Seriously tf did they expect?

Ah. I had thought you were a 1) Mainer that 2) forgot the first thing about intersection 3) was to #landback to the Cree. The first thing as anarchist that we should be doing is anti-electoralizing populists in Maine and beyond. Maine doesn't need Senators, it needs a revolution. If Platner really cared for Maine, he should be landbacking and reperating the people he affected by both on his tours & his merc deaths. But since we both know this is about money, Dems&Reps won't assist. Maine’ Senate seat needs to come from the bottom. A homeless Cree would be poetically just.

My reaction is justified if you did study anarchist principles. I only apologize for assuming you had anything to do with this FPtP campaign. It’s fine to want intersect for unjust slander. But Platner isn't an anarchist whatsoever. I admit my assumptions were wrong.

Truce?

He had a nazi tattoo.

You do not get to be so naïve, that is called wilful ignorance.

If he changed, he would have removed it out of his own volition. He knew it was a nazi tattoo, he liked it, and only got a coverup after national outrage. You chose to support a nazi because you chose to be ignorant.

There is absolutely no excuse, and you have to accept that you weren't tricked to support a nazi, you chose to support one.

He was a goddamn blackwater mercenary with a nazi tattoo. I have absolutely no idea who anyone can be so stupid as to support him. This is MAGA levels of stupidity.

Good, block me, I have no patience for nazi supporters and apologists.

Nobody is saying that they do... What they are saying is that one does not simply fuck a Nazi and expect good results. Like what the fuck else is there to be expected? You date a Nazi, you're it exactly going to have a great time unless you're also a Nazi I guess, but even then I doubt women are much respected in those groups.

Did she know he was a Nazi?

are we in "you need to be more open minded and allow for a nazi merc"

so, Nazis are only bad then conservatives have them?

fucking nazi supporters, blue MAGA is as stupid and spineless as MAGA

You don't get to gaslight me, the DNC was rallying behind him despite him being a mercenary with nazi tattoos. They were making excuses. And suddenly they are all surprised when it turns out he was a bad guy (to a white woman, killing brown people for money was OK)

I don't live in Maine to be able to vanguard them an intersecting class. I am just aware their political literacy needs major improvements.

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Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ro Khanna, Ruben Gallego, Ed Markey...

They were all cool with him being a Blackwater mercenary with Nazi tattoos. Now they have to backtrack because Nazis are cool, just as long as they don't hurt a white woman. Because brown people's lives are worth nothing compared to a white woman's tears.

That is wilful ignorance.

It’s actually relevant because platner shows that he can and does Change and that platner is willing to fix the mistakes he’s made.

Jesus Christ, do y'all have an actual script you all read from? Every. Single. Time. "It's not a Nazi symbol" transforms into "Yes, it's a Nazi symbol, but that's actually fine because blah blah blah."

Stop moving the goalposts. You said you doubted that it was a Nazi symbol at all. Now, you're acting like it's a given that it's a Nazi symbol but that it doesn't matter. So then, why did you lie? Why did you try to deny an obvious fact if that fact doesn't matter?

This is, of course, ignoring the fact that your talking points are out of date. Platner raped someone and lied about it. So no, he did not "prove he's capable of change." The only thing that was proven is either how gullible you are, or how willing you are to excuse red flags and horrible behavior from politicians the moment they say, "I'm sorry."

Good chunk of Lemmy users want people to wallow in shame over sins. Like we are never get over the fact that we might have returned a video back to block buster.

I fucking hate this liberal bullshit so much. "Returning a video to Blockbuster?" We're talking about a rapist killer-for-hire with a Nazi tattoo. It's absolutely disgusting for you to minimize that with that comparison, and if you're trying to present yourself as even remotely progressive while saying shit like that, it's doubly disgusting.

Newsflash, dipshit! He just dropped out of the race because it came out that he's a rapist! This whole mentality that you're describing was just clearly and unambiguously proven wrong. And I'm not trying to rub your face in it, because anybody can make a mistake, but if you're still trying to double down and defend this rapist Nazi mercenary, then I'm sorry, but you clearly need your face rubbed into your mistake.

