your failures are forgotten. The AI: 2027 could learn from Kurzweils' example, except apparently you can just keep claiming credit for being right even when your wrong prediction is only a few years old!
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 6 pts · 37d
There's a corresponding siskind post also called something something plan A, I skimmed until the part where the US and China take de facto control of chip infrasrtucture and distribution (saying "nationalise" is haram for free market types), basically imagine having to write a letter to the government to formally justify upgrading your computer, and that's all the AI fanfiction I can tolerate without ruining my breakfast.
Also clanker crankers appropriating the term 'Golden Path' from Dune is just distasteful.
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 36d
Not even Haskell is safe from the endless pushing of AI slop. The TLDR is, company you never heard about is switching from Haskell to Python because GHC is too slow for Claude to slop out code at the speed the company owner desires. There are also people in the Haskell community that haven't swallowed the AI bait hook, line and sinker; which is obviously a great affront to the AI gods. Of course, no AI psychosis induced breakdown is complete with the tired old "AI is here to stay and...", can't have people actually think on their own now can we.
Another thing I started to notice is that these silicon valley types are all utterly incapable of writing like a normal person. Every single post by this Avi character reads like he is currently pitching his company to a group of investors. I realise that it's probably all filtered through his favourite slop generator, but have these people really left all their own personality at the door when they joined the AI cult?
istewart@awful.systems · 8 pts · 36d
More power to metaml in that thread, who pushed back on the slop-enthusiast's braggadocio and then stepped away when it became clear dude was going to bulldoze over any pushback (as such folk are wont to do). As the other poster hasufell put it:
I suspect a lot of these businesses that are seeking an arbitrage between AI API tokens and end-user frustration are going to either implode or quietly fade by the end of the decade. I just hope I can stay out of the blast radius.
schnoopy@awful.systems · 9 pts · 37d
Some cool people anaylised the precise reasons slop all reads the same https://arxiv.org/pdf/2604.03136
Findings are that llms emit stories that are linear, unsubtle, and textureless.
Also that if you graph it, it looks like a poo.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 6 pts · 37d
Or, if you are brave enough...
schnoopy@awful.systems · 5 pts · 37d
don't get it
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 36d
It is a joke about how they also look a bit like dildos (and spaceships). A play on 'everything is a dildo if you are brave enough' with a link to a place you didn't expect.
Im using two forms of humor, both humor of repetition of a familiar funny phrase (like asterix and obelix do a lot), and the joke of something being unexpected, like not linking to a dildo, vut spaceships.
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schnoopy@awful.systems · 2 pts · 35d
I'd like one more sample. Explain my life
lurker@awful.systems · 9 pts · 39d
so its Bad bad now
The US Treasury has also admitted that the AI bubble poses systemic risks
get ready for it to get bloody
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 11 pts · 39d
I want to piggyback off this to talk about the inevitable Uber comparisons, because not only is the mismatch between investment and returns several orders of magnitude greater, but there's also a difference in kind. Uber's model was to undercut the taxi industry and establish a dependence within their niche before increasing revenues. It's the classic enshitttification cycle. But the AI plan, at least as advertised, isn't to undercut a specific industry as much as it is to undercut literally the entire white-collar labor force. There are several problems with this, starting with the fact that the technology isn't actually able to replace the target in the way it would need to. More significantly, however, is that labor doesn't work like taxis. If labor can't get work it shuts down the entire economy because they lose their income and can't actually consume any of the things the market offers. Also labor tends to get mad and break out the pitchforks and molotovs if things get too bad, and "restructuring the economy to no longer provide you the means to sustain your family" seems like the kind of situation that definitionally makes things too bad. In either event the point is that even if this tech is somehow as revolutionary as advertised then there's not really any winning for the company.
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 8 pts · 39d
fullsquare@awful.systems · 8 pts · 38d
TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems · 8 pts · 39d
What will EA (and, more specifically, Lighthaven) do with all the money they expect to receive once the Anthropic IPO mints a bunch of hundred-millionaires? I'm not granting all of the article's premises, but the interviews with rationalists might be of interest.
istewart@awful.systems · 11 pts · 39d
cruise ship, duh
brave new frontiers in mass food poisoning to be explored
CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 10 pts · 39d
The author characterizes EA as being more "businesslike and professional" than LW, then spends the article talking about how their plans all hinge on getting a rich patron.
