hasan piker (guy on the right) does not represent the left and is not worthy of your attention.
he is actively making abdul el-sayed’s chances at election worse and i am frustrated about it given the stakes so i made this meme.
because like. my absolute BESTIE abdul el-sayed is out here working miracles at home trying to keep poc, migrant, low-income, queer, etc. people alive and doing the actual work of building a coalition, including making real inroads with his Jewish constituency, while being explicitly pro-Palestinian and rejecting AIPAC money.
hasan piker has made a handful of appearances with both abdul and zohran, but now abdul is getting viciously smeared for hasan’s own words, with fox news literally turning things hasan said into attack-ad material against him. and hasan just will not read the room and step back.
this is the same BOZO hasan piker who wears mao outfits, plays literal terrorist propaganda videos for his friends and goes “they’re just very musical people,” denies the Uyghur genocide, supports the invasion of Tibet, lies about queer rights in China while going on tours, and has said enough insane shit that even my OTHER bestie zohran mamdani disavowed him months ago. and the room is STILL unread and some people are trying to tell me i have to fall on the sword for piker.
do i have to beg ;;;;;;
i just want candidates who aren’t evil to win :’(
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AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 65 pts · 20h
I don't really think that's gonna do much? Fox was gonna run attack ads regardless of Hasan's proximity, and the core audience of Fox News... is the core audience of Fox News.
Cherries@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 19h
There is nothing Abdul El-Sayed could do to make Establishment Democrats or the Republicans party stop attacking him. All the things you like El-Sayed for are the exact reasons he is being smeared by Fox News and CNN. Disavowing a streamer will not help because the DNC and RNC do not actually care about Hasan Piker; they are just using him as a tool to attack progressive ideas. There will always, always be something else to attack Abdul over.
Jesse Watters has said and done way more horrible things than Hasan Piker, yet it would be absurd to claim that Abdul El-Sayed should apologize for going on Fox News and should disavow Jesse Watters. That Abdul is going to lose his left wing voters for guilt-by-association with Watters.
I cannot speak for what other people have told you, but I do not think you need to fall on the sword for Hasan Piker. You do need to stop falling for conservative propaganda though. The GOP's official plan is to try and use Hasan Piker as a distraction away from the actual harm they are inflicting upon US citizens. Fox News talked about Hasan Piker over 300 times since April not because they think Piker and Adbul are close friends, but to try and manufacture outrage against a twitch streamer while gas and eggs are absurdly expensive. You are angry at Hasan for the idea that Hasan and Abdul are closely tied together. Fox News is the one tying the knots. CNN and MSNBC are providing the string.
Any time spent upset about Hasan Piker is a distraction from the actual harmful people in this country who have access to the levers of power.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -13 pts · 19h
doesn’t that kinda mean by posting this I am untying that string? i kinda fuck with that TBH.
📣 hasan is NOT the face of the left yall! 🗣️🗣️i have no defense of him and the actual harmful people in this country are exploiting him for power. 😬😬😬😬
and abdul for senate. shoutout my boy abdul.
Cherries@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 18h
I am trying to explain that you are wasting your time trying to untie the two. Hasan Piker is not a significant weight holding down Abdul El-Sayed. The Establishment Democrats and the entire Republican Party are where you should focus your ire. The Republicans because they are doing evil shit and the Establishment Democrats because they are focusing on attacking Abdul El-Sayed using Hasan Piker instead of fighting the evil shit.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -6 pts · 14h
you kinda JUST told me that this whole smear is huge part of Project 2025 (over 300 mentions etc), now you’re telling me it’s a waste of time to attack Project 2025?
im sorry but what?
Cherries@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 8h
Hasan Piker is a distraction. Stop paying attention to the jingling keys.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 2 pts · 8h
precisely the point of this whole post, upvoted
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 19 pts · 16h
Abdul is great. A fascist dipshit tried to attack him on his support for trans rights and doctors' expertise by spouting some nonsense about cutting kids' dicks off. Abdul replied with "are you circumcised" and dismantled the ad hominem in three words.
Bombastic@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 12h
That's funny, source on that?
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 12h
i don’t have a timestamp but this entire interview is worth a watch/listen if you have a few minutes! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7h2u08YH6Gw
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 14h
yesss! that was the interview with Jesse Watters i believe? that was awesome, highly recommended watch
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 14h
Hasan is a crypto tankie who might become a liability for the left as China gains more power over America, but right now the commenter is right. Hasan is 100% a wedge issue that corporatists want to leverage to suppress the left. Like it or not, Marxists like Hasan are a significant part of the political left, as are people less "red"pilled who have positive views of Hasan. Throwing Hasan under the bus is a bad idea, as the people up in arms about him will not stop at just him. It will alienate a ton of highly motivated allies while earning nothing from the right. In short, "They came first for the communists..."
