Vance alleges Israeli influence campaigns ‘manipulating’ American opinion on Iran war ‘very discreet, extremely well-funded campaign’ by Israeli actors who want to see the war go 'indefinitely'
https://jewishinsider.com/2026/07/vance-alleges-israeli-influence-campaigns-manipulating-american-public-opinion/
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flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz · 238 pts · 34d
If only this guy was a member of the US government, he could have done something
Not_mikey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 33d
To be fair, the vice president has no power, unless Iran follows through in their promise...
mangobanana@discuss.online · 17 pts · 33d
Then why the hell do we keep hearing from him every 2 minutes. I would be so happy never to see his face again
NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 33d
I think because Trump is old and sick and could die any second so Republicans want someone recognizable ready to take charge of the cruelty and grift when he dies.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
If he was wearing a tie, I'd tell him to loosen it.
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 33d
Dick Cheyney changed that forever. Vice presidents very much do have power. He ran the presidency for the most part, and gave VPs real power, rather than symbolic value.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 32d
He has the power to start the 25th amendment process. And don't forget the tiebreaker vote in the Senate.
inari@piefed.zip · 106 pts · 34d
If this war results in the divorce between the US and Israel, that'll be the second greatest thing to come out of it, the first thing being the decarbonization speedup
aquovie@lemmy.cafe · 16 pts · 34d
There are a lot of dubious "gains", almost all pyrrhic and smelling vaguely of social darwinism.
I'm looking forward to US customary units finally dying off because no one is going to put up with fahrenheit-pounds per square toenail anymore.
In the coming Cold War, I wonder if Europe is ready to emulate the non-aligned movement of India? How long will it take the US to admit it has a failed economy(+) like the USSR?
(+) Not as stupid as "capitalism bad, commies good" - but we need capitalism with real antitrust action, consumer protection, pro-union laws, and a fully funded social safety net. The healthiest option is a muddy gray, not black and white.
Tango@piefed.ca · 16 pts · 34d
Not gonna lie: I have no idea what you're talking about.
aquovie@lemmy.cafe · 9 pts · 34d
It was admittedly 3 half-thoughts tied into one post.
When filling out a form, why is Taiwan a "region"? Because companies are catering to China. Why do we buy 3ft USB cables and not 1m USB cables? Because companies are catering to the US. But if the US makes itself irrelevant, those little courtesies are going to go away.
And the US is treating its relationship with China like a Cold War. Except our economy is severely crippled right now while China's is going absolutely crazy. Making the US contemporary analogue to the old USSR, while China plays the part of the post WW2 US. Young people look at it through an oversimplified lens of "capitalism vs communism". I think the truth is that either system can fuck itself and the real key to success is moderation.
Ghoelian@piefed.social · 5 pts · 33d
While I agree with what you said,
I sure don't. The only products I ever see over here with US units are imported, everything else is metric.
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 33d
This is not in the US. I have checked 2 global providers, they sidestep the problem by labeling the dropdown "Country or region".
Doesn't this suggest the opposite? 1m is more generic than 3ft. And I just measured my USB cables and most of them are exactly 1m or slightly more, and not 91cm.
I do agree with most of your points though, but I think you should take a deep breath every now and then and think what your point actually is and whether it's coming across.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 33d
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 34d
US customary units aren't going anywhere.
rbos@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 34d
They certainly won't leave the USA anymore, if trade is significantly curtailed.
helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 33d
Exactly. They will stay in the USA from now on, and leave the rest of us have our metric units.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
We also use metric in the US. It's taught in every science class from high school if not middle school. All of our medicine and sciences are done in metric, as well as military and aerospace.
helvetpuli@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 33d
I'm well aware. I'm taking about the problem of having to convert when dealing with USA origin consumer products.
You get to pick and choose but your manufacturers force us to deal with your ancient Roman units. I mean, whose foot was it anyway?
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 34d
Due to the straight of Hormuz? Is that the linkage you're making?
inari@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 33d
That and the destruction of oil infrastructure in the Gulf
SpontaneousCombustion@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 34d
“It’s not our fault that the tail is wagging the dog!!”
