Finally! I really wanted to like Mint, but on multi-monitor setups with different scaling per monitor X11 was really struggling and eating up like 30-40% of my CPU.
Yeah, I had to switch to Fedora because my three monitors with two different scaling factors and three different aspect ratios never played nice with Mint. I recognize that this was a bit excessive, but I'm still glad this is going to be fixed.
I have a very similar setup, and ended up on Fedora as well. I'll give Mint another go soon though, I still really like the simplicity of Debian's package management and the design decisions by the Mint team.
I started up Steam VR with my Vive a week ago, for the first time since installing Mint. Spent forever trying to get it to work. Eventually got it to connect sometimes when I start Mint in “software rendering” mode. I’m not linux literate enough to know what that means, but man do I see some fun new ways the OS breaks. Usually right after I turn off my headset, so it’s OK.
Software rendering is slower than hardware rendering, this is certainly not a Linux exclusive.
You’re essentially telling it “Hey! I have no graphical processor or that my graphical processor is so underpowered that I need my CPU to do the rendering at an attempt to speed things up.”
Suggest you sort out your GPU and or GPU drivers because you should not be using software rendering.
I think in this specific context software rendering actually means that SteamVR is having to coordinate with the window manger or whatever to draw the game to the headset's screens rather than rendering directly to them
SteamVR as of today cannot do desktop capturing on Wayland, as opposed to X11
SteamVR on Wayland environments requires a support for DRM leasing, which to my knowledge is supported by Plasma only (my knowledge here may be out of date though)
First time I fired up my Index on Linux, I was on a fresh install of Zorin. The SteamVR app said it required a Plasma Wayland desktop session. Thankfully, it linked to a guide an moments later I understood a little bit more about the ease of Linux customization.
Since Mint tends to advertise itself as being gaming friendly, or at least people say it is, it would be nice to see them add that desktop to Mint.
I recently loaded T2-Linux Mint Cinnamon onto a 2017 Macbook Pro and honestly it's a really rad distro. I'd never used it before, but now I think I may give it to my dad to replace is shitty windows install that always gives him grief.
I'd call that plain engineering; you've separated out the independent logic from the point where it actually touches the system. That's how stuff should be built and operate.
Does this mean I can use HDR for games now? Its been the one thing from Windows I miss. I know there are ways to make it work or other distros but I don't want to deal with all that.
Ideally, nothing should change for you. The Linux Mint team tends to be conservative and responsible in their software choices. If they think Wayland is ready for public use, it probably is.
But if something breaks, you can always go back to X.
If you use anything that depends on screen sharing or windows being able to talk to each other like a password manager that's non-compliant, you might need to upgrade or change those applications. Otherwise, it should work better than X11, and be more secure.
Because X11 is mostly dead and the guy who's is trying to keep it alive has a questionable understanding of the programming language it is written in, to the point where he got ejected from the original X11 project for constantly and pointlessly breaking stuff. See also https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/56
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ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca · 52 pts · 30d
Finally! I really wanted to like Mint, but on multi-monitor setups with different scaling per monitor X11 was really struggling and eating up like 30-40% of my CPU.
northendtrooper@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 30d
Oh I didn't know Wayland supported multi monitor. This makes me happy to see Mint finally getting it.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 30d
This might explain some of the weirdness I’ve seen on Mint.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 29d
Yeah, I had to switch to Fedora because my three monitors with two different scaling factors and three different aspect ratios never played nice with Mint. I recognize that this was a bit excessive, but I'm still glad this is going to be fixed.
ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 29d
I have a very similar setup, and ended up on Fedora as well. I'll give Mint another go soon though, I still really like the simplicity of Debian's package management and the design decisions by the Mint team.
mereo@piefed.ca · 0 pts · 30d
And it doesn't support different refresh rates. The refresh rates needs to be the minimum that the monitor supports.
knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de · 33 pts · 30d
Yay!
Why would i want wayland?
YaBoyMax@programming.dev · 53 pts · 30d
Better security, better fractional scaling, and proper support for mixed refresh rates and VRR, to name some of the bigger reasons.
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 30d
Steam VR
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 30d
I started up Steam VR with my Vive a week ago, for the first time since installing Mint. Spent forever trying to get it to work. Eventually got it to connect sometimes when I start Mint in “software rendering” mode. I’m not linux literate enough to know what that means, but man do I see some fun new ways the OS breaks. Usually right after I turn off my headset, so it’s OK.
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 30d
Try this, under the Ubuntu section: https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/18A4-1E10-8A94-3DDA
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 30d
Software rendering is slower than hardware rendering, this is certainly not a Linux exclusive.
You’re essentially telling it “Hey! I have no graphical processor or that my graphical processor is so underpowered that I need my CPU to do the rendering at an attempt to speed things up.”
Suggest you sort out your GPU and or GPU drivers because you should not be using software rendering.
waldfee@feddit.org · 3 pts · 30d
I think in this specific context software rendering actually means that SteamVR is having to coordinate with the window manger or whatever to draw the game to the headset's screens rather than rendering directly to them
ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 30d
SteamVR as of today cannot do desktop capturing on Wayland, as opposed to X11
SteamVR on Wayland environments requires a support for DRM leasing, which to my knowledge is supported by Plasma only (my knowledge here may be out of date though)
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 30d
First time I fired up my Index on Linux, I was on a fresh install of Zorin. The SteamVR app said it required a Plasma Wayland desktop session. Thankfully, it linked to a guide an moments later I understood a little bit more about the ease of Linux customization.
Since Mint tends to advertise itself as being gaming friendly, or at least people say it is, it would be nice to see them add that desktop to Mint.
teawrecks@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 30d
It's supported.
friend_of_satan@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 30d
I recently loaded T2-Linux Mint Cinnamon onto a 2017 Macbook Pro and honestly it's a really rad distro. I'd never used it before, but now I think I may give it to my dad to replace is shitty windows install that always gives him grief.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 30d
The_Decryptor@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 29d
I'd call that plain engineering; you've separated out the independent logic from the point where it actually touches the system. That's how stuff should be built and operate.
somegeek@programming.dev · 4 pts · 29d
What kinds of things do you guys automate?
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 29d
Cardboardboxo@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 30d
Does this mean I can use HDR for games now? Its been the one thing from Windows I miss. I know there are ways to make it work or other distros but I don't want to deal with all that.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 29d
Can someone please explain what a lambda user like myself will experience, or might experience?
I'm on Mint Cinnamon, I have no clue about windows managers etc.
emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 29d
Ideally, nothing should change for you. The Linux Mint team tends to be conservative and responsible in their software choices. If they think Wayland is ready for public use, it probably is.
But if something breaks, you can always go back to X.
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 29d
If you use anything that depends on screen sharing or windows being able to talk to each other like a password manager that's non-compliant, you might need to upgrade or change those applications. Otherwise, it should work better than X11, and be more secure.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · -7 pts · 29d
Why does anyone care tho?
fruitcantfly@programming.dev · 10 pts · 29d
Because X11 is mostly dead and the guy who's is trying to keep it alive has a questionable understanding of the programming language it is written in, to the point where he got ejected from the original X11 project for constantly and pointlessly breaking stuff. See also https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/pull/56
vanillama@programming.dev · 3 pts · 29d
That's truly something lmao
Auth@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 29d
x11 feels like shit compared to wayland