We are dealing with full blown fascism right now, and it will only mutate into something more unhinged after Trump. Left wing liberals simply cannot afford to lose Marxists at the polls or on the campaign trail. Anarchists and queers are officially considered terrorists by the administration, and considering how the establishment Democrats have little desire to come to our rescue, we can't really complain about it either.
Tankies might be bastards, but right now conservative liberals are worse, and often in the exact same ways as Tankies. Mass surveillance? Genocide? Authoritarianism? Demanding you uncritically support their obviously flawed system? Ever since the 2024 election, faith in liberalism has been shaken. Rather than interrogate why or how to rectify it they instead act increasingly reactionary, trying to claw back the good ole days when everything was "normal." Just like with tankies, they're insults to the ideals they claim to stand for.
I do share your frustration about Hasan though. I don't look forward to a generation influenced by him, but I guess we can't have nice things. The big thing to remember is that Hasan is not the left, just a prominent voice in one corner of it. Continue to affirm your values and stand up for what's right, but don't fall for red baiting bullshit.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -2 pts · 12h
I don’t have the time to respond today but please accept my thanks for the thoughtful response. 🙏
Wakmrow@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 10h
You don't get to decide who is the face of the left. Like it or not Hasan is very recognizable as a left influencer.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -2 pts · 10h
i can’t decide, but i can advocate, which is what i’m doing
the guy who restream videos of houthi pirates landing a helicopter on a ship and taking the crew hostage while cheering them on like he’s watching football does not represent me as a leftist and i advocate for other leftists to consider why i would think that.
Wakmrow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 9h
Ok then leave
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 27 pts · 16h
hasan is awesome; they're not attacking abdul because of hasan, they're attacking him because they're fucking racist assholes who love aipac money.
and abdul is still winning <3
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -14 pts · 13h
i wish that was true, but you know who i trust that disagrees with you in both word and action?
abdul el-sayed and zohran mamdani. who have both taken real steps back from california twitch streamer hasan piker. those guys have good heads on their shoulders and i am glad about it.
NewDark@lemmy.today · 21 pts · 16h
Alright it's pretty clear what community you're coming from, or you're a really gullible liberal. Why do you seem to care more about this streamer than these political campaigns? Mighty strange behavior.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -12 pts · 13h
you really think it’s impossible for me to identify and call out a campaign vulnerability, while also sticking to my values?
i got similar “oh you’re so gullible” attacks in 2023-24 when i saw and verbalized the vulnerability that was Joe Biden’s age and suggested he drop out earlier. hindsight’s 20/20 and we saw how that turned out, huh?
i have to say i’m used to it by now. continue with the ad hominems. 🙏🙏🌹
NewDark@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 9h
Your values are anti-Hasan. You don't have values. It's clear reading this entire thread. You need to touch grass.
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 16h
What are you going on about with "playing terrorist propaganda" and "denying the Uyghur genocide"? And why are you calling politicians 'buddies'?
NewDark@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 14h
It's the standard issue destiny smears that are profoundly stupid if you scratch the surface of basically any of them.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -7 pts · 13h
here’s the “terrorist propaganda” moment. you can see how visibly uncomfortable it makes his friend.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cDNfpKfZL-g
important to note that whatever your feelings on this clip hasan piker is a california twitch streamer and does NOT represent leftism or progressivism. DSA politician zohran mamdani has publicly denounced instances of hasan piker’s language.
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 13h
So, he plays an anti-Saudi Arabia and anti-Israel resistance group's music video, and that counts as terrorist propaganda? Like, I don't support Houthis' political ideology either, but when they're against such sociopathic imperialist war criminals I will also side with them.
And yeah, I know many of the entryist DSA candidates are slowly but surely moving rightwards.
quakki@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 13h
lets get real I would rather live amongst the houthis than amongst genocide supporting israel controlled zionist oprrated child eating US government. it is literally that simple. one side is good the other is evil
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -9 pts · 12h
that’s crazy to admit you’d side with the Houthis
i personally side with international human rights organizations, relief charities, and NGOs engaging with the victims of Saudi Arabia and Israel because they do a better job at like… not killing innocents, but hey that’s just me crazy lib over here
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 12h
Yeah, their strongly worded letters will end the genocide one day 😀
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -1 pts · 12h
geez! why would you say that?
anyway you’re blocked… anyone reading this please consider donating to these “strongly worded letters”
in addition, please organize and fight for justice against the government organizations that ghoulishly fail to protect or downright attack/murder these heroes in clearly marked aid convoys.
palestine & gaza
yemen
global
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 12h
Let's all pray that your money doesn't go to killing another one of these defenseless aid workers.
