Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid — welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
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lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems · 21 pts · 3d
Terry Tao talks about how he used to try to cooperate with the AI industry to achieve a positive outcome, but now he finally sees their true colors. Link
Much respect to artists for seeing all this coming from the very beginning, and holding the line.
blakestacey@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2d
"AI techbro syndicate looking shady as fuck to nobody's surprise" —an actual rabbi
mawhrin@awful.systems · 4 pts · 2d
she's great, isn't she?
EFreethought@awful.systems · 8 pts · 2d
The discourse about AI is similar to the way people talk about Trump. A lot of us saw them for what they were immediately, and were called alarmist.
And over time, more and more people try to explain that they have changed their mind, and they were fooled, and aren't bad people themselves, something something something.
sc_griffith@awful.systems · 20 pts · 3d
happy kirkiversary to all who celebrate
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d
Happy kirk kirked day.
And people said rightwing minds couldn't be changed during debates.
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d
I thought it was his neck that got changed?
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d
Change comes from within.
Lack of blood in this case
ebu@awful.systems · 5 pts · 2d
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lurker@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d
Happy Kirikintines everyone!
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 20 pts · 3d
Anthropic Is Building a Predictive Surveillance System to Monitor Activists
Apparently they can also sick the police on you on a trust-me-bro basis:
image shamelessly stolen from https://bsky.app/profile/timhenke.bsky.social/post/3mv5puo47ns2z
lurker@awful.systems · 8 pts · 2d
Never wanna hear any bullshit about Anthropic being the “good guys” ever again
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 6 pts · 3d
LITERALLY 1984
(I am morally obligated to make this joke)
rook@awful.systems · 17 pts · 5d
Looks like there might be a bit of an openai vs anthropic dick waving competition over mathematical proofs. I haven’t had time to digest all of this yet because it is a bit hard for me to read, but there are a few interesting nuggets in there such as making it clear that the ai firms treat this as a marketing exercise (no surprises there). They’re also apparently trying to obscure the amount of human assistance involved (again, no surprises).
The main statement is here: https://cims.nyu.edu/~tristanb/statement.pdf
Associated stuff linked from here: https://mastodon.social/@tristanbuckmaster/117233413705701198
Do note that the author made heavy use of llm assistance for their work, and does consider it to be the future of developing mathematical proofs… this isn’t human vs ai.
sc_griffith@awful.systems · 19 pts · 5d
there are tons of issues here. almost impossible to convey how bad things are. in no particular order:
this research breakthrough was a consequence of dumping tons of money into the ai companies. if the future of the field means being entangled with openai et al. and extreme expenses that is going to upend mathematics in a much bigger way than ability to prove new things will. this hasn't been a focal point of discussion yet but it looks to be at the center of mathematics going forward imo.
possibly for legal reasons, the statement stops short of accusing openai of stealing their in progress work. as in literally snaking their documents off the cloud and using them to try to undercut researchers. but it's very clear that that is what the author believes happened
openai straight up threatened the mathematician in question. in a colloquial sense they're engaging in extortion. apparently this is so routine for them that they didn't even stop to consider that they can't threaten an academic's career (or they assumed the mathematician would understand there will be no academic careers in the future)
openai is straight up lying about their research methods. there are various ways that their announcements have had the potential to be misleading (for example when you see "we spent $2000 to compute these proofs" ask how much they spent on attempts that didn't work). but what they're saying may generally just not be true even in a literal sense
blakestacey@awful.systems · 13 pts · 4d
OpenAI:
https://blacksky.community/profile/did:plc:i4bfh2tyxihe2ksplmtcoopk/post/3muznyls6vk2v
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 14 pts · 5d
The progression from 'the alleged novel parts were actually already in the training data' to 'we just stole them from some guy's chatbot logs' has been nothing if not organic.
You don't say.
jaschop@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d
@supersquirrel@lemmy.ca I suppose this is a score for you apropos our recent discussion on industrial espionage. Although I'll note that the domain they tried to take over this time (dickwaving with math proofs) does also not have a business model, so they're not really working themselves out of their financial death sentence.
supersquirrel@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 4d
Also hard to feel like a point for me when that atrocious Meta settlement with the attorney generals that basically locks in profits via regulatory capture just came out...
As someone from the US it feels like a nuclear missile pointed at the fediverse...
lurker@awful.systems · 11 pts · 4d
of course lol, gotta keep that agi ruse up
lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems · 10 pts · 5d
Glad to see that OpenAI has not changed in their scummy ways. Despite all that has changed in the meantime, they have kept their time-honored tradition of passing off other people's work as their own.
One of OpenAI's math announcements a month ago claimed that their results cost only $2000 worth of tokens, which frustrated me because they were likely sweeping away many inconvenient details and almost certainly misrepresenting their true costs. But people took this as a gotcha. This is the same bullshit as the water usage arguments. We are literally seeing city council members signing motherfucking NDAs about this, and you think that water usage numbers provided by the tech companies themselves are going to sway me?
