I haven't seen anyone blame their stupid position because of their secret homosexuality. I have however seen people call out their hypocrisy in being gay while being a part of the anti-gay party.
Theory for what, why they're shitty people? Do I need to explain to you that straight people can be shitty?
E: Jesus Christ, do you mean the testosterone thing?? Are you going to sit here and tell me you think every straight man with testosterone anxieties is secretly gay?
I know what someone who wants dick but can't admit it to themselves acts like. I used to be one.
And I'm looking at Pete Hegseth and Jesse Watters right now.
I know a straight guy who is on gender-affirming TRT, when I asked him what it was like, he talked about how he found all kinds of women more attractive, how he would see any bit of jiggle and it would turn him on.
My friend's fascination was withwomen's bodies, not men's bodies, that's what he found himself thinking about.
The way Hegseth talks about Manly Fit Men makes it clear where his interests lie.
You are quite literally projecting. Your own personal experience and struggles with internalized homophobia doesn't excuse using homophobia as a political weapon.
I don't think the person you're responding to believes that the problem is politicians being gay, but that they can't separate their feelings about their sexuality from their job as politicians. Just because this fact can be used by homophobes to demonize gay people doesn't mean that Republicans in office don't have a pattern of sexual self repression that colors their politics.
You're talking about confirmation bias, not an actual rule about the composition of the Republican Party or Republican lawmakers as a whole. Every time a Republican is outed it sticks in your mind because of the hypocrisy, but you don't notice or remember the ~95% of them that are straight and never get 'caught' because they aren't attracted to men. Turning around and using the closeted minority to insinuate that, actually, any given Republican is gay and closeted is just homophobia.
Did you miss that the thread I linked is not about Lindsay Graham and is in fact about Pete Hegseth? Did you black out on the part where you talked about how Hegseth was obviously gay because of the fixation on men having high testosterone? Blaming sexist policies on people you think are closeted is homophobia, I don't care how much you think you see yourself in him.
yeah like, what is the underlying idea? because there has to be a reason the man just told the entire world he thinks the military isn't manly enough. from a neutral perspective it's just an incredible own goal, so there has to be some rationale other than he wants soldiers to be bald and hairy.
Right wing straight men have a lot of anxiety over sperm count and testosterone levels dropping since the 60s, and their solution is a bandaid (more testosterone) instead of looking at the cause (likely pollution and worse physical health). These values are based in heterosexist beliefs about testosterone and masculinity.
I don't think the common thread is that they are "secretly gay".
But I do believe one of the most common threads is self-loathing/self-hatred and emotional repression, which they then over compensate for by forcing draconian policy on others who are more comfortable with themselves.
Drug use, infidelity, the need to justify a lifetime of privilege, over valuing the 1950's propagandized 'traditional American family', an uncountable list of problems with women, and yes, even repressed sexuality, are just some of the many root causes of their self-hatred.
I agree with your point that many people reveal latent homophobia, or at the very least a willingness to use it to disparage others, when discussing closeted LGBTQ Republican's. And that doing so is just frankly fucked up. But I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water here. Much of their awful policies are because they are secretly something.
I agree with your assessment, a lot of them are definitely slimy bottom dwellers. I don’t want people to stop calling that out at all, it’s the equation of sleazeball with skeletons in the closet and gay that people should knock off.
It of course manages to absolve them of any of accusations that they might be homophobic. They aren’t gay, and it’s only self-hating gays that are homophobic after all.
I mean, Lindsey Graham was secretly gay, and was definetly a bad person.
Then again, George Santos is publically gay, and also a bad person.
Maybe just Republicans are bad people, even if they're gay?
It also frames the idea that they're like that because they're secretly gay, like they're a bad person for being gay. Which when you say it out loud that way actually sounds pretty homophobic as fuck.
Also accusing people of being gay like it's somehow a bad thing is pretty shitty as well.
It's semi-relevant, but like another user above explained in more detail, it's just a component of a larger trend of self loathing and repression.