Oh, nevermind. They wrote a strongly-worded letter for that as well.
With over 1,000 aid workers killed in 3 years, often at the hands of Member States, UN Relief Chief demands accountability
Have fun reinforcing your lib echo-chamber 👍
NewDark@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 9h
That's crazy you'd admit to siding with the genocide state.
I think this shows your ass more than you know. I wish one day this opinion would haunt you but I'm afraid you would need to have thoughts beyond Hasan bad.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -1 pts · 9h
gross and weird that you conclude i support genocidal terrorists Israel's IOF based on just that. team sports syndrome. free Palestine.
Smif_N_Lenin@piefed.social · 2 pts · 9h
All these right-wing smears have been debunked (see description for the timestamps of each smear)
I hope you also realize that Mamdani and Abdul are still friends with and have regular contact with Hasan, which makes these smears even more strange coming from an Abdul fan
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 8h
yeah i've watched that whole stream when it aired, my opinion was honestly bolstered.
i even skipped ahead today to 4:27:50 where my above complaint is "addressed" and nothing was "debunked"; he just compared Saudi Arabia to ISIS which is absolutely a valid argument but does not excuse restreaming Houthi propaganda. neither American nor Israeli nor Saudi nor Houthi propaganda should be treated with such frivolity.
Smif_N_Lenin@piefed.social · 3 pts · 8h
If you don't fuck with anti-imperialism, that's your choice. But to me it's pretty clear he was not "excusing houthi propaganda" when you watch the full clip. He's also talked extensively about the ongoing Genocide in Yemen, and how all aspects of that affect the daily lives of the Yemeni people
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 8h
i actually do fuck with anti-imperialism and i fuck with it heavy! i also am deeply sympathetic to the yemeni plight under the imperialist west.
that DOESN’T mean i have to condone hasan restreaming and clapping and laughing along to houthis, the vast majority of whose civilian victims have been yemeni.
Smif_N_Lenin@piefed.social · 3 pts · 7h
So your upset he shared a part of Yemeni culture for like a minute? I'm sorry but that's a ridiculous thing to hyper-focus on, especially once you acknowledge the entire scope about his coverage of the Yemeni people's plight and interviewed a Yemeni teenager to talk about his experience growing up under that genocide.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 11h
Hasan continues to be an incredible litmus test. His existence has this uncanny ability to get anti-leftists and wreckers to out themselves.
Like, the people obsessing about Hasan specifically kinda just sound like Ethan Klein at this point.
Entertain529@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 9h
I think you nailed it.
As someone who has been watching Hasan for many years, its frustrating seeing "leftists" take clips out of context without the decency of checking the full video.
I used to consider myself conservative (thanks mom and dad!) until I discovered Hasan, so he played a big part in my development.
Yes he is brash and I will disagree with some things he says, but we agree on an overwhelming amount of topics. I honestly don't know how he handles the amount of unjustified heat he gets. I would go crazy..
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -9 pts · 11h
girl it’s not his existence i have a problem with its the things he says
and if it’s a leftist requirement to parrot the things he says I don’t want to be a leftist anymore and me and my leftist progressive homies fighting for basic human rights gotta pick a new name
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 10h
You know, I think that covers it.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -5 pts · 10h
(guy you’re asking me to defend btw)
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 10h
At least post the links to him saying it!
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 10h
you're on .ml your opinion doesn't matter.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 8h
I didn't realize that which server I'm on determines the legitimacy of those claims! I am all for criticizing Hasan for legitimate reasons and am often vocally critical of him. If there were evidence I'd love to add it to my stack.
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 21h
If Hasan genuinely gave a shit about making the country a better place, he wouldn't be trying to self enrich off of El-Sayed. He'd have continued to support him as a fan and advocate, but not try to insert himself as a key figure to his campaign.
I also don't agree with the take A LOT of leftist have that El-Sayed is "running away from Hasan to save face" or "he's betraying Hasan by refusing to defend him".
