Does Star Trek's USS Enterprise Design Make Sense? | Adam Savage’s Tested

We welcome to the cave designer and illustrator Matt Cushman, the artist behind some of our favorite science fiction cutaway illustrations from Star Trek and Star Wars. Matt shares with Adam his new massive cross-section poster of the original USS Enterprise, sized as large as the original 11-foot filming model. We scrutinize the details of this incredible piece and learn all the ways Matt made sense of the interior layout based on what was shown in the original series episodes!

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schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 8d (5 replies)

I admire the nerdaciousness of it all, but, frankly, Star Trek is not hard SF and never will be no matter how hard anyone tries to make it so. It's a fun exercise, and if it makes watching the show more fun for you, great! But please don't get into arguments about how many light years you can get out of 1kg of dilithium crystals (and not because everything would depend on the lattice structure OBVIOUSLY).

EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 7d

Pffft with the recrystalization capabilities of 24c tech, that question is just an unfair comparison for older ships anyway. The Connie Enterprise wouldn't be able to travel nearly as far even if both ships travelled at 1x light speed. Lattice structure is only part of the equation.

In this 14-part video series I will be breaking down the hard science of dilithium in star trek....

rozodru@piefed.world · 5 pts · 7d (2 replies)

yeah take ST tech with a grain of salt. When I was a kid I went to the Star Trek Exhibit in Toronto and my Uncle bought me a set of blueprints of the Enterprise-D. In said blueprints some decks had massive tubes that contained fish/dolphins swimming around like Darwin on SeaQuest DSV. I have no idea what they were for or why they were even there.

Repelle@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 7d

Cetacean crew members have been canon since TNG, though much more obvious since lower decks brought the whales to the forefront.

In TNG, tursiops crew members were mentioned in the technical manual as well as the blueprints, but more importantly their facilities near the holodeck can be seen in ship diagrams on screen. Cetacean ops is also mentioned by name in Yesterday’s Enterprise.

SatyrSack@quokk.au · 4 pts · 6d

Cetacean Ops is all about navigation. Dolphins, etc. are used to freely moving about in 3D space in ways that bipeds like humans are not used to, so they are a natural fit for navigating a vessel through 3D space. Their minds are just wired to think that way better than ours.

MarauderIIC@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 7d

"make it so"

Nice

jobbies@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 7d (1 reply)

I find its best to suspend your disbelief while enjoying science fiction.

albbi@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 7d

Could you phrase that as "rejecting reality and substituting your own"? It's a famous Adam Savage quote.

EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 7d

The only part of the ships that ever made sense to me were the bowling alley, and the rubber ducky room.

alx@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 7d (3 replies)

Is there a link to the video somewhere?

negativenull@piefed.world · 10 pts · 7d (2 replies)
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 7d (1 reply)

So fucking beautifully nerdy.

fistac0rpse@fedia.io · 3 pts · 7d

so are you

nocturne@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 8d (1 reply)

Here is the link to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nTZTJHBCAs

14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 7d

thank you. i didn't notice that adding the thumbnail changed the link to thumbnail instead of the video. it is now fixed.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 7d (6 replies)

If you love this, you might find this anatomy of old wooden warships under sail fun and interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nr1AgIfajI

If you want a narrative tie-in, History Buffs does an in-depth look at Master and Commander:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iwea41ua0Y

chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d (5 replies)

And if you’re bitten by the M&C bug, like me, know that the movie is based on a series of 20 books that are jam-packed with high seas adventure and naval battles. The author is Patrick O’Brian, and he is brilliant!

Warning: you will learn a TON of sailing jargon or you will bounce off these books otherwise! Having this glossary open while reading is strongly advised!

If you like the Captain Kirk adventurer + scientist Spock friendship dynamic, you will love Captain Aubrey and Dr Maturin in these books (and the movie, which is amazing)!

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 6d (4 replies)

Where does Moby Dick fit into the pantheon of nerdy sailing adventure?

chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d (3 replies)

I have not read Moby Dick but, as I understand it, Moby Dick is literary fiction rather than genre fiction, which means it may not have the same kind of appeal for Trekkies that M&C would.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 6d (2 replies)

Thinking more of what sailing nerds would take from it, though I think Trekkies would at least be interested in Khan's reading list.

chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d (1 reply)

Ahhh okay. I’m not sure then. I doubt there’s much meat on the bone there. M&C is hardcore sailing nerd stuff. “Sail ho! 2 points off the larboard bow! … all hands to quarters! Set the topgallants and the royals!” I don’t know how much of those technicalities are in Moby Dick.

I think Trekkies (and any other sci-fi nerds) would take right to M&C if they put in a bit of the work. It’s incredibly visual writing, once you get the hang of it.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 6d

May be more meat there then you think.

