Context: This comic is poking fun at how movies and TV shows love to make medieval people look filthy and miserable. The director in the panel literally adds a bucket of 'pre-shit manure' to make the scene look 'medieval enough'. In reality, people in the Middle Ages had bathhouses, washed their hands, and didn't all die at 35. It's a jab at how Hollywood ignores actual history for a grim aesthetic.

41 Comments
Ice@lemmy.zip · 44 pts · 1d
You're absolutely right, the majority of people were dead by age 10 (but those who did survive childhood also lived a lot longer than peple think).
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17h
Yup. When I was studying historical economics in college, which was fun as hell, we'd look at expected age at age 20 and compare it to expected age at birth to get a decent estimate of infant mortality. Nowadays they're about the same, but back then hoo they were very different numbers.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 7h
Yeah, I get so tired of people saying things like "there were no old people in the medieval era because everyone died by 30," and they always say it with so much smugness like they think it's this controversial quip that nobody knows about and they're one of the few with this secret knowledge or something.
But it's so obviously just some "pop factoid" that they read on social media, because any actual historian would give you a more nuanced point of view without conflating averages with absolutes.
Like yeah, a lot of people died untimely deaths back then. But it was by no means all. They fucking invented the word "wizard" to describe old people. Strange thing to do if they had never seen a person with gray hair, wouldn't you think?
trolololol@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
That data shows you're as likely to die at 25, 55 or 75. That sucks.
A bit more likely to die at 40 rather than younger or older. That sucks real bad.
square@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 4h
Not quite, the chart can be a little confusing.
The blue bars are the total number of people still alive, while the orange bars are the percentage of the original total that die in any given bracket, not the percentage left alive from the last bracket that died.
So the percentage of the total number of people born 25 years ago that die in that bracket is similar to the percentage of the total number of people born 55 years ago that die in that bracket, but the number of people remaining at 55 is more than halved from what it was at 25 so your chances of dying more than double. (And the orange applies to the blue from the last bracket, so the orange 30 are the people from blue 25 that died, but since orange 25 is about the same as 30, and 60 is about the same as 55, that doesn't change much.) And by 75 that same similar percentage of the original total is almost half the people remaining from 70 (which is why the blue is nearly halved from 70 to 75).
To put it simply, every bracket subtracts the orange from the previous blue. If the orange stays the same while the blue goes down, your chances of dying go up.
LongLive@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 1d
pre-shit? pigshit
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 1d
Pre-shit would just be food innit
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d
Details are sometimes important.
shartgargle@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 1d
Or bile.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 17h
Maybe chyme or bolus
Beacon@fedia.io · 11 pts · 1d
Seriously, did ai make this post? I don't see how a human could make that particular type of mistake.
i_need_your_bones@piefed.social · 5 pts · 1d
Well, auto correct friend. It tried to correct 'firend' to 'fires' just now for me. A single misspelling isn't AI evidence. Humans fuck up too and in context, any auto correct would assume pre over pig before a hyphen.
AI is awful but don't create a Spector of it.
irate944@piefed.social · 9 pts · 1d
Looking at OPs history, every post has context like this one and all of them share the same structure, and some weird choice of words. This isn’t strong enough to prove AI was used, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was.
That said, this will be a hot take but that’s fine with me. Beats not having context at all
PS: the potentially ironic username of the OP didn’t escape my notice
GenitalHurricane@fedinsfw.app · 5 pts · 1d
Yes. Look at post history for this user
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 31 pts · 1d
Who's that then?
Must be a king
How d'you know 'e's a king eh?
He 'asn't got shit all o'er 'im
Oh yeh, right
NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 1d
Immediately before this:
Ooh Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 1d
Also waste was collected, urine was used in the textile industry and shit as fertilizer.
Furthermore beer was generally the main drink, but not because water was tainted. Water is essentieel for existence, and keeping a clean water supply was very important. Poisoning a well was a capital offense.
Beer was better preservable in barrels then water, and more interesting in flavor. In a world with little choice (no coffee, tea or soda) it's not strange it was preferred by many.
Yet it's s pervasive myth that beer was the only healthy option.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 23h
Thank you for saying this, I get sick of this one. Also I think most of what people were drinking historically was more “small beers” like modern kvass or kombucha with 1-2% alcohol. People weren’t just getting fucked up all the time.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23h
Yeah, I just finished writing another comment in this thread that breaks down part of that myth in more detail. But it's pervasiveness is so extreme, just like the 'flat eath' myths and general medieval ignorance and cruelty.
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23h
The alchohol content also meant it was sterile, and it was much weaker than modern beer so they weren't sloshed all the time.