The image of the beautiful gardens floored with Astroturf is sad.
sus@programming.dev · 8 pts · 36d
Someone made a pretty good, albeit very cautiously, almost concern-trollisly written blog post about recent internet drama Odin v. Wikipedia. Surprise: the conclusion is that Odin is fashTech. (warning, the blog appears to be LLM-designed. I do not believe the actual text is LLM-written but you can never be sure with that kind of writing style)
https://katamari64.se/posts/2026/odin-wikipedia/
jonasty@awful.systems · 7 pts · 36d
I have been looking into the mentioned clique for some time now and I share the concerns of the author. It does not take a lot of digging to learn that, for them, an interest in low level performance goes hand in with a far right worldview. Apparently it is where you end up if you are an "indepenent thinker". Two examples:
anise@awful.systems · 10 pts · 35d
evola, peterson, rothbard and moldbug on the reading list sure is something
also who the fuck is "bronze age pervert"
e: right, life was slightly better before I looked that up
fullsquare@awful.systems · 7 pts · 35d
welcome to the abyss, it sucks here
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 4 pts · 33d
I'm sorry you had to find out
this wayistewart@awful.systems · 5 pts · 35d
...so what's open-source software, then?
nfultz@awful.systems · 5 pts · 35d
I like that there's a Gamache detective novel with that exact title and smile a little imagining some freshman edge lord accidentally buying it instead of Murray.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 5 pts · 35d
Wow that readinglist has an interesting fantasy series, HP gateway drug to fascism confirmed.
(It also is just a boring list)
istewart@awful.systems · 6 pts · 36d
Oof, yeah. I kinda like the side-notes, but the instances where multiple embedded tweets were side-by-side AND simultaneously interspersed with side-notes were so visually confusing that I quit skimming the article.
lurker@awful.systems · 7 pts · 35d
Happy Two Years, everyone!!! one month late, but we’ve officially made it over halfway through 2026 and the only “plague” has been people gaslighting everyone into believing hantavirus would be the next covid
sc_griffith@awful.systems · 7 pts · 39d
New Odium Symposium episode. We talk about /r/fuckingfascists, a fascist domination roleplay subreddit intended for good liberals, which instead ended up getting eaten alive by nazis.
https://www.patreon.com/OdiumSymposium/posts/20-death-of-162994026
lurker@awful.systems · 6 pts · 33d
So I managed to find some more of the AI 2027 author’s opinions on their predictions after a bit of poking around, I’ll let this snippet speak for itself
sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems · 6 pts · 33d
"Don't worry guys it's only the present that we failed to predict, not the future!"
BioMan@awful.systems · 3 pts · 33d
They are claiming that company value is the metric? holy crap
scruiser@awful.systems · 3 pts · 33d
That and treating ARR as a reliable indicator of revenue. Which isn't as bad as the valuations, but is still pretty bad. Ed Zitron has explained all the ways they game ARR, and, more importantly, it doesn't matter how much your revenue grows if you are spending 2 dollars for every dollar you make (or spending 20 dollars for every dollar they make, as seems to be the case with their subscription plans).
Maybe the boosters will shut-up once OpenAI and Anthropic finally run out of venture capital to burn on subsidizing subscriptions, but actually, judging by the way the AI 2027 authors are still claiming credit for being right, they will probably just look for someone else to blame for the high costs.
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 6 pts · 38d
Another "AI fucked compsci grads" post has hit my eyeballs - this time, it got recommended to me by LinkedIn's algorithm) (because I'm still on that site for some fucking reason):
::: spoiler Full Text study philosophy, not computer science
data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York shows that philosophy students have a lower unemployment rate (about 5.1%) than computer science students (7%)
why?
unique human judgment, logic, and ethical reasoning are becoming premium assets, and better tech means companies increasingly DON'T need to ask "can we build this?", and increasingly DO need to ask "should we build this, and what are the consequences?"
If there has ever been a time to build those soft, truly human, skills, it is now.
p.s. what do you think is the BEST skill to have right now - my thoughts are in the comments
:::
This one's attributing the decline to "unique human judgment, logic, and ethical reasoning becoming premium assets", and her graph comes from The Economist's Instagram page AFAICT. That one of the Economist's sources is Anthropic is giving me some hope this is bullshit, but its not much.
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 7 pts · 37d
Nothing in my interactions with humanities types indicates they would be in a better position to handle either the educational slopnami or a slopped out job market.
As far as educational systems go, "human judgment, logic, and ethical reasoning" were always left to natural selection instead of being actively pursued. Taking a philosophy course on the history of logic and ethics isn't the same as having any.
istewart@awful.systems · 4 pts · 37d
Founder @ Egoist Machines, Inc.
Or is that something more quirky, "Eqoist?" Sorry, if you're making it that easy to misread while I'm having my morning caffeine, I'm not going to do you any favors
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 3 pts · 37d
On one hand, Anthropic sourcing suggests that this is probably at least partially nonsense. On the other hand, though, if there's any accuracy at all I'm going to spend the rest of my life infuriated that I went down the technical degree route and actively avoided a liberal arts education in order to improve my career outlook and then this happened.
Like, I don't think they were trying to mislead but I feel like every guidance counselor for kids ought to have a plaque in their office saying "please note that the world is complicated, ever-changing, and scary and I might actually have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about".