Refuses to stand on one leg to put pants on first thing, but can skim a headline and recall the Italian Game from a game I've barely played IRL (<100 matches), yup.
It's a madhouse on the hill, but also a circus, etc., so š¤·š¼āāļø
Memes from the beginning of the war....I was utterly convinced that once EU+USA open up the weapon funnel to Ukraine that it will be an one way street from there on. Fast forward to today and EU is still having strategy summits where they discuss concepts of the plan. As always: two more weeks.
The strategy seems to be to bleed Russia dry rather than to go for a quicker victory, at least as far as Europe is concerned. The US is in part controlled by Putin for the next few years.
While that's true (speaking as a russian citizen), numbers are also true.
Unfortunately, those numbers don't convert to the happiness of ordinary Russians (and Ukrainians, ofc).
Yeah, a binary number that's all 0s is what it's looking for, which is 0 in every reasonable number format. Any other number has 1s in it, so is evaluated as 1.
Viceversaās point was that these numbers also have very great statistical meaning (and added zimself the significant caveat that the meaning in question is unrelated to the subject weāre discussing) and had seemingly nothing to do with Boolean logic. Viceversaās point was that the numbers here arenāt being adjusted even though they show something different from the initial meme.
Still Russia isn't at the very bottom of the economic rating, as you're implying.
Ukraine is feeling it in a bad way and our bloody leaders, drowning in a luxury - in a good way.
Russia and Italy are not buying their stuff from USA
oh italy does, because they can afford it š it is the gdp adjusted per ppp that doesn't mean anything here, because who cares how much russian potatoes can a russian person buy from another russian person.
because who cares how much russian potatoes can a russian person buy from another russian person.
The Russian army. That's who cares. Because how many potatoes Russia can produce directly reflects how many soldiers they can keep fed on the battlefield. Nominal is absolutely not the right measure here, PPP is. In a war, what matters is how much war material can be made in Russia, by Russians, to support the Russian army. You have it exactly backwards.
The Russian army. Thatās who cares. Because how many potatoes Russia can produce directly reflects how many soldiers they can keep fed on the battlefield. Nominal is absolutely not the right measure here, PPP is. In a war, what matters is how much war material can be made in Russia, by Russians, to support the Russian army.
yes, this is partially true, but i was commenting on "is russia a superpower?" and to that, the question is resounding no. weren't it for ownership of nukes they would be deleted from the ukranian map in a day (or rather they would not even start).
they tried for decades to convince the world they are the strongest army in the world, it turned out they are not even the strongest army in ukraine.
the ability to sustain terrorist attacks against four times smaller neighbor is not what makes you superpower.
This is moving the goalposts. The original point was that Russia isn't a superpower, and the reason that justified this was that its GDP is supposedly lower than Italy. But again, that's a poor measurement based on nominal GDP not PPP.
And while I'll admit they probably don't count as a "superpower," (though how do you even define that?), your framing of Ukraine really isn't fair. Ukraine is fighting with absolutely everything they have. Their entire population is either in uniform or supporting the war effort. Russia hasn't even instituted a draft yet. Ukraine is fighting this like it's WW2. Russia is fighting this like it's the US fighting Vietnam (and even Vietnam had a draft.) An expensive and bloody conflict to be sure, but not a total war that you mobilize the entire productive capacity of a nation to fight. If Russia was fighting with the same effort and ferocity as Ukraine, Ukraine would be steamrolled. The only thing that's saved Ukraine is that mass conscription would be political and perhaps literal suicide for Putin. But when we're talking about a superpower, we're talking about the potential power of a nation, what kind of war effort it's capable of sustaining if it puts its back into it. The Ukraine war is not a reflection of the type of effort Russia could muster in a total war.