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23h
Not exactly. Mutliple bacteria thrive in alcoholic beverages (certainly sub 20% abv) when exposed to air (there were no air-tight storage solutions yet). The alcohol they made was far from sterile, as it would have been kept in barrels and they are ideal places for colonies to hide and be rekindled. Luckily most of the bacteriae that form in that manner are actually not unhealthy (like vinegar or pediococcus (feet bacerium)) or too bad tasting. If you look up Belgian wild ales you'll find a whole amount of people who go crazy for those kind of beers.
The brilliant part is that the algae and bacteriae that make water taste nasty when put in a wooden barrel, make beer taste better, hence me saying it keeps better. And the alcohol content would be less. But people drank a lot of water too. It's free and falls from the air and from streams and doesn't involve boiling. It's way to convenient and way too important for people to ignore.
Futhermore, you need good water to make good beer. Almost every brewery will praise their wellwater.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 22h
Not true. The amount of alcohol required to reliably kill bacteria is higher than most spirits you can get at the store.
IPA's (or India pale ales) came about because most beer spoiled from bacteria in the time it took to reach India (from England). Brewers started adding more hops because it acted as a preservative, and the new beer style was called IPA after the route that created it
nagaram@piefed.social · 4 pts · 20h
For some reason, I want to blame the History Channel for this
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13h
It's been way longer. The 'dark middle ages' stuff is mostly from the 19th century. Folks like Edward Gibbon were sitting about Rome and it's legacy as being the epitome of civilization, comparable to the conremporary post emigrant enlightenment civilization.
The middle ages where painted as particularly stupid and filthy. It needed to be, cause nineteenth century society was the epitome of filthy, with crowded cities with the human first for the industrial revolution.
Therefore the dark ages, where mankind were ignorant and unaware of the benefit of modern hygiene had to be even worse, right?
That's where most of our mutual understanding of that period comes from, and it's rather silly. I'm not saying the middle ages where the cleanest era in human existence, that would most likely be when there were very few of us. But the common picture is flawed af
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17h
Nah I heard it before the history channel existed
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
Are you from France or something? 🤔
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13h
The Netherlands
deathmetal27@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 1d
Mexico : Piss filter :: Medieval : shit filter
schmorpel@slrpnk.net · 16 pts · 1d
Eastern Europe and Russia: grey filter
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
How come these avifs (from piefed.social) never embed properly on my lemmy.world home page, so I can't click the thumbnail to expand them? I always have to click through to view the image.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
I wonder this as well
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I guess we just downvote to discourage people from doing it.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
I'm not certain they're aware. Wouldn't be effective if they aren't.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 21h
You're not wrong, but admittedly I don't know what else to do as the comment didn't get a reply from OP.
In theory, they may notice that their .avif posts don't do as well and switch to .png or .jpg or whatever Lemmy treats as something that can be thumbnailed even if they don't know why their .avif posts do poorly.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h
I do hope this gets figured out. Opening the image isn't that much of a hassle, but I instinctively avoid them and I don't want to miss any good memes.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7h
I feel the exact same way, and it seems a bunch of other people do as well.
The other day I downvoted a post purely because of this issue, but yesterday I decided to reach out to the OP instead.
I imagine the latter is more effective not only to encourage OPs to not use .avif (assuming that's even the issue), but because it might get noticed by someone who actually understands and can fix the issue on Piefed/Lemmy if it's fixable.
I'm usually big on proper bug reporting, but I literally don't know where the issue stems from and I don't currently have the time to DM a dozen teams/people asking if they think it's their code that's causing it, as I've learned is the proper method on the fediverse when I've tried to "modmail" like I've done on Reddit in the past.
esc@piefed.social · 9 pts · 1d
They were filthy and miserable, compared to modern people, obviously not to the extent of TV portrayals, but they weren't actually able to take shower every day or have 5 day work week and work days of ~8 hours.
isles@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html
Whereas full time work (in the US anyway) amounts to 2,080 hours annually.
fristislurper@feddit.nl · 13 pts · 1d
This is a myth, FYI. Those times are kinda equivalent to taxes+rent. After those 1440 h for your local lord, you still need to run your own farm to feed yourself.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3h
Did people wash their hands? I seem to recall that hand washing is a relatively new thing that only came about in the last ~150 years coinciding with the discovery of germ theory. Like, to the point where doctors who advocated for it early on were shunned and ostracized by their peers.
Etterra@discuss.online · 1 pts · 1d
Depending on time period and location, some terms and conditions apply, scapegoating of minorities may encourage filth.