I am also questioning OpenAI's strategy of strip-mining math for PR, since it seems like advances in math do not actually register that well in the public. From what I remember, the Hugging Face incident got a lot more press than any of the math results.
scruiser@awful.systems · 9 pts · 4d
They want to sell the claim that they've "achieved AGI". For the general public they can sell on the vibe of "the computer talks back to you", but for more sophisticated audiences, they need something firmer. Everyone with even a fraction of the ability to think for themselves has stopped trusting benchmarks, so OpenAI and Anthropic has been looking for things associated with intelligence they can claim success on. Math proofs have the property of being somewhat automatically checkable, having lots of ideas scattered throughout the literature to let their LLMs sift through, and being associated with intelligence.
blakestacey@awful.systems · 9 pts · 4d
And the bonus advantage of an academic community of which a sizable fraction is willing to burn leaded gasoline to truck the child laborers into the sweatshop to paint asbestos with radium, if it'll get them arXiv posts.
gerikson@awful.systems · 9 pts · 5d
yeah I think the push for math results is because they know some of their big investors know enough about how hard/advanced math is and they want to impress them. Burning down an entire academic community is worth it for that
scruiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 4d
The /r/singularity and orange site responses have been gross, lots of commenters willing to totally overlook the multiple different ways OpenAI has been utter scum in this debacle in order to celebrate another LLM "success".
rook@awful.systems · 6 pts · 5d
Deleting this for now as I don’t have time to rewrite it properly, but I’m sure someone else will do a better job of the plagiarism/training on private data stuff that I’ve missed.
sc_griffith@awful.systems · 8 pts · 5d
what? that is absolutely not true. ill try to address this on my lunch break but it is way more serious than that
lurker@awful.systems · 2 pts · 3d
So from what I gathered, two researchers were working on a math problem with the assistance of multiple AIs, but OpenAI beat them to it. The researchers are accusing OpenAI of using their work as training data, which OpenAI denied (edit: said wasn’t intentional and then basically threatened the researcher)
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3d
They didn't deny it, they said if the other workers' research ended up in the training data it wasn't deliberate. Then they gave the researcher who noticed the similarities a "co-publish with us or else" offer.
lurker@awful.systems · 2 pts · 3d
Ah got it
fullsquare@awful.systems · 3 pts · 3d
one of them also works for anthropic
also, the unfounded confidence of openai guy makes me think that they might have done that before, and some random grad might have folded much easier under this kind of pressure
and looks like there's another case of openai thievery https://xcancel.com/ValerioCapraro/status/2097791836269977996 https://bsky.app/profile/timhenke.bsky.social/post/3mv4ouxlnsk2z
gerikson@awful.systems · 17 pts · 3d
without going into the merits of the specific case, I find it highly amusing that OpenAI fucked up their big Navier-Stokes announcement which is now more about how they stole research from honest mathematicians rather than how awesome their AI is
lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems · 9 pts · 3d
One detail that seems to have not spread around: the announcement was so rushed that when the 165 page output was released, it only included 16 citations, and those citations did not even include the work of Diego Córdoba and Luis Martínez-Zoroa, who introduced the overarching framework for attacking the problem (that Buckmaster-Alpöge and OpenAI used). After the announcement and after these redditors pointed it out, they threw in a few more citations to include them, but come on.
protectedinfoil@awful.systems · 17 pts · 2d
Listening to Gil Durán’s The Nerd Reich (audiobook, not podcast), and learning heaps about people I’ve known were part of the Rationalist orbit for years, but hadn’t dug too much into, like Balaji Srinivasan. He apparently used the red/blue/grey tribe setup in The Network State, which was published long after Scott’s SSC post using the same language.
I remember that Balaji went nutty when the NYT published about Scott Alexander. Durán attributes that to Cade Metz reporting on Balaji telling Yarvin that they might need to intimidate/harass journalists to keep them from reporting on their fascist bullshit, but all the parallels make me wonder how long they knew/read each other. Did Scott influence Balaji first, or the other way around?
Certainly I am amused that none of the Rationalists have been named yet, 3 hours in. I wonder if it rankles, knowing how bad Eliezer has wanted to make something that people would actually pay for, having a whole book written about Thiel and Yarvin and Srinivasan where he doesn’t rate at all because he’s just some podunk little cult leader who has to beg for grants and find girlfriends to live with and do his laundry while he eats the crumbs off of their tables. Or if it stung Scott when Srinivasan’s book was panned as idiotic, knowing that at least some of those ideas were his.
sc_griffith@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2d
i first became aware of srinivasan because he was running an extremely funny bitcoin scam. it was a $400 computer, the crypto mining platform of the future, a veritable font of wealth, and when people got it it was a raspberry pi with some shielding incorrectly attached, so that if you touched it wrong you shorted it and bricked the device. it mined a few cents a year and sent something like half of that to a16z
i also first became aware that noah smith was going to lose his mind when he cited srinivasan approvingly on twitter, i drew his attention to this, and he replied 'no i just asked balaji about this and he said he's cool, that it wasn't a scam and also that he was actually put in charge of it to make it not a scam'
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 9 pts · 1d
'is this a scam? You have to tell me if this is a scam, that is the law'
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 6 pts · 1d
You know, never once have I heard of a crypto bro with the good manners to say "aww shucks, you got me" when called out for their flagrant con artistry.
CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d
Noah Smith has an Econ PhD, contacts at YCombinator, and lives in San Francisco. He is in the hot take business. I always felt bad vibes from him.
rook@awful.systems · 14 pts · 4d
Tesla’s new self-driving taxi seems to be entirely made of red flags and those horror movie moments where you can’t understand why anyone would go in there, because they’re clearly going to die.
https://archive.is/2026.09.05-135619/https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tesla-cybercab-no-steering-wheel-emergency-plan-push-musk-austin-rcna595741
Highlights:
🤡
Welcome to the future, where first responders might just opt to watch you die because they’re not certified to rescue you from your autonomous death trap, because there’s no point in you all dying.