El-Sayed's campaign and political career is about a million more important things than Hasan. Its about saving our country's Democracy. Its about universal healthcare. Its about ending the grip of Israel over the US and their genocides. Its about justice against the fascists.
If El-Sayed spent his time trying to defend Hasan from every bad-faith attack on Hasan, El-Sayed's campaign would cease to be about any of the WAY MORE IMPORTANT things he's fighting for, and it'd become all about Hasan. It'd be playing into The MAGA and Zionist Liberal playbook and pigeonhole his campaign with Hasan. Its what his opponents want.
Smif_N_Lenin@piefed.social · 22 pts · 18h
Abdul was the one who reached out to Hasan and asked him to stump for him. None of these right-wing attack ads have any motion anyway, and doesn't change Abdul's messaging discipline, as these ruthlessly islamphobic attacks would happen either way
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -3 pts · 12h
Genuinely I am SO thankful for/proud of El-Sayed’s messaging discipline. His disposition and utility of language is so strong, and that debate with Jesse Watters was amazing.
Zgierwoj@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 17h
I kept hearing about that betrayal thing and its some minor election on the other side of the globe, so pardon me for not knowing or caring about the details, but what is Hasan's political project for if he's not gonna help people like El Sayed get elected? (He loves aesthetics of revolution, but I'll eat a shoe if he actually helps make one happen) There is nothing that stops him from supporting figures that publically disavow him apart from ego, is there? What even is the point of him being a part of the campaign?
MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 17h
To make a name for himself so some portion of the internet tunes into his streams and thus give him that sweet advertising money.
Free publicity.
NewDark@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 14h
He doesn't advertise on twitch. Basically only money he gets is subscriptions to his channel.
MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 8h
Okay, that sweet subscription money.
Zgierwoj@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 16h
I mean, of course it is about his self interest too, that isn't inherently something wrong, I just hope he would rethink his priorities
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -5 pts · 21h
so much more eloquently put than i could do yet i agree with every word thank you so much 🫡🫡🔥
Appleseuss@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 11h
You are falling into the trap that conservatives set for you.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -7 pts · 11h
people told me the same thing in 2023/4 when i asked joe biden to drop out earlier and look where that got us
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 9h
Bruh you aren't even falling for the trap. You are the trap.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 11h
So it was you he finally listened to? Huh. How about that.
traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 12h
Shit ass take
mortalblade@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 11h
If their only avenue of attack is some vague association with a twitch streamer then i think el-sayed gonna be just fine tbh.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -5 pts · 11h
hopefully! this post is me hoping to make the association even less compelling.
Bombastic@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 12h
Get zapped idiot
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 15h
I didn't know who that guy is, so I watched a couple of videos. Best I can tell is that he's just another political streamer. He has some rather simplistic views on the USSR and China but most people do. I think he's basically just another social media personality trying to pass themselves off as an intellectual. The right has loads of them and seem to be doing fine, so I wouldn't loose too much sleep over it.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -8 pts · 13h
yeah my concern is Project 2025 has a whole point about using him to swing elections
i’d say it’s just important to assert that the guy isn’t the face of the left and continue the fight for actual progressive policy makers to keep/gain seats.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 13h
Every time they talk about hasan, they're not doing anything but showing everyone how incredibly online they are. Both campaigns so far that have spent a large amount of time trying to connect Hasan and his taken-out-of‐context clips to a candidate he endorsed have lost (MI senate and New York Mayor). Turns out, if your only answer to the campaign that promises to help real people is to treat the endorsement of a weird twitch streamer as the only sin your opponent has committed, you might as well be endorsing them yourself.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 8h
This entire smear campaign is just an attempt at assigning guilt-by-association to progressives. A full-throated condemnation of Hasan Piker will only be taken as an admission of guilt for their prior association and the media will continue to use it as a line of attack, so it's less than pointless to do so, it's counterproductive because it would only alienate those who agree with Hasan while doing nothing to appease "moderates."
Stop pretending you care about electability. It's obvious you're not doing this out of concern for Abdul's chances of winning, but out of hatred for an online personality you have a weird parasocial vendetta against.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -1 pts · 8h
no full-throated condemnation is required! i am happy with a continuous gradual distancing.
i care about human rights and stemming pragmatically from this i care about electability. go back in my history and you’ll find that this is my first post about piker, and the reason for that has entirely to do with el-sayed being threatened.
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 19h
Idk why people feel the need to defend hasan on this platform so much. he is directly depositing money into Amazon's pocket by streaming on twitch. I feel like thats pretty antithetical to using platforms like lemmy. he has the budget to self host something like Peertube.
this in addition to everything you said OP.