And the idea that Russia would be driven from Ukraine in a day? I can see where that kind of hubris made sense before the Iran conflict, but now that's a downright delusional take. That's tankie level of self-delusion. Russia has a population 2/3rds larger than Iran, controls vastly more territory and resources, and has a per-capita GDP PPP 2.5x that of Iran. And look at how much trouble the US has had with just Iran. Perhaps being a superpower just isn't what it used to be in terms of military dominance. And drone technology has leveled the playing field a lot. And we've seen now that the US defense industry is just as enshittified as any other industry, prioritizing the production of small numbers of high profit margin weapons over large numbers of cheaper ones. The US simply doesn't have the production capability to produce its weapons in the numbers it needs to sustain a large war. We optimized our production chain to fight jihadis hiding in caves, and we've been caught with our pants down when facing even a modestly competent foe.
I despise the absurdity of tankies. But take care when fighting monsters that you do not become one yourself. It's just as easy to become an anti-tankie as it is to become a tankie, easier if you think about it.
no, it is not. it is you who are trying to steer the debate this whole time. russia is not a superpower. it never was. it is a failed country with nukes. period.
your framing of Ukraine really isnāt fair. Ukraine is fighting with absolutely everything they have. Their entire population is either in uniform or supporting the war effort. Russia hasnāt even instituted a draft yet. Ukraine is fighting this like itās WW2.
russia is fighting like it's ww2, including literally having to pull out the ww2 tanks out of storage, because they were the last ones that weren't destroyed. russia has geared their whole industry towards military production and still can't make it.
But when weāre talking about a superpower, weāre talking about the potential power of a nation, what kind of war effort itās capable of sustaining if it puts its back into it. The Ukraine war is not a reflection of the type of effort Russia could muster in a total war.
drafting some poor illiterate assholes, giving them 10 potatoes as a ration pack and sending them to the meatgrinder is not the definition of superpower.
I can see where that kind of hubris made sense before the Iran conflict, but now thatās a downright delusional take. Thatās tankie level of self-delusion. Russia has a population 2/3rds larger than Iran, controls vastly more territory and resources, and has a per-capita GDP PPP 2.5x that of Iran. And look at how much trouble the US has had with just Iran.
there is significant difference, both political and military/logistical, between offensive and defensive war.
PPP is just as useless for a war economy heavily reliant on imports, not just because of trade but because PPP is a poor indicator for domestic arms and military costs as well, especially when salaries in the army are way higher than in the regular economy, out of necessity.
Russia has domestic steel and material production so that's effectively free, and the ppp does matter for the things they make. But they didn't make a lot of high quality optics and precision things, which they import for military vehicles. So it's not just ppp or nominal.
No, in terms of war production, what matters is PPP not nominal. Most of your war material is made domestically for national security reasons. So what matters is how much production your economy can support. PPP measures that accurately, not nominal. For example, right now Russia's currency is depressed for reasons of international trade due to the sanctions put on it. But that doesn't affect domestic production.
And mercenaries? It's 2026, not 1626. Russia recruits some warm bodies from abroad, but the vast majority of folks fighting and dying for Russia are Russian citizens.
That shows you the power to buy carrots at the local market, neither does it show actual domestic arms costs nor the power to buy on international markets, which Russia has to do a lot in its war economy.
But even then, you just brought Russia, in the best case to German levels, but Russian propaganda and those distributing it pretend that even the Singke Market can barely match the Russian market.
56 Comments
saltesc@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 5d
It's just nicer here...
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 5d
Pasta money > potato money
antianarchist@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 5d
You spelled vodka wrong
Equinox1289@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 5d
vodka just old potato
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 5d
Don't forget the wine money and the olive oil money. š¤š¼
nodiratime@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
And the strategic cheese storages.
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 4d
There are certainly worse ways for White to open.
Oh, wait. Pre-dawn and only Ā½ C of coffee in, and I misread things, apparently. I thought you meant the ol' "e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4." š¤
nodiratime@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 4d
Holy hell!
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 4d
Yeah, that's this "gifted" gray meat of mine.
Refuses to stand on one leg to put pants on first thing, but can skim a headline and recall the Italian Game from a game I've barely played IRL (<100 matches), yup.
It's a madhouse on the hill, but also a circus, etc., so š¤·š¼āāļø
majster@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 5d
Memes from the beginning of the war....I was utterly convinced that once EU+USA open up the weapon funnel to Ukraine that it will be an one way street from there on. Fast forward to today and EU is still having strategy summits where they discuss concepts of the plan. As always: two more weeks.
IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.wtf · 5 pts · 4d
The strategy seems to be to bleed Russia dry rather than to go for a quicker victory, at least as far as Europe is concerned. The US is in part controlled by Putin for the next few years.
Jumi@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
War is lucrative and we're all being ruled by corpos, some more and some less obvious
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 4d
When the war economy collapses, Luxembourg will surpass them.
Jackcooper@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
What is this maymay from?
AppleTea@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 5d
The Good Doctor, I think
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 4d
Specifically the āIām a sturgeonā scene
Ravenheart@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 4d
Really really excellent show... Until...
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Doctor Melendez and Doctor Brown were removed. :::
I stopped watching after that.
liuther9@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Yes but many best places there are owned by russian oligarchs anyway
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 5d
Sure. Now adjusted for PPP
Blibly@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 5d
You can adjust any numbers to show anything. Russia isn't a country it's just a bunch of mafia petrodicks in a trench coat.
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 5d
While that's true (speaking as a russian citizen), numbers are also true.
Unfortunately, those numbers don't convert to the happiness of ordinary Russians (and Ukrainians, ofc).
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 5d
that really depends on the number,
non-positive onessome are evaluated as false šTheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 5d
Some are even imaginary
kopasz7@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5d
Programmer joke flying overhead.
Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 5d
thatās not correct. anything that isnāt 0 is true. only 0 is false. what has the world come to
kopasz7@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 5d
Casually spreading misinformation (for job security reasons)
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 5d
Yeah, a binary number that's all 0s is what it's looking for, which is 0 in every reasonable number format. Any other number has 1s in it, so is evaluated as 1.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 5d
ok, fair, that was inaccurate. i was primarily targeting the silly statement of "numbers being true" used as a manipulation to support the argument.
Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 5d
Viceversaās point was that these numbers also have very great statistical meaning (and added zimself the significant caveat that the meaning in question is unrelated to the subject weāre discussing) and had seemingly nothing to do with Boolean logic. Viceversaās point was that the numbers here arenāt being adjusted even though they show something different from the initial meme.
LordGimp@fedinsfw.app · -6 pts · 5d
My state produces more than your country with 40x less land and 1/4 the people.
Sucks to suck, and your shit is a vacuum.
wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 5d
Don't confuse the country for its citizens, please. They're welcome here, too. Be nice. š¤
Doom@discuss.online · 3 pts · 4d
I don't think homeboy was defending Russia, no need to be rude.
Viceversa@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5d
Still Russia isn't at the very bottom of the economic rating, as you're implying.
Ukraine is feeling it in a bad way and our bloody leaders, drowning in a luxury - in a good way.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 5d
its just the largest gas station, that also sells other resources on the side.
Doom@discuss.online · 2 pts · 4d
So kind of like a gas station?
OrganicMustard@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 5d
Nominal GDP doesn't mean anything here. Russia and Italy are not buying their stuff from USA.
Sometimes I wonder if most people here are just illiterates.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 5d
oh italy does, because they can afford it š it is the gdp adjusted per ppp that doesn't mean anything here, because who cares how much russian potatoes can a russian person buy from another russian person.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 5d
The Russian army. That's who cares. Because how many potatoes Russia can produce directly reflects how many soldiers they can keep fed on the battlefield. Nominal is absolutely not the right measure here, PPP is. In a war, what matters is how much war material can be made in Russia, by Russians, to support the Russian army. You have it exactly backwards.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 5d
yes, this is partially true, but i was commenting on "is russia a superpower?" and to that, the question is resounding no. weren't it for ownership of nukes they would be deleted from the ukranian map in a day (or rather they would not even start).
they tried for decades to convince the world they are the strongest army in the world, it turned out they are not even the strongest army in ukraine.
the ability to sustain terrorist attacks against four times smaller neighbor is not what makes you superpower.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 5d
This is moving the goalposts. The original point was that Russia isn't a superpower, and the reason that justified this was that its GDP is supposedly lower than Italy. But again, that's a poor measurement based on nominal GDP not PPP.