Religion is ultimately to blame, really. Who cares if a Republican is gay. It's only a problem when they start pushing major anti-LGBT initiatives because they think that earns them enough good person points with invisible sky daddy to make up for their own "sin".
I only conclude repression when there's a basis for it. There are plenty of people who are bad on their own merits. But when you hear someone describe homosexuality as a temptation that takes effort to resist, or one who thinks everyone would be gay but for their religion or something, the conclusion is reasonable.
Some people are transphobes because they're just genuinely bad people. But then you hear a transphobe justify their hatred out of a fear that they could be tricked into transitioning, no bro its repression. Most people are happy with their gender, take the hormones.
Most people are genuinely disinterested in those they are not attracted to and secure in their own gender. If they show you that not being the case, it being due to repression is not an unreasonable thing to conclude.
Well I don't think it's being closeted that makes people bigoted self-hating assholes, but rather bigoted self-hating assholes usually remain closeted.
As in, people have the cause and effect the wrong way around.
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HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 51 pts · 16d
I haven't seen anyone blame their stupid position because of their secret homosexuality. I have however seen people call out their hypocrisy in being gay while being a part of the anti-gay party.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 16d
https://tes.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/lemmy.blahaj.zone/45532986
Feel free to peruse the comments here that go on about how they just want men with high T because they find them so sexy.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 16d
I didn't find any comment that blamed their sectret homosexuality. I think you're just reading into jokes too much.
lime@feddit.nu · -6 pts · 16d
any alternative theory?
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 16d
Theory for what, why they're shitty people? Do I need to explain to you that straight people can be shitty?
E: Jesus Christ, do you mean the testosterone thing?? Are you going to sit here and tell me you think every straight man with testosterone anxieties is secretly gay?
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 16d
I know what someone who wants dick but can't admit it to themselves acts like. I used to be one.
And I'm looking at Pete Hegseth and Jesse Watters right now.
I know a straight guy who is on gender-affirming TRT, when I asked him what it was like, he talked about how he found all kinds of women more attractive, how he would see any bit of jiggle and it would turn him on.
My friend's fascination was withwomen's bodies, not men's bodies, that's what he found himself thinking about.
The way Hegseth talks about Manly Fit Men makes it clear where his interests lie.
It's not that hard.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 16d
You are quite literally projecting. Your own personal experience and struggles with internalized homophobia doesn't excuse using homophobia as a political weapon.
tjsauce@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16d
I don't think the person you're responding to believes that the problem is politicians being gay, but that they can't separate their feelings about their sexuality from their job as politicians. Just because this fact can be used by homophobes to demonize gay people doesn't mean that Republicans in office don't have a pattern of sexual self repression that colors their politics.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 16d
You're talking about confirmation bias, not an actual rule about the composition of the Republican Party or Republican lawmakers as a whole. Every time a Republican is outed it sticks in your mind because of the hypocrisy, but you don't notice or remember the ~95% of them that are straight and never get 'caught' because they aren't attracted to men. Turning around and using the closeted minority to insinuate that, actually, any given Republican is gay and closeted is just homophobia.
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 16d
How am I using homophobia as a political weapon? What the fuck?
Did you think Lindsay Graham was straight?
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 16d
Did you miss that the thread I linked is not about Lindsay Graham and is in fact about Pete Hegseth? Did you black out on the part where you talked about how Hegseth was obviously gay because of the fixation on men having high testosterone? Blaming sexist policies on people you think are closeted is homophobia, I don't care how much you think you see yourself in him.
lime@feddit.nu · -4 pts · 16d
yeah like, what is the underlying idea? because there has to be a reason the man just told the entire world he thinks the military isn't manly enough. from a neutral perspective it's just an incredible own goal, so there has to be some rationale other than he wants soldiers to be bald and hairy.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 16d
Right wing straight men have a lot of anxiety over sperm count and testosterone levels dropping since the 60s, and their solution is a bandaid (more testosterone) instead of looking at the cause (likely pollution and worse physical health). These values are based in heterosexist beliefs about testosterone and masculinity.
lime@feddit.nu · 1 pts · 16d
right, that's the obvious reason, but announcing it directly was obviously going to be a pr disaster. so what made it worth doing?