KernelTale@programming.dev · 18 pts · 18h
Nobody goes on peertube. I have no idea about his policies but leaving mainstream sites would be a political suicide.
alapakala@quokk.au · 2 pts · 18h
So why is Trump using Mastodon…?
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au · 3 pts · 17h
Reposting on here in the minute chance mastodon takes off when twitter fails? Or just gets popular for some unknown reason. All they do is copy paste his whitehouse, and truth media shit everywhere.
KernelTale@programming.dev · 3 pts · 15h
Because he got banned from Twitter before Musk has bought it. The original comment condemns Hasan for using Twitch, which I am assuming was intended as bad for using at all. Your example is somebody who uses multiple platforms, which hasn't cut off the part of his base that refuses to follow him to Truthsocial. It also has an advantage of moving his most loyal cultists to a different platform, where he can feed them propaganda without having to worry as much about scaring off potential moderate republicans. Oh and the chicken and an egg problem. Trump solved it by buying chickens and other power given to him by an insane amount of capital.
Turret3857@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 14h
His policies, what I'm lead to believe, is that hes a socialist.
Why wouldnt he be able to dual stream and move his viewers over? Have exclusive other platform only streams until enough people have moved over to stop supporting a fascist?
That is, unless he really doesnt give a shit, because hes a socialist in name only, and doesnt care that he is directly supporting Jeff Bezos by using his platform.
People dont leave abusive platforms unless their favorite creators move with them.
KernelTale@programming.dev · 3 pts · 14h
as I've said in a different comment:
Yes, he can dual stream if he wants to and should.
Addition after like 2 minutes after posting: I've noticed the one who responded was an original comment. My assumption of what you've said was then incorrect. In that case only thing I want to mention is that most leftists are still normal people who don't spend their time boycotting every evil company. Should they? Yes. If we were to count only the most radical boycotters as leftists then our movement would shrink to less than Desktop Linux % presence.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 7 pts · 19h
yeah and he also spends literally all day scrolling elon musk’s nazi twitter. he really knows how to pick an aesthetic lol.
KombatWombat@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 13h
I certainly dislike Hasan but this doesn't seem like a fair criticism. Assuming he genuinely is trying to convince people to embrace leftist ideas, it makes sense to use an actually popular platform. He could use something like peertube too, but using it exclusively would be unreasonable. Amazon benefitting slightly from his anticapitalist messaging doesn't disqualify his arguments. Rather, he undermines himself with more significant controversies.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 10h
None of you clowns care about Hillary Clinton wearing Mao suits, but act like it's a problem when Hasan wears one.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -1 pts · 10h
i really don't like clinton either but thanks for the broad strokes accusation & insult combo silly goose
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 9h
The point is that you're taking the bait set out by right-wing and Israel-backed smear campaigns and that you even care about Hasan wearing a Mao suit is a result of that. If Hillary came out and said free Palestine they would start non-stop accusing her of being a Chinese psy-op using her Mao suit preference as "evidence." Most of the things listed in the last paragraph of your post are false such as Hasan denying the Uyghur genocide, supporting the invasion of Tibet, and lying about LGBTQ rights in China. You only believe these things about him because you have accepted the mainstream media lies about him at face value and refuse to think for yourself. As for the Houthis, characterizing them as terrorists and considering someone a terrorist supporter for reacting to their propaganda is hypocritical if you don't apply the same logic to those reacting to US or Israeli military propaganda because they are also terrorists (and much more prolific ones at that).
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -4 pts · 9h
you clearly don't watch his streams, and that's okay. just know i have been observing and concerned with piker longer than most people here knew he existed. he doesn't represent me nor the left.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 9h
I think you just outed yourself as a chronically online hate-watcher who should not be taken seriously. You realize it's not normal to regularly watch content made by someone you hate for years, right?
