Most Waldmeister products are also a vibrant green which I suspect adds to the attraction, especially in kids. Bit of a letdown to realise, as you grow older, that the colour is from additives.
(FUCK i just realised i'm out of waldmeister bussy. coke bussy it is then)
Especially since there are a lot of products out now which only list the additives and no actual flavouring on their ingredients. I.e. all the green colour but no taste (since it would have been swamped by other things anyway and is probably sorta expensive?)
It's poisonous BTW. German products with it are safe when consumed in reasonable quantities, but when you consume unreasonable quantities and the ingredient is subject to less strict food safety rules ...
The Wikipedia article seems to state otherwise:
“Industrial usage of the plant for sweets was prohibited in Germany in 1974, due to coumarin, the flavorant found in woodruff, being toxic to rats and mice in studies. It has, however, not been found to be harmful to humans, even in large doses, in which it follows a different metabolic pathway.”
Humans metabolize it mainly to 7-hydroxycoumarin, a compound of lower toxicity, and no adverse effect has been directly measured in humans.
I'd say that "not directly measured" isn't quite the same as "it's not toxic". It's not like ethical research is just going to administer significant daily dosages of suspected toxins to human research subjects.
Granted, it's also not very conclusive and it's probably safe to stop worrying about it for now. The sugar in most products with waldmeister is clearly a bigger issue.
There is no real Waldmeister in those or in other Waldmeister products. Its artificial or nature-like flavouring for many decades now, maybe half a century.
The special aromatics could be extracted from the plant with alcohol without risk of poisoning, therefore the Maibowle existed.
Waldmeister is it's own unique flavour, comparable to menthol (mint) but different, used mostly for sweets/drinks. Quick googling shows that it's not known in US as a flavouring.
Sold Foodstuffs usually contain a artifical flavour from a cumarin derivative that is safer.
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I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 17d
OK so Waldmeister is apparently an herb that is popular in German confectionery and beer and wine making. It’s called Sweet Woodrow in the US.
Waldmeister translates to “Master of the Forest.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galium_odoratum
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 14 pts · 17d
Most Waldmeister products are also a vibrant green which I suspect adds to the attraction, especially in kids. Bit of a letdown to realise, as you grow older, that the colour is from additives.
(FUCK i just realised i'm out of waldmeister bussy. coke bussy it is then)
Quantenteilchen@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 17d
Especially since there are a lot of products out now which only list the additives and no actual flavouring on their ingredients. I.e. all the green colour but no taste (since it would have been swamped by other things anyway and is probably sorta expensive?)
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 8 pts · 17d
It's poisonous BTW. German products with it are safe when consumed in reasonable quantities, but when you consume unreasonable quantities and the ingredient is subject to less strict food safety rules ...
pirc_lover@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 17d
The Wikipedia article seems to state otherwise: “Industrial usage of the plant for sweets was prohibited in Germany in 1974, due to coumarin, the flavorant found in woodruff, being toxic to rats and mice in studies. It has, however, not been found to be harmful to humans, even in large doses, in which it follows a different metabolic pathway.”
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 17d
It says this:
I'd say that "not directly measured" isn't quite the same as "it's not toxic". It's not like ethical research is just going to administer significant daily dosages of suspected toxins to human research subjects.
Granted, it's also not very conclusive and it's probably safe to stop worrying about it for now. The sugar in most products with waldmeister is clearly a bigger issue.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
There is no real Waldmeister in those or in other Waldmeister products. Its artificial or nature-like flavouring for many decades now, maybe half a century.
The special aromatics could be extracted from the plant with alcohol without risk of poisoning, therefore the Maibowle existed.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 17d
The relevant flavour compound is coumarin, which is exactly the compound that's supposed to be toxic.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
OK, that differs from what I learned. I'll look things up when I've got time.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 17d
Also a medicinal plant.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 17d
basically everything both treats some sickness or kills you depending on dose
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17d
Interesting. TIL, because so far I thought that there was not even a name for this plant in English (except for the Latin scientific name).
So far, I've only seen this flavour to be used in German speaking countries.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 17d
Waldmeister is it's own unique flavour, comparable to menthol (mint) but different, used mostly for sweets/drinks. Quick googling shows that it's not known in US as a flavouring.
Sold Foodstuffs usually contain a artifical flavour from a cumarin derivative that is safer.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
Comparable to mint? Reboot your tongue, and try again, something didn't process correctly.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 17d
Also leaves a cool sensation, the real one.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 17d
I don't think using brand names to refer to popsicles is a real thing
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 17d
Popsicle is a name brand. I rest my case.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 17d
wtf
ThouHastNoPizza@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 17d
So is Velcro. Albeit not a brand of cold fruity liquid
aldhissla@piefed.world · 9 pts · 17d
"Bussi" also means a kiss in (southern) German. You hear it a lot in Austria.
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17d
Any relation to beso?
aldhissla@piefed.world · 1 pts · 16d
Quite possibly. French also has a similar term, but it has evolved in meaning.
FishFace@piefed.social · 2 pts · 17d
Interesting, because I think the etymology of "pussy" for a cat in English is from the pspsps sound which is a bit like a kissing sound
astropenguin5@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17d
I mean, I imagine it wouldn't sound all that different from the other kinda bussy, depends how sloppy you get with it
pootzapie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17d
*bearpussy?