I appreciate the UK for making all that Glastonbury drama, that is how I heard about him

among all zero reason for voting for a nazi, this one is by far the dumbest

I really hope this is a joke, otherwise this is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. Like dumber than MAGA voters.

Then are you American, or the colonized

Ultimately, like many Americans, I belong to both groups. "American" and "Chinese" work a little bit differently as monikers due to structural differences in both imperial projects. The Chinese imperial project is ancient and its cultural impact is more broadly understood by the people who live within the boundaries of the current People's Republic of China (though per my understanding this exact nature of this cultural impact is felt and understood a little less directly by the people with privilege within the system such as the Jianghuai and the Shandong). Meanwhile "American" is a little more wibbly wobbly in its nature. There are times that "American" means "A profiteer of Americanism" and others that it means "An advocate of Pan-Americanism" which are both directly opposed ideologies, one being nationalistic in nature and the other being diasporadic in nature. So the only truly unifying "American" trait that is held across both left and right side of the aisle about what "American" even means is someone in the American continents whose ethnic and cultural background is so blended and so remixed that at any given moment they may not have any deeply rooted grounding in what the cultural origins of something they're doing is. From this perspective I am having an American experience, and am thereby American.

However I also belong to a culture of people, the Appalachians, whose cultural heritage is rooted a little bit more deeply than most, and is currently undergoing a process of elimination by the dominant culture of America, Americanism, which is rooted much more directly in western Anglo-European ideals, norms, and standards. The roots of our culture are traceable back about 600 years when the Cherokee people, pushed from their native homelands in the Piedmont by Spanish, French, and English settlers, re-perpetrated the violence they were experiencing against the Osage who had lived in the Appalachian mountain range for ~6000 years. Even then, the Cherokee encountered escaped enslaved Africans (marooners) from the peninsula of Florida who spoke a pidgin language based on a mixture of Bantu, Appalachee (more on them later), and Spanish. From the very start, our culture's roots are the preservation of cultures who were being actively eliminated by neighbors and invading forces from abroad seeking to enrich themselves through extraction economies. As the centuries have gone on, other diasporas have entered the mix of this region, notably Germans who found them persecuted in the coastal tidewaters of the early USA following the American War of Independence, eastern Europeans (then called ::: spoiler course language Pollocks ::: in census data, but were often of various Eastern European ethnicities, including Ukrainian, Jewish, and Romani), Irish, and Jewish (here counted separately due to different diasporadic pressures than the initial population who arrived from Poland because persecution experienced by the Russian Empire in the 1770s was VERY different from the same empire in the 1880s) (more on this, and me personally, later). These cultures mixed together, brought their own tales of escaping genocide, and created something within the American Empire that isn't quite like anything else anywhere on earth, though at the same time, very analogous to other hill cultures throughout the world such as Gorani, Kurds, Gorals, Jumma, Khmer Loeu, Laotians, Merina, Montagnard, northeast Subcontinental Indian tribes, Pahari, Pamiris, Pogorzans, Rusyns, and Vlachs. The American Empire doesn't see value in this culture though. What it sees is the value of the Bituminous Coal, Anthracite, Uranium, and rare earth minerals that sit beneath our feet. From this perspective, I am colonized.

I disassociate from their label, esp. because they are colonists

I, too, dislike the term "American" because I much prefer to identify myself as Appalachian. However, I am also aware that I do not get to opt out of the culture I was born into. I have traveled all across this so called nation, and I have seen the many things that unite us and did participate in the monoculture that has been defined for us through mass media before I was old enough to understand that was what was being done to me. I watch baseball because I enjoy it. I'll probably watch the next superbowl so I can catch the halftime show and discuss what messages my coworkers are missing in the iconography the performer put on screen the next day. These are things I am not necessarily proud of in myself, but things I find value in when organizing my neighbors because I'm not a scold telling them they're wrong to like these things, but instead providing new directions for their frustrations that their cities aren't safe because of Flock cameras and ICE agents. These are American things, and to deny this about myself would be delusional and counterproductive both when having discussions about the future of Appalachia and the possibility of a Post-American society.