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -3 pts · 9h
plenty of leftists like me observe the output of harmful political and social figures. for example i keep regular tabs on andrew tate, bill mahr, candace owens, tim pool, ben shapiro, john fetterman, graham platner (formerly) and even/especially the president and the entirety of the AIPAC-funded congress.
i don't know what to say other than you're blowing things way out of proportion.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 8h
I keep tabs on political figures I don't like as well. I don't do it by watching their content regularly for years. Your online habits are abnormal and unhealthy.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -4 pts · 9h
also i looked it up and piker's is far more Mao-esque, clinton seems to wear like orange and white but piker's is like classic mao suit grey so... i'm not an authoritarian fashion historian just my personal insight
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 11h
You can't attack my goat Hasan like this bruh. He's an epic political commentator
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 20h
rw slop trolling.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 20h
see this is what’s so scary to me is i can literally say “i am a progressive leftist and i want progressive leftists and social democrats (edit: and democratic socialists) to win”
and i’ll still get accused of being “right wing” (what i assume you mean by “rw”, correct me if im wrong) for not… diving on the sword for the imperialism-condoning “I call it Crimea river, a Russian river bitch” guy?
i just want human rights and healthcare sadge
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 20h
I mean you've accepted a wholly right wing frame built to literally target hogs. How do you expect people to react to your regurgitation of right wing talking points.
Yeah it doesn't matter what you say, it matters what you do. People say one thing and do another all the time, and you are doing that right here.
You aren't doing what you say. You are doing this other thing, literally just accepting the slop that fascist media is shoving down the slop tubes like any other hog. Fox news and right wing corporate media have spent billions to get you, yes you to repeat their lines for them. And you ate it up like a lil' piggy. You doing the fascists work for them.
So if you want people to evaluate you differently, do different things.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · -3 pts · 20h
okay thanks for sharing your thoughts, your exceeding rhetorical politeness is seen and appreciated
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 4 pts · 16h
I thought Abdul was a democratic socialist, not a social democrat?
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 13h
he’s actually not DSA but he does have the approval of some DSA members. Mamdani is DSA. clarified in the edit!
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 2 pts · 11h
Socdems succ off the dems (okay they're further left than the US Democrats but it's funny). Demsocs are dem socialists
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 11h
this is exactly what i needed thanks for the mnemonic 😭
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 16h
He literally pulled out some kind of right-libertarian dogwhistle during live interview 😂
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 5 pts · 14h
That's a 10 minute video, no thanks. Why don't you watch the video and then just spend two minutes telling Me what happened.
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 13h
That's why I included the timestamp in the link?
He said "I don't believe in socialism, I believe in science."
Edit: Sorry, I guess it got borked for some reason. Timestamp is 2:00.
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 12h
In no world is that a right wing libertarian dogwhistle let’s be so for real.
El-Sayed isn’t DSA and, while he has the approval of many DSA members, he is also free to moderate his speech to be effective in the unfortunately highly propagandized context of the American Midwest.
The right, conservatism, and especially fascism are all explicitly the ones associated with the denial of science so I am asking us not to kid ourselves here.
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 12h
No, it very obviously is. Him being a Dubai landlord puts more weight behind it as well.
The U.S. currently has huge inertia in terms of leftism, but you continue wasting that on "I believe in science" and "Israeli Jews have a right to self-determination" candidates.
If only y'all had the courage to form a completely new, radical communist party from the ground up...
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 13h
obviously i encourage doing your own source analysis toward your own conclusions—
but also the source they linked is basically the socialist-imperialist (tankie) version of right-wing conspiracy channels
proceed with caution is all i would say
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 13h
I'd LOVE one example of him being an "imperialist", "tankie", or "conspiracy theorist".
zoloftt@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 12h
I'm not sure how that's a dog whistle for the right... The right HATES science and it comes off to me like he's making a point about what works instead of playing stupid word games.
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 11h
They don't hate science, they hate "soyience". The kind that tells you that trans people exist and black people aren't inferior. This is how most of them think.
And I said right-LIBERTARIANS. I'm not talking about MAGA etc. I'm talking about the Ayn Rand people who won't let you touch a specific hard drive in their house for some weird reason.
zoloftt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 11h
Is that you in the video? You're no better than the right in my opinion. Also playing words games and saying nothing useful with no hard evidence.
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -1 pts · 11h
Sorry, I thought that the words coming out of his mouth on video was enough. Silly me.
And no I'm not a YouTuber what the hell are you talking about 🤣
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 0 pts · 13h
BadEmpanada is not a trustworthy journalistic or subjective source heads up
dreamy@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 13h
How so?
alapakala@quokk.au · -9 pts · 20h
then why aren't you electing yourself :'(
Why let others do your policies?
Build coalitions, make real inroads, liberate Palestine, and reject capitalism.
Why do you need a servant to do commit your demands?
spujb@lemmy.cafe · 6 pts · 20h
well the answer is simple, i am evil and i would never vote for myself
alapakala@quokk.au · -5 pts · 20h
then you have your answer why your demands are never met :'(
Gonna go back to actually feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless, and decapitating private equitours.