And while I'll admit they probably don't count as a "superpower," (though how do you even define that?), your framing of Ukraine really isn't fair. Ukraine is fighting with absolutely everything they have. Their entire population is either in uniform or supporting the war effort. Russia hasn't even instituted a draft yet. Ukraine is fighting this like it's WW2. Russia is fighting this like it's the US fighting Vietnam (and even Vietnam had a draft.) An expensive and bloody conflict to be sure, but not a total war that you mobilize the entire productive capacity of a nation to fight. If Russia was fighting with the same effort and ferocity as Ukraine, Ukraine would be steamrolled. The only thing that's saved Ukraine is that mass conscription would be political and perhaps literal suicide for Putin. But when we're talking about a superpower, we're talking about the potential power of a nation, what kind of war effort it's capable of sustaining if it puts its back into it. The Ukraine war is not a reflection of the type of effort Russia could muster in a total war.
And the idea that Russia would be driven from Ukraine in a day? I can see where that kind of hubris made sense before the Iran conflict, but now that's a downright delusional take. That's tankie level of self-delusion. Russia has a population 2/3rds larger than Iran, controls vastly more territory and resources, and has a per-capita GDP PPP 2.5x that of Iran. And look at how much trouble the US has had with just Iran. Perhaps being a superpower just isn't what it used to be in terms of military dominance. And drone technology has leveled the playing field a lot. And we've seen now that the US defense industry is just as enshittified as any other industry, prioritizing the production of small numbers of high profit margin weapons over large numbers of cheaper ones. The US simply doesn't have the production capability to produce its weapons in the numbers it needs to sustain a large war. We optimized our production chain to fight jihadis hiding in caves, and we've been caught with our pants down when facing even a modestly competent foe.
I despise the absurdity of tankies. But take care when fighting monsters that you do not become one yourself. It's just as easy to become an anti-tankie as it is to become a tankie, easier if you think about it.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 4d
no, it is not. it is you who are trying to steer the debate this whole time. russia is not a superpower. it never was. it is a failed country with nukes. period.
russia is fighting like it's ww2, including literally having to pull out the ww2 tanks out of storage, because they were the last ones that weren't destroyed. russia has geared their whole industry towards military production and still can't make it.
drafting some poor illiterate assholes, giving them 10 potatoes as a ration pack and sending them to the meatgrinder is not the definition of superpower.
there is significant difference, both political and military/logistical, between offensive and defensive war.
Jiral@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
PPP is just as useless for a war economy heavily reliant on imports, not just because of trade but because PPP is a poor indicator for domestic arms and military costs as well, especially when salaries in the army are way higher than in the regular economy, out of necessity.
Jiral@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
I agree, just as meaningless as GDP (PPP) in a war economy that is heavily import reliant.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 0 pts · 4d
In 2025, Italy imported 43B of dollars of stuff from the USA according to this: https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4759.html#2025
Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 5d
i mean, if you want to compare āempireāness, you should compare what the entire unit can funnel into a specific goal, right? thatād be nominal.
what iām seeing is that italy can buy more mercenaries than russia can
Einskjaldi@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 5d
Russia has domestic steel and material production so that's effectively free, and the ppp does matter for the things they make. But they didn't make a lot of high quality optics and precision things, which they import for military vehicles. So it's not just ppp or nominal.
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 5d
No, in terms of war production, what matters is PPP not nominal. Most of your war material is made domestically for national security reasons. So what matters is how much production your economy can support. PPP measures that accurately, not nominal. For example, right now Russia's currency is depressed for reasons of international trade due to the sanctions put on it. But that doesn't affect domestic production.
And mercenaries? It's 2026, not 1626. Russia recruits some warm bodies from abroad, but the vast majority of folks fighting and dying for Russia are Russian citizens.
Jiral@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
That shows you the power to buy carrots at the local market, neither does it show actual domestic arms costs nor the power to buy on international markets, which Russia has to do a lot in its war economy.
But even then, you just brought Russia, in the best case to German levels, but Russian propaganda and those distributing it pretend that even the Singke Market can barely match the Russian market.
outerspace@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 5d
Compared to the first two 7 and 3 are an error margin, it's the same value, just proving the original point