At the same time, I am also aware of the harm of the homogenization of the American monoculture. I have participated in Appalachian dance and music since I was 5. This is something I continue to do. I play the bass, and I flatfoot. These are things that are important for me to do because they're things that remind me that it is possible to have your own culture, to be a member of a community, and even to have shared cultural experiences that cross imaginary boundaries on maps with other people without those shared experiences being universal. I have become increasingly interested of late in the value of these things as counterprogramming within and without Appalachia as a form of counterprogramming to the American monoculture. The three musical genres that I think we do differently from anywhere else in the country, and that we have opportunities to share out into the world as an expression of an alternative future to Americanism and the American monoculture are Bluegrass, Egg Punk, and Dungeon Synth. I'm sure there are others, but these just seem to me to be the things we're doing a little bit differently from anyone else that other people outside our region have the most interest in. We can attach messaging about what harms us to these genres of music that helps us to resist our demise, and to build international solidarity. Here's examples of all three from here:

• https://thelocalhoneys.bandcamp.com/track/cigarette-trees
• https://powerpantsrock.bandcamp.com/track/be-the-change
• https://foglord.bandcamp.com/track/whispers-in-the-holler-2

What have they decided to called the land they are reclaiming?

The Cherokee called North America "Turtle Island" long before European settlers arrived on it. However, they have no name for a Pan-Turtle-Islander experience, especially because this leaves out South America as they have no name for that continent. So they call the people of these two continents "American" when they are referring to Pan-Americanism and citizens of the United States having an American experience American when they are referring to Americanism.

Glad to find a comrade here who isn’t a dengist

Fuck every hierarchy

Reflect if you’re truly American, or Cherokee

I am ABSOLUTELY not Cherokee. To call myself as such would be deeply disrespectful to my neighbors and the specific experiences they have within the American Empire. As a tangential metaphor, I am white. The specific kind of white I am is a mixture of Irish, Ukrainian, and Jewish. If I started calling myself Cherokee that would be like if I suddenly started calling myself Armenian. I am not of that culture, I do not have roots into that culture, none of my stories, songs, or recipes come from that culture. It would be cultural appropriation, and an example of white privilege. I exist with that privilege and do not get to opt out of it. It happens before an interaction even begins because it can be seen in the color of my skin when a police officer pulls me over (or even simply opts not to because of that privilege). Similarly, I do not get to opt out of some of the intrinsic benefits of being American I have received, such as an early life spent traveling Canada without a passport because a president negotiated a trade agreement that allowed me to do so by the coincidence of me being born in a building where doctors used to torture Cherokee children. So even if I don't like that I'm American or the American Empire, that doesn't change the fact that I am American and have received intrinsic benefits from this. The fact that I dislike these things means that I must work to ensure reparations are paid, and that when they are made, the land that must be returned is returned still as in tact as is possible from what is left of it. I can drive 1 hour from my house and find a mountain that is completely gone now. We can never return that mountain to its people, nor the cairns that represented ancestors who were alive as recently the 1970s, nor the paper birch that represented ancestors who were alive as recently as the 1990s. But we can maybe save the next mountain if we act in solidarity with each other to bring about a permanent end to all surface mining.

we have gotten along extremely well in the past
Wait where and when?

We've interacted in a few threads. I've enjoyed our interactions

conservative or a liberal rather than what i am: an impoverished anarchist who doesn’t think electoralism can save us, only buy us time to organize a robust insurgency movement
What part of this is «American»? I am all for robust insurgency anti electoralist action, but what even is «American» about that?

Nothing. Which is the point I've been making all along. "American" is not a monolith despite the American Empire's attempt to make it so. And I still don't know what anyone is talking about that "All Americans admitted they were terrorists"