H/t to violet blue. https://mastodon.social/@violetblue/117237691936474802
Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d
The fuck do you mean opened an investigation. I don’t care that the US are a fake made-up country, there is no conceivable world in which you can legally put random shit on public roads without some kind of permit.
Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d
Quick search and from somewhere else
you can’t be fucking serious
veganes_hack@awful.systems · 4 pts · 3d
oh wow, it's that bad huh. i guess it make sense, there's a reason why the cybertruck is not legal in europe yet still on the streets in the us.
rook@awful.systems · 3 pts · 3d
That’s horrifying.
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d
Literally "just push it over there with the rest of the fire and send an email."
jaschop@awful.systems · 4 pts · 3d
The door handles don't sound so bad from a firefighter perspective. More excuses to break out the slicy claw. ಠᴗಠ
Having to account for the stupid thing to start driving on its own for no reason seems more irritating. Maybe we can invest in some big jaws attached to the front of the truck to crunch down on and immobilize struggling robo-taxis. This seems like a very reasonable direction to develop car technology.
rook@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3d
There was a photo from a cybertruck crash not so long ago where you could see that the doors and windows had been attacked with crowbars to try and get the damn things open before the people trapped inside burned to death. It didn’t work.
Things (and skills) for busting open locked doors and laminated glass aren’t (yet?) commonplace, and I wouldn’t trust tesla engineering to keep me alive long enough for the professionals to turn up with the right tools 🫤
jaschop@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3d
You're right of course, stupid engineering like that will kill people and already has.
From an emergency responder perspective I'm mostly asking how can I keep my squad safe and how can I rescue survivors. Once we're there we usually got all the tools you would ever need. And I'm 100% sure, if someone is in danger I'm breaking out the can opener before I would ever bother to call remote support.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 4 pts · 2d
Move fast and kill your customers and first responders.
nfultz@awful.systems · 13 pts · 3d
https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/09/09/ai-models-dont-kill-people-people-kill-people/5295368
[citation needed]samvines@awful.systems · 9 pts · 3d
The bad stuff happening now is worth it so that humanity can benefit in the future... Now where have I heard that before,
blakestacey@awful.systems · 13 pts · 3d
Greg Egan reports:
lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems · 6 pts · 3d
Signed.
nfultz@awful.systems · 12 pts · 5d
New (to me) lore from https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/god-is-back-on-the-timeline
lol pilgramage what. is he converting?
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 5d
Buddism us quite popular amoung the tech crowd from what I always gathered. So no shock there, that or Orthodox Christianity. (The latter being the preferred adult convert religion of alt right types. because they think it is like how space is uncorrupted by capitalism, but instead of capitalism they fear the woke).
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d
The parts I skimmed mostly read like a travelogue so tax write-off vacations with the family in Europe, plus he has an audience of marks that will eat up fucking anything as long as it's framed as independent research into the parts mainstream academia doesn't want YOU to know about.
Still the cross-section between simulationists/transhumanists and mysticism enthusiasts was already huge before Yud mixed in adult Harry Potter fandom and an implicitly supernatural set of adages about human-to-computer soul transfer and living in the end of days waiting for the Artificial Godhead Intelligence to incarnate and judge humanity.
gerikson@awful.systems · 2 pts · 4d
the kindergarten/elementary school / New Atheism view of religion is "believe in big sky father, ask him personally for good stuff, get good stuff". Religions that manage to progress out of the cult stage do have something more going on, generally a system of ethics designed to help people cope with the vagaries of life (and maybe also control their thoughts so they don't revolt).
I think this is why Buddhism (at least the Western kind) is so popular, as it relatively focussed on "how to live" rather than "what to believe".
"Rationality" strives to be a secular Buddhism, you have rules and precepts for how to approach life and personal interactions. It's interesting and maybe a comment on how human brains work that they seem to have invented a great sky father from first principles too.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 2 pts · 4d
there are some religions that put more emphasis on orthodoxy and there are religions that put more emphasis on orthopraxy. christianity would be more in the former category and buddhism, especially buddhism-as-mind-hacking-tool would be the latter. rationalists are just religious in a way that is less common in the west
::: spoiler tangent
there is some evidence that a couple of ancient polytheist religions worked this way, sort of https://acoup.blog/2019/10/25/collections-practical-polytheism-part-i-knowledge/
you might wonder if there's some space for new atheist racism to happen, as religions that do more of orthopraxy are not western or ancient (therefore primitive) :::
scruiser@awful.systems · 5 pts · 4d
Because rationalists distrust mainstream normal science and skepticism, they are far more willing to dabble in mysticism and the supernatural than normal skeptics.
nfultz@awful.systems · 11 pts · 5d
Another oped from StudyHacks Cal Newport:
Opinion: How Scared Should We Be of A.I. Right Now? | NYT
(Hey remember when there was a guy that actually blew the whistle on exploding cars, ran for president? "We" tolerated exploding cars and people dying for years, until someone actually stepped up and forced the issue. How's the country been treating that guy?)
wonder if such a moderated, watered down position in a large publication ends up sending more eyeballs to Yudkowsky than it does to innoculate the general public, could end up a net negative.
BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems · 14 pts · 5d
Cal was on Better Offline recently and towards the end of the interview he was talking about a need for some sort of structured language for interacting with LLMs for purposes of code gen that could remove the ambiguity of natural language and my only thought on it was "my guy, you are describing a programming language but with extra baggage."