That’s what happens when you let a child run a country
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 34d
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip · 54 pts · 34d
Oh, so you do perceive it? Good. Now do Russia, the elephant that's been stomping around the room for at least 10 years.
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 34d
I dont want to give him the credit of the 'worst person made a great point' meme, ugh.
MalReynolds@slrpnk.net · 38 pts · 34d
Broken clock needs no credit.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 34d
After all, a broken clock is only ever accidentally correct, and never in a way that's helpful.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 33d
He's only saying this because he's seen the polls on support for Israel and the Iran war and he wants to be a viable presidential candidate in 2028.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 34d
Worst person to make a point he completely missed
modernangel@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 34d
"trump says" "vance says" "thiel says" "vought says"
Treating the latest burble of lies from the pedo con-artist coalition regime as a headline is lazy ragebait, not news
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 34d
Vance has to navigate a tricky path between the MAGA faction that wants more genocide of Arabs and Muslims, and the antisemites.
There's also a good-faith position possible, opposing foreign interference in US politics, but I have serious doubts that Vance does anything based on honest motives. If it were foreign interference that's the real issue, he'd have said something about Russia too. Oh, but he can't do that, can he?
Rat_in_a_hat@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 34d
He's playing both sides so he can always come out on top.
Especially since there's a growing Republican base that's against war and against funding going to Israel
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
Yeah, I've seen him doing more of that lately, talking out both sides of his mouth. Trying to distance himself from the Trump shitsow without losing the bigot vote. He twists and turns more than a weasel.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · 27 pts · 33d
Don't get fooled, they are blaming israel for something they are 100% ok with
kreskin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
are you claiming he's wrong about israel? I dont care if they are ok with it. The dems are ok with it too.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 32d
USA bombed a school day 1 of the war and murdered 140 kids. Nothing happened, they don't care. War is a business for these people and they seek more of it. USA goverment is 100% fine with this war or they wouldn't have get involved.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d
Jealous of Putin's murder wall
Greyghoster@aussie.zone · 23 pts · 33d
And the US is doing the same to bolster far right groups around the world. Black pots and kettles.
halcyoncmdr@piefed.social · 22 pts · 34d
Discreet? Are they blind?
What am I saying, of course they are.
Flower@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 34d
It sounds better than saying they let it happen
Sabata11792@ani.social · 1 pts · 34d
Sounds better than admitting they are enthusiastically funding it.
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 34d
"Wahhhhh, NetanYahoo made us do it. Wahhhhh!
Wow, look at the curves on that couch. Hubba Hubba."
MrNesser@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 33d
Guessing Israel isnt funding a Vance presidential campaign
pjwestin@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 34d
This is what is really dangerous about the right-wing right now. The savvier fascists have figured out that support for Israel is a bipartisan loser, so they're staking an anti-Israel position, and some of them (Tucker Carlson, for example) are starting to integrate their antisemitic dog whistles into it.
The left-wing should counter with any anti-zionist, anti-colonial position that explicitly rejects antisemitism, but unfortunately, the defacto left-wing party is the Democrats, who have essentially staked out the same pro-Israel middle east policy as the neocons. Right now, Trump's support for Israel is keeping the right pro-Israel for now, but when he's gone (and his health makes that appear imminent), the right may outflank the Democrats on Israel, leaving us to choose between antisemitism and genocide. I would guess that's what Vance is doing here.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 34d
Good call to use a pic of him double-air-dicking
GutterRat42@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
Oooof, AIPAC is going to get mad
Mediocre_Bard_Redeux@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 32d
Oh, he's going to be found dead soon.
aeiou@piefed.social · 6 pts · 34d
Gotta prepare for the 2028 run I guess?
HubertManne@piefed.social · 4 pts · 34d
its all projection. they influence you and the administration you work for especially the orange turd you idiot.
kandoh@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 32d
He's just making excuses for why he failed in his negotiations.