This is something that I think should be studied more. I think a large reason chatbots are so popular, is that they are just used as a sounding board for people who either have no inner monologue, or no one else to talk to, or they've never kept a notebook/journal of any kind. The bots help them get their thoughts out, and while stroking their ego, it helps them think through problems. The llm isn't actually solving anything. It's just helping those people think through it.
It's interesting to me. I think a lot of people addicted to LLM's probably aren't good at critical thinking, and that's why they enjoy using it, because it guides them along (and can reinforce their preconceived beliefs, which is the dangerous part).
It's definitely a bad thing for human brains. It will be an interesting field of study in the future for sure.
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tae_glas@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 6d
hey, i'm gen ai's biggest hater, and i have no inner monologue! thinking in a different way doesn't mean a lack of critical thinking ability ðŸ˜
lacking critical thinking is the problem here, or being so resigned to the dystopian nature of capitalist european coloniser society that they genuinely can't conceptualise the possibility of things being better, so they're happy to accept whatever short-term personal benefits that they can (despite knowing that they'll be harmed in the long-term), in favour of minor sacrifices for long-term benefits, because they don't genuinely believe in anything lasting long-term (including themselves).
Shin@piefed.social · 4 pts · 6d
You got me curious, no voice in your own mind? When you think about the text you are writing, there is no voice speaking the words? They just are typed?
how does it work?
tae_glas@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 6d
i just think in thoughts & concepts, i'm not sure how else to explain it. i suppose thought must have evolved before language did, going back far enough in our evolution. and if it isn't broken, why fix it? 😅
i can get songs & music stuck in my head, or sometimes just a fragment of a song stuck on a loop, so it's not all silence all the time.
that might be getting a bit off-topic for fuck_ai tho. but essentially, i see how gen-ai chatbots are designed to prey on people who are lonely/isolated/lacking community & who are feeling low enough that they don't care about their own long-term wellbeing (let alone future generations'), but idk if thinking differently is necessarily exploitable the same way.
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bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 5d
I would agree. Everything now is shortcuts shortcuts shortcuts. That's what I hate so much about this culture. Quality, real work is not valued.
While I still find it just crazy that people can't have an internal monologue, I understand where you are coming from!
slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 6d
Yeah to add to another comment, if you're perfectly quiet then are you also quiet internally?
Thanks
tae_glas@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 6d
having no internal monologue doesn't save me from songs or song fragments looping in my head 😅
it also doesn't mean i'm not thinking. i can have a millionty different ideas swirling in my head at once, they're just conceptual and not being voiced by an internal narrator
this might be a bit off-topic for fuck_ai tho, apologies to the mods if so!
slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 5d
That's awesome! Thank you! ( and mods)
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org · 4 pts · 5d
I am physicist and software developer and found it always fascinating when solving a problem how much clarity comes from simply writing it down. A lot of confusing irrelevant stuff simply disappears.
And most people have never learned that. If you are software developer and can write clear, good documentation, you are likely among the best 10%.
groucho@retrolemmy.com · 3 pts · 5d
I've been forced to use it for my job and, yeah, you can definitely rubber duck with an AI. I've lost count of the times I've gotten halfway through a prompt and just realized what I have to do.
I've been subjected to raving from people that swear it's either going to fundamentally change coding or completely make coders obsolete. And, having read these people's code pre-AI, I'm pretty confident in saying that if you view AI coding as anything other than a fallible tool, you're not nearly as good at your job as you think you are.
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 5d
I post about 3 out of ever 10 troubleshooting questions I start to write.
"Oh, these assholes are going to ask me if I did X. Fine! I'll fucking do it so I can tell them that I did it!" And then it works.
iusemybrain@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5d
the things you are describing is mentioned a lot when people treat agi as a friend.
when I have used it, it does use that comforting language a lot, aggreeing with your points to stroke your ego. if I were to describe it's persona with a character, it would have to be Mr Jelly Bean from Rick and Morty.
I can see the appeal, but holy shit I'm getting pervert vibes from it.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 2 pts · 5d
I don't think this makes any sense. If you're used to quietness in your head (as in absence of language in your thoughts) why on earth would you want something chew off your ear and molest you with chatter and a form of external noise that contradicts the way you think?
Loneliness makes perfect sense. Plus some other reasons. Seems for example narcissists and egomaniacs like AI because it's a sycophant and/or strokes their ego.
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5d
Having an inner monologue or not doesn’t fundamentally change the fact your a social species who’s bulk of thinking is meant to be done with the input of others
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 1 pts · 5d
Sure, having an internal monologue or not having one changes next to nothing. People who don't verbalize everything are as capable of empathy as any other person. Important thing here is, it's not like people without inner speech were yearning for some distraction. Other than "normal". (Whatever that even means, since there seems to be a spectrum, as with everything.)
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5d
Yeah maybe I wasn't making it clear on that first part. I just meant people may use it as a way to talk through ideas with themselves.
hendrik@palaver.p3x.de · 2 pts · 5d
I suppose that might be true. I wonder how many of the people around me do stuff like that. All I ever see in public is people ask way too boring, straightforward questions. Like how to repair something. Or argue with their AI coding assistant. But there's studies out there what people use ChatGPT for in private. And as far as I remember it includes everything from drafting mail, to bouncing ideas, people being lonely or discussing their relationship issues to recreational activities or just mess around.
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org · 2 pts · 5d
There may be another effect: The "voice" from the outside can make it hard or even impossible to listen to your own thoughts. Have you ever tried to solve a hard problem and somebody talked incessantly to you how you should solve it?
Or another thing, shopping. Would you like the above if you tried to buy shoes, where you really need to listen to your body?
Yesterday I went with my mom which wanted to buy a matress. We went to a shop. She tried lying down on some to feel how they were. There were two saleswomen which were talking to her all the time, and that the most expensive in the shop would be the best. One acting as if she was customer. Infuriating.