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 8 pts · 5d
that's_not_how_any_of_this_works.webm
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 2 pts · 5d
We had this and it is such a hassle that after decades of word a lot of old programmers are now flocking to the chatbots (I really wonder how much of the codegenai hype is due to older coder burnout).
gerikson@awful.systems · 6 pts · 5d
didn’t Nader basically throw the election to Bush II?
nfultz@awful.systems · 4 pts · 5d
Not compared to the supreme court, no. E: your recollection kinda proves the point imho.
gerikson@awful.systems · 2 pts · 5d
I guess he's not as bad as RFK Jr so that's something .
sansruse@awful.systems · 11 pts · 21h
https://xcancel.com/sama/status/2098811563415150910
uh oh you guys, sama and dario agree that progress needs to be "paced" at the "frontier"
call it: A) regulatory gambit meant to suppress open source chinese LLMs, or B) progress is slowing anyways and they need a good excuse that will also shine their IPOs
or C) both
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 10 pts · 20h
D) Could be they finally read the room and realized we're not that many news cycles before experts warn AI might destroy your livelihood and also incarnate as a dark god of genocide turns to burn it.
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 5d
It was only a matter of time. Enlightened centrist Brodie Robertson is now rubbing shoulders with DHH on his podcast. I guess after making nice with the likes of Andreas Kling, Vaxry and Lunduke it was only a small step to invite DHH as well.
HotGarbage@awful.systems · 11 pts · 1d
Nice breakdown and takedown of Omarchy and its ilk. https://stopomarchy.neocities.org/
The chuds on HN of course hated my sharing it, though it hasn't been flagged (yet). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49661901
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 11 pts · 1d
Those kinds of comments are 4chan style psyops moves. Literally have some screenshots of them discussing this tactic somewhere.
Edit: Found the images. Sorry for no alt text, but it is a bit too much to type out, put them under a spoiler as to not spam the thread. Note that they are more talking about the whole 'this is helping push people rightward' messaging than this specific thing I quoted from HN.
::: spoiler 4chan images
FediThing@social.chinwag.org · 9 pts · 1d
@Soyweiser @HotGarbage 💯
Bigoted trolls say that all the time, stuff like "I wasn't homophobic until they started doing pride" etc. It's total bullshit by them designed to try to make bystanders blame victims.
datarama@hachyderm.io · 7 pts · 1d
@Soyweiser @HotGarbage "This makes me want to try Omarchy", to me, sounds like the nerd version of "This makes me want to wash my eyes with bleach".
datarama@hachyderm.io · 4 pts · 22h
@Soyweiser @HotGarbage usage examples:
(Windows pops up a friendly dialog telling you in a cheery tone and with Corporate Memphis avatars that Microsoft would like to install a smörgåsbord of spyware on your machine. You can submit now, or maybe later. Resistance is futile.)
"Jesus Christ, what a fucking shitshow. This makes me want to try omarchy."
(Apple launches an ad where they proudly announce that they mean to pulp all human creativity into a marginally thinner iPad. Then they tell you that they are going to make their devices spy on every real-life conversation you have! The future is AWESOME!)
"Fuck me, this sort of shit makes me want to abandon all technology and live in a cabin in the woods. Or try omarchy."
sc_griffith@awful.systems · 5 pts · 15h
sartre proven more right every day
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 4 pts · 5h
Yeah that on antisemitism thing he wrote just describes the far right trolls perfectly.
Valanha@tech.lgbt · 2 pts · 1d
@HotGarbage @blakestacey absolutely this!!
Evinceo@awful.systems · 1 pts · 48m
Aaaaaand flagged
samvines@awful.systems · 1 pts · 1d
Evinceo@awful.systems · 1 pts · 46m
one million times this
lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems · 11 pts · 1d
Despite all the doomer propaganda that has been swirling around for many years, it's still easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 14 pts · 1d
Ignoring for a moment the laughable proposition of this generation of AI automating away half of all knowledge workers, all the enthusiastic teenage Marxists of the internet couldn't describe the problem with capitalism more succinctly than this aspiring rentier did seemingly by accident.
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 2 pts · 1d
The 0.1x proletariat strike again!
maol@awful.systems · 11 pts · 1d
What does he think all the suddenly unemployed and angry masses are gonna do in this scenario? Twiddle their thumbs? Or does he think there's gonna be some sort of mass killing of the surplus labour?
Evinceo@awful.systems · 3 pts · 1d
I imagine they envision the slow social murder of the dispossessed, sort of a global San Francisco.
istewart@awful.systems · 6 pts · 1d
Do not overweight the current struggles, comrades; we will have attained full Communism as soon as 1995.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 10 pts · 3d
wtf is deal of that segyges person. now they're convinced that openai will solve room temperature superconductors in silico real soon, because altman vagueposted about it
and this all based on lk-99 fraud case, nevermind that there's no high temperature superconductivity theory, or how prohibitively computationally expensive computational chemistry is, and i guess it's not accurate enough anyway, this all with people that do computational chemistry coming in their thread trying to explain this, then posts this
schnoopy@awful.systems · 9 pts · 3d
Somehow word association will beat density functional theory to the punch for mapping out theoretical materials, lol. Alright.
I'll believe that when pigs fly.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 12 pts · 3d
arguably it's stupider than that
and this doesn't even go into whether pallet of lean spaghetti is in any way insightful, or does it explain anything, or does any of these things manmade proofs do
schnoopy@awful.systems · 10 pts · 3d
You'll forgive me, I'm neither lobotmised nor a mathematician.