CHAPTER 35. The Mast-Head.

It was during the more pleasant weather, that in due rotation with the other seamen my first mast-head came round.

In most American whalemen the mast-heads are manned almost simultaneously with the vessel’s leaving her port; even though she may have fifteen thousand miles, and more, to sail ere reaching her proper cruising ground. And if, after a three, four, or five years’ voyage she is drawing nigh home with anything empty in her—say, an empty vial even—then, her mast-heads are kept manned to the last; and not till her skysail-poles sail in among the spires of the port, does she altogether relinquish the hope of capturing one whale more.

Now, as the business of standing mast-heads, ashore or afloat, is a very ancient and interesting one, let us in some measure expatiate here. I take it, that the earliest standers of mast-heads were the old Egyptians; because, in all my researches, I find none prior to them. For though their progenitors, the builders of Babel, must doubtless, by their tower, have intended to rear the loftiest mast-head in all Asia, or Africa either; yet (ere the final truck was put to it) as that great stone mast of theirs may be said to have gone by the board, in the dread gale of God’s wrath; therefore, we cannot give these Babel builders priority over the Egyptians. And that the Egyptians were a nation of mast-head standers, is an assertion based upon the general belief among archæologists, that the first pyramids were founded for astronomical purposes: a theory singularly supported by the peculiar stair-like formation of all four sides of those edifices; whereby, with prodigious long upliftings of their legs, those old astronomers were wont to mount to the apex, and sing out for new stars; even as the look-outs of a modern ship sing out for a sail, or a whale just bearing in sight. In Saint Stylites, the famous Christian hermit of old times, who built him a lofty stone pillar in the desert and spent the whole latter portion of his life on its summit, hoisting his food from the ground with a tackle; in him we have a remarkable instance of a dauntless stander-of-mast-heads; who was not to be driven from his place by fogs or frosts, rain, hail, or sleet; but valiantly facing everything out to the last, literally died at his post. Of modern standers-of-mast-heads we have but a lifeless set; mere stone, iron, and bronze men; who, though well capable of facing out a stiff gale, are still entirely incompetent to the business of singing out upon discovering any strange sight. There is Napoleon; who, upon the top of the column of Vendome, stands with arms folded, some one hundred and fifty feet in the air; careless, now, who rules the decks below; whether Louis Philippe, Louis Blanc, or Louis the Devil. Great Washington, too, stands high aloft on his towering main-mast in Baltimore, and like one of Hercules’ pillars, his column marks that point of human grandeur beyond which few mortals will go. Admiral Nelson, also, on a capstan of gun-metal, stands his mast-head in Trafalgar Square; and ever when most obscured by that London smoke, token is yet given that a hidden hero is there; for where there is smoke, must be fire. But neither great Washington, nor Napoleon, nor Nelson, will answer a single hail from below, however madly invoked to befriend by their counsels the distracted decks upon which they gaze; however it may be surmised, that their spirits penetrate through the thick haze of the future, and descry what shoals and what rocks must be shunned.

It may seem unwarrantable to couple in any respect the mast-head standers of the land with those of the sea; but that in truth it is not so, is plainly evinced by an item for which Obed Macy, the sole historian of Nantucket, stands accountable. The worthy Obed tells us, that in the early times of the whale fishery, ere ships were regularly launched in pursuit of the game, the people of that island erected lofty spars along the sea-coast, to which the look-outs ascended by means of nailed cleats, something as fowls go upstairs in a hen-house. A few years ago this same plan was adopted by the Bay whalemen of New Zealand, who, upon descrying the game, gave notice to the ready-manned boats nigh the beach. But this custom has now become obsolete; turn we then to the one proper mast-head, that of a whale-ship at sea. The three mast-heads are kept manned from sun-rise to sun-set; the seamen taking their regular turns (as at the helm), and relieving each other every two hours. In the serene weather of the tropics it is exceedingly pleasant the mast-head; nay, to a dreamy meditative man it is delightful. There you stand, a hundred feet above the silent decks, striding along the deep, as if the masts were gigantic stilts, while beneath you and between your legs, as it were, swim the hugest monsters of the sea, even as ships once sailed between the boots of the famous Colossus at old Rhodes. There you stand, lost in the infinite series of the sea, with nothing ruffled but the waves. The tranced ship indolently rolls; the drowsy trade winds blow; everything resolves you into languor. For the most part, in this tropic whaling life, a sublime uneventfulness invests you; you hear no news; read no gazettes; extras with startling accounts of commonplaces never delude you into unnecessary excitements; you hear of no domestic afflictions; bankrupt securities; fall of stocks; are never troubled with the thought of what you shall have for dinner—for all your meals for three years and more are snugly stowed in casks, and your bill of fare is immutable.