TaterTot@piefed.social · 42 pts · 16d
I don't think the common thread is that they are "secretly gay".
But I do believe one of the most common threads is self-loathing/self-hatred and emotional repression, which they then over compensate for by forcing draconian policy on others who are more comfortable with themselves.
Drug use, infidelity, the need to justify a lifetime of privilege, over valuing the 1950's propagandized 'traditional American family', an uncountable list of problems with women, and yes, even repressed sexuality, are just some of the many root causes of their self-hatred.
I agree with your point that many people reveal latent homophobia, or at the very least a willingness to use it to disparage others, when discussing closeted LGBTQ Republican's. And that doing so is just frankly fucked up. But I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water here. Much of their awful policies are because they are secretly something.
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 16d
I agree with your assessment, a lot of them are definitely slimy bottom dwellers. I don’t want people to stop calling that out at all, it’s the equation of sleazeball with skeletons in the closet and gay that people should knock off.
Quokka@quokk.au · 24 pts · 16d
Liberal types love to weaponise homosexuality and pretend conservatives right wingers are secretly all repressed gay people.
Sure maybe one or two prominent examples might be, but the overwhelming majority are just hateful shits.
The most annoying thing is the tired line of “I’m not being homophobic only pointing out hypocrisy.”
nightlily@leminal.space · 9 pts · 16d
It of course manages to absolve them of any of accusations that they might be homophobic. They aren’t gay, and it’s only self-hating gays that are homophobic after all.
Hawanja@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16d
I mean, Lindsey Graham was secretly gay, and was definetly a bad person.
Then again, George Santos is publically gay, and also a bad person.
Maybe just Republicans are bad people, even if they're gay?
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 16d
It also frames the idea that they're like that because they're secretly gay, like they're a bad person for being gay. Which when you say it out loud that way actually sounds pretty homophobic as fuck.
Also accusing people of being gay like it's somehow a bad thing is pretty shitty as well.
regdog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 15d
Yes, it is definitely the left who weaponizes sexual identities.
Quokka@quokk.au · 3 pts · 15d
Liberals aren’t leftists.
justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io · 20 pts · 16d
Being secretly homosexual is irrelevant to their behaviour.
It has everything to do with them being oppressed into thinking it is evil and unnatural by religion.
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16d
It's semi-relevant, but like another user above explained in more detail, it's just a component of a larger trend of self loathing and repression.
Religion is ultimately to blame, really. Who cares if a Republican is gay. It's only a problem when they start pushing major anti-LGBT initiatives because they think that earns them enough good person points with invisible sky daddy to make up for their own "sin".
hildegarde@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 16d
I only conclude repression when there's a basis for it. There are plenty of people who are bad on their own merits. But when you hear someone describe homosexuality as a temptation that takes effort to resist, or one who thinks everyone would be gay but for their religion or something, the conclusion is reasonable.
Some people are transphobes because they're just genuinely bad people. But then you hear a transphobe justify their hatred out of a fear that they could be tricked into transitioning, no bro its repression. Most people are happy with their gender, take the hormones.
Most people are genuinely disinterested in those they are not attracted to and secure in their own gender. If they show you that not being the case, it being due to repression is not an unreasonable thing to conclude.
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 15d
The US is ruled by a secret cabal of
jewsgays /sHawanja@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 16d
I mean, if it quacks like a duck...
(P.S. - Actual out gay people usually make much better leaders.)
ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org · 11 pts · 16d
Jens Spahn and Alice Weidel enter the ring..
I agree that some people are miserable fucks because they are closeted. But the most of them are just greedy assholes that love to hurt other people.
Hawanja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Well I don't think it's being closeted that makes people bigoted self-hating assholes, but rather bigoted self-hating assholes usually remain closeted.
As in, people have the cause and effect the wrong way around.
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 16d
Why do they look like Jeff Dunham puppets to me? The one on the right especially looks like Junior.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 16d
Secretly gay and self hating, sure, maybe.
But the core thread is ignorant fear and looking at Nazism as a solution.