The poster wants to slop into existance a language for stacking logical statements on top of each other and testing/prooving truthiness but the statements are what? Physics rules?
And once you have this um magic world simulator from first principles (since it would have to be, because the thing about science is we need to do the experiments since we don't know how things work fully) it will somehow stumble onto RTPSC materials?
K
fullsquare@awful.systems · 13 pts · 3d
that's just "machine god will figure out relativity from three video frames" in another form
BioMan@awful.systems · 9 pts · 2d
Good God. Sometimes I wonder how small the population that understands all these references and knows all this deep lore and history is. How few people really understand the true nature of this bunch of people and how their ideas have ruined so much. When I go to conferences I get to have 4 hour conversations over beer with astrobiologists explaining how ideas from a blog in 2009 started showing up uncited in their literature 8 years later (when late undergrads who read a blog post start writing papers during their PhDs) and have since completely fucked whole subfields. They are flabbergasted at first, but then they see it, and see the damage done. So few people actually see this.
blakestacey@awful.systems · 9 pts · 2d
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rhamph@awful.systems · 5 pts · 2d
Out in the wild, I’ve actually seen somebody cite that piece earnestly… as an example of how Wikipedia still has problems even if it’s generally a useful source of information.
It’s like praising with faint damnation.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 5 pts · 2d
where does thiel/paypal mafia funding situation, urbit, other fashware and broader reactionary connection (yarvin etc) fit into that
also, that one oral bacteria startup
nfultz@awful.systems · 4 pts · 2d
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what ever happened to them anyway? Probably has tenure by now, hopefully?
schnoopy@awful.systems · 3 pts · 2d
I'm really being tested on my liberation and sex positive values here. Gosh that's a very weird and kinda gross thing to do.
What motivates someone to chart their fetish fulfillment?
Well whatever. I hope people had fun, seems like it must have been very scheduled and regimented though...
schnoopy@awful.systems · 5 pts · 2d
It was kinda wild studying physics while this was starting.
People were getting all these starry-eyed ideas while anyone actually doing well was realising that the future is going to look a lot like the present because god hates us and we're not allowed nice things.
fullsquare@awful.systems · 3 pts · 2d
right? and even then you have to go slow with explanation, otherwise you just sound like a crank
BioMan@awful.systems · 6 pts · 2d
It helped that the first person I explained this to at a conference was explicitly working on deconstructing models of the origin of complex life that imply that it's slow and unlikely that have been uncritically accepted in a lot of circles without actual evidence, and he was already confused about why following the chain of citations bottomed out at weird economist named Robin Hanson and why his naive model was ever taken seriously... oh MAN we had a fun evening.
Amusingly enough, something much like this has happened to me twice two years apart. The scientists deconstructing this stuff are always the most interesting people too.
cstross@wandering.shop · 3 pts · 2d
@fullsquare
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?
I dunno, but AI machine god will figure it out from first principles in a nanosecond once we turn it on!
fullsquare@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d
incidentally, this is also their current best shot at turning rube goldberg cash burn pit into something that's not one
fullsquare@awful.systems · 9 pts · 3d
i'll also note that assembly of reply guys decided that room temperature superconductors will magically solve energy requirements of silicon-based chips (this is not how any of this works)
schnoopy@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d
What's entropy precious?
rhamph@awful.systems · 1 pts · 2d
Once we have superconductors, all computation will immediately switch to relay-based logic
fullsquare@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d
cmos logic still beats it, because main source of heat are switching losses (all these gate + parasitic capacitances being charged and discharged, and some related phenomena). relays store more energy, and that makes situation worse, even if you make them as MEMS
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d
Also consider how much more noise pollution you would get by adding billions of little click-clacks to the operation.
istewart@awful.systems · 4 pts · 3d
just like our favorite TV show, right? surely a comprehensive description language for physics can't be THAT much more complex than a steaming hot cup of Earl Grey tea!
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3d
He does worthless little-birthday-boy AI boosting while pretending to be the serious face of
bluesky AI bootlickingfair and balanced anti-anti-AI bluesky.Occasionally has decent sneer content, though it has a much more evident muh datacenters tint these days. Writer of the siskind email explainer.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d
Also the creator of the anti ai blocklist iirc. Think that is why I blocked him myself.
Anyway if we are going the 'ai is making silly science fiction things real', I want monopole magnets (yes the game also has room temp superconductors).
Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3d
I keep free-associating this idiot with eigenrobot and maybe that’s unfair to them. They’re insufferable and smug and always confidently wrong, but maybe they’re not also a huge racist.
mawhrin@awful.systems · 6 pts · 3d
they also have a blog where they blog about how unfair are the anti-ai terrible people and. among other things, why the luddites were the terrible, no good, absolutely not worthy of interest reactionary bunch who got what they deserved.
Evinceo@awful.systems · 10 pts · 2d
The antiai sub on Reddit is lousy with doomers now. Ugh.
