Full title: Finnish wildlife photographer Lassi Rautianen documented the surprising friendship between a male brown bear and a female grey wolf. The pair was seen hunting together, walking together and sharing with each other.




Full title: Finnish wildlife photographer Lassi Rautianen documented the surprising friendship between a male brown bear and a female grey wolf. The pair was seen hunting together, walking together and sharing with each other.




43 Comments
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 3d
I'm going to love this movie once it comes out.
remon@ani.social · 14 pts · 3d
Until disney makes a live action remake ...
Frozengyro@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
One of them is going to die tragically in the end...
anon6789@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 3d
I tried to leave a big comment with more background on this here, but perhaps the comment was too long, but it kept getting rejected.
I was able to repost it on c/animals here.
It's not a positive story in my opinion, but I think it's important to be aware how these photos are taken so you can make an informed decision about the practice.
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 3d
Thank you so much for sharing, I knew some of these pictures people win awards for look a little staged. So sad for the wildlife.
anon6789@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
Glad to spread the word! Nature doesn't need help from us to be amazing.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 3d
God damnit! We can't have fucking anything nice, can we? Every day I just more and more jaded.
anon6789@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 3d
Believe me, I hate being the spoiler, but we don't need to have only negative takeaways.
They still are real photos in a sense. Overabundance of resources is what is being exploited here, so these are still real animals doing real things, just in a way that is unnatural. The wolf and bear are still beautiful animals.
We can use this same "trick" to help us keep extra predators in our rehab clinic. Many of our birds of prey, for example, would live solitary lives and fight off strangers, but we can often share aviaries (of the same species) since with us, food is calculated and delivered so it cuts down that natural competitiveness while they are recovering. We're bending nature's rules to allow us to rehab more animals, not for likes online though.
And now that you know about some of these practices, you can better gauge what is natural behavior and be more critical (as in judging what is ethical vs questionable vs outright faked). Being empowered to make your own choices is a good thing. I see this with owls, as are some countries they can be kept as "pets."
I see photos of Bell, a very rare and beautiful melanistic barn Owl quite often. She is someone's legal "pet" and her photos are beautiful glimpses of a creature we'd rarely ever see. But I don't think owls should be pets, so I enjoy seeing her in my feed, but I won't like the photos or share them with you guys. It's legal, so I would criticize anyone outright for enjoying them, but I would like you to know that she's not a free bird.
Another classic is this Little Owl. She's the "pet" of a German lady. She stages many cute photos with her owl and dog. Again, legal, but unnatural behavior, and I like my wild animals to be wild.
With the gray areas out of the way, we have a toooooon of unbelievably talented wildlife photographers in the world who are amazing at finding animals without disturbing them or causing them to do unnatural things. I try to reasonably vet people before I share them, and I am always finding new people whose work I love.
Most people in this hobby (sport?) are dedicated to doing things ethically. They will call out bad photographers, and explain how they do their thing while being good friends to their subjects. So I wouldn't go full-on jaded. The majority of wildlife photos are still going to be harmless. But like with many things, when something looks too good to be true, maybe put a little bit of that critical eye on it. If you don't see other animal photos of the same behavior, then something might be amiss.
It sucks we have to vet every dang aspect of life, but I think the reality was we always did, were just better today at outting con artists and frauds because we have more info and examples at our fingertips to check against. And while it stinks finding out something cool is a fake or misrepresentation, me, personally, I'd always prefer to know the truth.
Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 3d
I think we all want a movie but I want it to be a nature doc not a shitty Hollywood story.
AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 3d
It could be a really good silent movie. Like the only time you hear speech is when humans are arround and otherwise its just nature sounds and whatever sounds the wolf and bear make
sweettea@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d
calling David Attenborough, Sir David Attenborough, your presence is requested
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 15 pts · 3d
That's unfair. I can't fight off both at the same time.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 3d
That's the point
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 3d
Nice! Thanks.
danekrae@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 3d
Now, people often use the phrase "name a more dynamic duo", but I would argue, this time...
pticrix@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 3d
Dynamic, iconic and fantastic!
metermatic26@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3d
Bears and wolves are natural enemies. They are vicious and dangerous predators who both share a common space and will therefore compete for game. Wolves are also one of the few animals that hunt and kill bear cubs. And for this reason bears are known to deliberately seek out dens in order to kill the cubs.
Which makes it all the more unlikely that these are an actual wild wolf and and an actual wild bear, interacting without human interference
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d
Observed a coyote and bobcat regularly hunting together in a grassland. Usual technique was start on opposite ends, one would traverse and drive prey towards the other. Switched roles who drove prey and who ambushed. Prey was shared.
pipi1234@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d
Ffs animals can get along interspecies, why can't we get along?
Blade9732@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 3d
"Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.” ― Agent Smith
Zombie@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 3d
https://www.csun.edu/~vcpsy00h/seattle.htm
Only to a specific subset of humans does your quote apply.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
except that's not at all true.
just look at invasive species that are only kept in check by human intervention.
ZJBlank@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d
How many of those invasive species were introduced by human activity though
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 3d
Those are almost all caused by humans. They will reach equilibrium eventually, but we took them from an environment where that equilibrium had already been reached and put them somewhere else. Almost certainly they'll eventually have predators. It's just a question of how much damage they cause before then, and how long that takes.
MolochHorridus@piefed.social · 1 pts · 2d
Most invasive species are there because of human activity to begin with.
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 3d
Agent Smith is wrong about humans. Capitalism does that not humans. For profit incentives and motivation does that. Not people.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
because you look funny.
raef@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d
what does the wolf do/think when the bear holes up for half a year?
Ertain@feddit.online · 4 pts · 3d
I'm sure some furries are having a field day with this one.
Erusset@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 3d
There is a wolf and a bear inside of all of us
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Also: how humans were domesticated by dogs
b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 3d
Mutual Aid: A Factor in Evolution
watson387@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 3d
That's cool as hell
Blade9732@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Agent Smith is wrong, I agree. But it is not capitalism or profit incentive that is the cause. He is wrong, because we can grow and evolve to be better. Capitalism is a means to an end, the end has been the same long before capitalism or Stalin-marxism. A certain subset of people will always abuse power, money does not matter. If the average people can band together and put aside differences, we can grow beyond the old paradigm and cast aside the power corrupted people.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 3d
Mutual Aid in action in nature
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 3d
Movie inbound no doubt.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 3d
Her tail is down like she's scared in all the photos. Is this a mutual relationship?
Shadow@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 3d
Tail down in a dog doesn't only mean scared, and I don't think you can assume dog behaviours of a wolf.
DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3d
Tail down in dogs can mean loads of things. Tail down in wolves can mean everything from hunting, stalking, chilling, walking, checking if I am home and gonna feed them.
Can confirm, I just checked with Maia now .
webp@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 3d
Submission?
DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
What do you mean submission? I live on an agricultural holding, and Maia is a wolf that also lives on said agricultural holding. Am I misunderstanding the question?
webp@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 3d
Uh, yeah. I am asking if for wolves in general it can be a sign of submission. As in the post.
DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Oh, ok, I understand. No. It's not a sign of submission. Tail down is usually just when they have nothing to say (relaxed), or when they are trying not to be seen (hunting, or hiding).
Generally though, it doesn't mean anything without context.
Second last pic looks like a greeting (non threatening pose), last pic is scared. They clearly spotted the photographer. Female wolves are especially skittish around humans.