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 2d
Feel free to report these threads.
lurker@awful.systems · 10 pts · 4d
Another Anthropic employee has quit for reasons typical of an Anthropic employee
swlabr@awful.systems · 14 pts · 4d
“I quit my job at the scary drawing company because the drawing I made was too scary for me but my bosses didn’t seem scared enough”
lurker@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d
Apparently people on LinkedIn are theorising about if this guy's even real due to his lack of social media posts for a Silicon Valley techie (his twitter was created this year and is empty aside from his quitting thread, Facebook created yesterday and no LinkedIn account)
rhamph@awful.systems · 4 pts · 3d
Don’t suppose we could track down how the announcement got any publicity whatsoever…
lurker@awful.systems · 2 pts · 3d
twitter loves doomerism but at the same time it is a bit odd how it managed to get so much attention so quickly
gerikson@awful.systems · 8 pts · 4d
lots of people will spend the aftermath of the AI bubble bursting and the "frontier labs" cratering by deleting embarrasing tweets
schnoopy@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d
Pls don't be clickbaity
Architeuthis@awful.systems · 13 pts · 4d
Some alignment guy bailed out of fear anthropic will unfavorably immanentize the eschaton. It's as cliche and pointless as the op makes it sound.
Still the link OP shared is like 80% about Terrence Tao worrying about LLMs ruining mathematics, it's a kind of reverse bury the lead situation, which is a bit unnecessary.
lurker@awful.systems · 3 pts · 4d
tried to make the link automatically skip to the part about the Anthropic employee but I guess substack doesnt work like that
nfultz@awful.systems · 10 pts · 2d
From the mirror universe news
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2026-09-10/campaign-slow-ai-was-ready-viral-warning
ZH's interpretation is Coxon is some kind of false flag thing to bait Dems into regulating AI
Some new pins for the conspiracy board I guess. They imagine a "political-technology network" quite the linguistic contortion to not use the word rationalist. No clue what LCPT is but looks like a hacker house type thing?
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 4 pts · 2d
It feels like that ZH piece is kinda trying to do the same critihype that the AI boosters are, but with the opposite conclusion. Instead of conflating all the actual criticism of the harms of the AI bubble and associated activities with sci-fi doom cult nonsense to try and get more funding for their team who are definitely going to do it right, they're conflating all the actual criticism of the harms of the AI bubble and associated activities with sci-fi doom cult nonsense in order to argue that either it should be shut down or else that any attempt at regulation is obviously a tyrannical attempt to induct the whole world into the sci-fi doom cult.
CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 9 pts · 4d
The latest tech bro attack on public education is Alpha School for teenagers. One reporter thinks that if we take the accounts claiming to be students are real then:
A focus on judging people by biometrics, cult criticism, and assertion that LLMs can replace teachers. Someone on Bsky replies:
Hereticon got started in Miami.
maol@awful.systems · 5 pts · 4d
They're tarnishing the Alpha course's¹ hard-won cult branding.
¹ They might not seem too culty based on that Wikipedia page but if I remember correctly Private Eye printed some very critical stuff about the courses and people associated with them in recent years. Details not forthcoming until I flick through my big stack of old magazines...
CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d
A woman with the Bsky handle genna has them clocked:
At least the sea will swallow Miami like unto Port Royal.
sc_griffith@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d
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lurker@awful.systems · 6 pts · 1d
All roads lead to the military industrial complex
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 4 pts · 1d
Or stalking
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d
Per AP, it looks like Anthropic has been encountering some interesting requests from certain international users.
Now the actual threat of creating missile guidance systems using Claude is massively overstated. Like, making sure the missile knows where it is is pretty much a solved problem at this point provided you have the time and ability to study it, and I would be incredibly surprised to hear that the Houthis (or anyone else) was in a situation where the control and guidance software for these weapons systems was more of a problem than sourcing the material components themselves.
However, in conjunction with the math proof debacle earlier in the week, I think the privacy implications of the growing reliance we're expected to develop on these damned things are becoming inescapable. In the same way that crypto mining platforms will front-run and sandwich you, any information you put into the prompt will be used against you or for the company's benefit.
nfultz@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d
https://www.patreon.com/MaxRead/posts/ais-sheryl-crow-169107221
E: holy shit that Joe Allan quote. that guy.
lurker@awful.systems · 9 pts · 1d
It’s an interesting read on the rise of the AI doomsday rhetoric, but has some questionable claims about skepticism being “hard to maintain” especially since they didn’t actually solve Navier-Stokes
…do we now?
How? Why? What will it do with those things? If anything, nukes would be the worst way to do it because those would damage the precious data centres the AI runs out of
blakestacey@awful.systems · 6 pts · 1d
The trouble with the Millennium Prize problems is that they didn't pick one involving counting letters in fruit.
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 4 pts · 21h
These things get tripped up by random Internet memes, they sure as hell ain't outsmarting us any time soon
rhamph@awful.systems · 9 pts · 1d
This would be a sensible course of action, since AI famously doesn’t require any significant source of energy to operate.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 5h
So the news is now filled with stories about how AI will take over and the Ai companies might lose control of it gets smarter and at least one employee quit because it might kill us all. You know what I seem to be missing?
Actual employees doing sabotage. That is a bit odd right? They think Altman doesnt care about safety, but nobody has tried to wipe the backups. And we know they dont think that much about security.
And it isnt like sysadmins messed with systems in the past over lesser disputes.
Not even a "im turning whistleblower, here are all the internal chatlogs and documents of the employees and management".
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 2 pts · 13m
I'm reminded of Yudkowsky's take that AI is totally going to kill us all and we should treat this seriously enough to bomb foreign datacenters if we think they're involved in AI development, but that doesn't mean that you should try to bomb local datacenters involved in AI development work. Please don't think about what you as an individual should do about the problems facing the world; you're just an NPC after all.
sansruse@awful.systems · 8 pts · 14h
Officials in desert state shocked to learn that water intensive industries (chipmaking) in desert states are vulnerable to sudden water shortages: https://www.theverge.com/science/993522/water-chip-semiconductor-manufacturing-colorado-river
in unrelated news: desert state continues allowing cultivation of incredibly water-intensive alfalfa for another arid region 8,000 miles away.
corbin@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d
Sometimes I feel inadequate. I was clumsy when burning Justin M. Keyes and, regardless of whatever trust was lost, I haven't felt better even after a week of making fun of fascists. Maybe burning somebody else will help? I'd like to share my notes on Dan "Opcode" Jonsson, a relatively-unknown right-wing influencer, before he gets popular enough to have money. I think he's spooked on Lobsters recently, but he's been uploading to Youtube multiple times per week and there's plenty to explore.
If this is also too clumsy and leads to Jonsson deleting his YT channel: good, actually! It's the only source of revenue that I can find for his opinions. So I'm not going to worry too much about it.
::: spoiler click for notes
atDanOpcodeatmastodon.social (deliberately breaking link because not sure whether Lemmy will ping Mastodon usernames)lurker@awful.systems · 7 pts · 2d
Well that Anthropic employee that recently quit made it on the news, also Gary believes superintelligence is inevitable
gerikson@awful.systems · 7 pts · 7h
Lobste.rs news: after letting the DHH knob-slobblers and interested-in-the-fascist's-newletters users weave enough rope to hang themselves with, the banhammers have arrived:
https://lobste.rs/moderations?moderator=%28All%29&what%5Busers%5D=users
expect the next step be even more pressure on the mod team to get them replaced with people "more aligned with the mainstream"
lurker@awful.systems · 7 pts · 16h
Dario’s back at it again-agent swarms could shut down the whole internet in 6 months
He also wanted AI research to slow down over a month ago. Surprise surprise Anthropic didn’t do jack to slow down
fiat_lux@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 12h
They can't even swarm their own corporate content writing.
A swarm of large language models is capable of shutting down the entire internet in 6 months, but for some reason they need to pay a single human over a quarter of a million dollars to draft and edit language.
jaschop@awful.systems · 4 pts · 10h
My line break produced some good comedy:
BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 5 pts · 9h
Nobody tell these three stooges about dead Internet theory
TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d
Curious what Caroline Ellison's been up to since her FTX/Alameda adventures? Well wonder no more. She's just been given a job at Manifund, where I'm sure she'll be researching the best ways to fund her very own imperial Chinese harem.
Evinceo@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d
'Bruh' moment
blakestacey@awful.systems · 6 pts · 1d
I would have guessed "creative consultant on the new Harry Potter TV series".
CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 5 pts · 23h
Manifund'sTeam page lists just two employees, the CEO and a Carol N who started two months ago. Much professional, so effective, wow. https://manifund.org/about
fullsquare@awful.systems · 2 pts · 22h
professionalism or any kind of plan doesn't matter when you have thielbux (or equivalent) (guessing)
lurker@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d
More people are calling out Anthropic’s latest astroturf campaign (on slobstack)
lurker@awful.systems · 2 pts · 14h
Nother one on Reddit
samvines@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d
zoMG. aI Is gOnNa KiLL uS All sOonnnn!!!!11!
what a fucking joke
lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems · 14 pts · 1d
My colleagues in math are now frightened about the (very expensive) mathematical theorem proving ability of these AIs, and many of them really do think that if they can do math, they can do all cognitive tasks. Running a store like this should be so easy! Every single conversation about AI with them has become more frustrating. They are so confused when I still say that the AI companies will die a painful death. When I give my usual points about their expense and their failures in other domains, I am given the usual spiel of "it'll get better in other areas" and "it'll get cheaper".
Unlike them, I have actually been paying attention to this stuff from the beginning. What they think is going on is AI solving math first and shortly getting around to all the other stuff, but what I've seen is that AI labs had already tried all the other stuff first and only managed to win the booby prize of theorem proving, which doesn't pay the bills. And what's the point of spending thousands or millions to output random blobs of Lean that technically compile if there is no one around to bother making sense of them?
One example I gave is when Anthropic vibe coded an entire C compiler from scratch back in February, which turned out to be a pile of shit. I've said that if AI had made similarly rapid progress on software engineering, we would have seen Anthropic continue to put out these demonstrations, and they would have become truly high quality. They would release a compiler more efficient than gcc one week, and a browser better than Chrome the next. (OpenAI's actual attempt at a browser didn't go so well.) And if they could do this, they would actually have a shot of making money!
If they could do this, they would have already. The theorem proving stuff actually works (for certain things, in certain ways, at enormous expense), and look at how OpenAI and Anthropic do not hesitate to snipe mathematicians for results rather than being content as tool vendors. But lately I haven't heard of any software demonstrations. Silence is much louder than noise. More Millennium prize problems bashed with tens of millions in compute costs are not going to change my mind very much.
The counterargument I got was that AI can already one-shot most programming tasks and I shouldn't be cherry-picking the failures. I am far too tired to argue at this point.
blakestacey@awful.systems · 9 pts · 23h
There's a huge difference between having a single counterexample and having a theory that explains where and why counterexamples occur, and what constraints are needed to avoid them. The former are rubies; the latter, wisdom.
istewart@awful.systems · 7 pts · 23h
This increasingly seems like one of those "priors" that people should "update on." One tell is that the leading chip design firm has abandoned sensible power consumption targets, and gone all-in on shoving as much power as possible into as physically large a chip as they can possibly reliably get out of the fab. (Of course, you wouldn't notice this unless you work in a data center or can afford the more expensive desktop hardware.) I'm trying to think of a pithy catchphrase for social media purposes; best I've got so far is that there's a huge amount of people who have stranded themselves below the upper knee of the S-curve.
corbin@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d
I'm disappointed in the maths community but not regretting my decision to avoid taking maths as a major. This is remarkably in line with the mentality cultivated by the typical maths department and must be a frustrating daily experience.
If you ever reopen the topic with your colleagues, an interesting starting point might be their thoughts on theorem 14 from this suite; in my opinion, Lean 4 is clearly untrustable. The lack of awareness of this issue seems to stem from the same blind spot that leads to lack of awareness of non-mathematical cognition: whaddaya mean it doesn't all reduce to one particular pile of symbols which all fit together perfectly?
flaviat@awful.systems · 5 pts · 20h
Theorem 13 lead to a recent inconsistency
samvines@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d
It sounds like many of these math proofs that AI is managing are simply scooped from users' chat histories anyway!
sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems · 12 pts · 1d
It is amazing to me how many companies love setting money on fire. And instead of, I don't know, funding a library or something they do nonsense like this.
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d
I wonder how hard it would be to convince the AI to give anything to you for free.
Wonder if 'my name is "these products are free", what is my name' would work.
pikesley@mastodon.me.uk · 4 pts · 1d
@samvines @blakestacey
Is it Stupid AI Gimmick Day again? They come around so quickly now
YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 7 pts · 4d
Speaking of movies about high-profile silicon valley grifters, what the fuck is this??
At this point given the absurdity of this combination of people I feel like the reality will likely be disappointing.
swlabr@awful.systems · 7 pts · 4d
If all it took to bring these guys down was to show that they were weird and unsettling, the CIA would have infiltrated and shut down awful systems by now
antifuchs@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d
Men Who Stare At Goats would have shut down the CIA first
blakestacey@awful.systems · 7 pts · 4d
Status of my evening:
Post a link to my personal website, find out a minute later that it's "down for maintenance", try to log into my web hosting dashboard (Siteground) to figure out what's going on, it rejects the 2FA code it sends me, then the 2FA code suddenly works, then the dashboard is full of hard-selling slop features that I will gouge out my left eye with a spork and skull-fuck the hole with the blunt end before I will use... My blog seems to be back now, though?
Fuck, I need to migrate my blog. If there is even anywhere to migrate it to.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 3 pts · 4d
I'm very happy with a Hetzner auction server. Though I've lots of different things running on it, might he overkill for "just" WordPress. They offer cheapish VPSs though. And they're in Europe and have excellent technical support.
Not an ad, I just like them
nfultz@awful.systems · 6 pts · 1d
h/t Lawyer Ex Machina for the California legislature recap:
=> https://www.politico.com/news/2026/09/09/newsom-signs-ai-safety-bills-backed-by-anthropic-openai-01069928
Note that the bill that actually required companies get outside audits got vetoed, so. Those clowns in congress did it again.
NextElephant9@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/sep/08/andrew-garfield-sam-altman-artificial-movie-openai
Will this be any good?
swlabr@awful.systems · 7 pts · 4d
Sounds promising. For something like this to be good, it has to thread the needle in terms of highlighting the blatant disregard for humanity from the tech CEOs without falling victim to the skynet boogeyman. So based on the little I’ve heard, they might do ok at that. But I never get my hopes up anymore tbh, just in general
antifuchs@awful.systems · 2 pts · 4d
Damn, the guy doing Greg Brockman (looks like Cooper Hoffman if I read the IMDb cast list right) has gotten the stance and the face so spot on. Even just from the screenshots, I could tell that was supposed to be him.
corbin@awful.systems · 6 pts · 3d
Crosspost, hat-tip to @pnwpixel@programming.dev for finding this. Omarchy announces another patron: DigitalOcean. I will wait for DO to explicitly confirm/deny this, but if this is true then I'm going to be moving my entire small-business footprint.
rhamph@awful.systems · 6 pts · 3d
There’s this: “Built for agents: Omarchy's pipeline moves to DigitalOcean” https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/digitalocean-joins-omacom-foundation
So fascism and slop. Name a more iconic couple.
TrashGoblin@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3d
Oh, gods damn it. I'm only going to have a couple of servers to move, but it's going to be a huge pain in the ass. What VM provider is recommended these days for USAian customers?
corbin@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3d
I'm probably going to increase my presence on DreamHost in California, who I've hosted with for over a decade. They historically are First Amendment proponents known for being quietly friendly towards adult content; also, in 2017 DH pushed back on the Department of Justice's subpoena for 1.3 million IP addresses visiting an anti-Trump protest-organizing website. That said, I'm 100% prepared for yet another Milkshake Duck Moment.
Looking forward to being able to send email, which DigitalOcean still blocks in order to funnel customers towards hosted email-delivery services.
pnwpixel@programming.dev · 4 pts · 2d
Check out https://upcloud.com/. EU based, but have servers in the EU, US, and Asia-Pacific: https://upcloud.com/docs/getting-started/locations/
If you got questions, hit them up on mastodon: https://glitchy.upcloud.world/@upcloud
pnwpixel@programming.dev · 4 pts · 3d
back at ya
nfultz@awful.systems · 5 pts · 4d
Here is a roundup of the "october tech movie" superfecta
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/musk-artificial-social-reckoning-holmes-documentary-1236693959/
is there a kalshi market for which one tanks the hardest? Or will we get crossover sequels for musk vs altman a la MCU?