French far-left presidential candidate Melenchon blames Ukraine's deep strikes for war escalation
https://kyivindependent.com/french-far-left-presidential-candidate-melenchon-blames-ukraines-deep-strikes-for-war-escalation/
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bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 46 pts · 3d
How do you call yourself far left, when you are blaming the person who was invaded for fighting back?
TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca · 39 pts · 3d
Tankies
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 18 pts · 3d
Tankies stink!
Rose@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 2d
They support authoritarianism. That's not leftist.
tal@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d
I mean, you can be auth-left. Reasonable to plot things in multiple dimensions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
Rose@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
How would that even work in the real world though? There cannot be even a hint at equality under authoritarianism. Someone is always at the top, and maintaining that kind of power is going to require restrictions and oppression.
Womble@piefed.world · 3 pts · 1d
Yet the USSR existed for a long time and PRC still does.
Rose@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
Which part of those countries is leftist? Calling each citizen a tovarish does not mean there was social equality or progressivism, depending on which definition of leftism you'd use.
Womble@piefed.world · 1 pts · 1d
If you want to claim no left wing states exist or have ever existed then fair enough, but generally things are compared to others. The USSR (especially the early years) was more egalitarian than the USA and so was more left wing, despite being authoritarian.
Triumph@fedia.io · 4 pts · 2d
Horseshoes.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 2d
yeah, it is sickening and sad at the same time. I guess he would be on the side of Germany in WW2?
im "far left" and think NATO and associated nations (Australia, Canada, Mew Zealand) should put boots on the ground in Ukraine, along the Belarusian border to free up Ukrainian troops for the front and aircraft in the skies.
Fuck Russia and fuck this guy
piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2d
A lot of communists around the world was against engaging in war with Germany... up until Germany invaded Russia.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 35 pts · 3d
With Melanchon being a tankie and Le Pen a fascist, Macron's brand of right-leaning centrism unfortunately benefits.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 11 pts · 3d
It’s illegal for Macron to run for another presidential election.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 3d
That's why I said 'Macron's brand' versus just 'Macron'; it's highly unlikely that his replacement would make a sudden veer to the left.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 3d
I’m confused why LePen’s party hasn’t taken a hit for engaging in a supply and confidence agreement with Macron’s party.
green_red_black@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 2d
Because the agreement gave some concessions and not being in full power is in their minds a momentary set back
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 2d
I really hope France doesn’t go fasciste.
green_red_black@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 2d
Probably not. The French left, right, and Macronist Center Right clearly have an evenish split with none of the three blocks big on giving one another a majority. So power is going to be who gets the plurality
Womble@piefed.world · 1 pts · 1d
Currently the polls have Le Pen winning in the second round against Melonchon or a centrist if she gets to through the second round (whihc seems almost certain).
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 2d
I do not understand how the second round voting system works. Quebec has first-past-the-post 🤢
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 2d
match made in hell.
GarbadgeGoober@feddit.org · 22 pts · 2d
Seems like in France the far right/left are both on Putin's paycheck. What a piece of shit.
This will be very bad for Ukraine, when France has their selections next year. Hopefully until next year, something changes that prevents any of those parties to take power.
cotlovan@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
Anywhere in the west. Russia sponsored both the far left and the far right with the goal to destabilise countries and split societies.
CactusEcho@piefed.social · 6 pts · 2d
For ukraine, for europe and eventually for france. Only him and his masters will win.
tal@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 2d
I'm not terribly familiar with French politics. France does have other significant left wing parties, but they (presently) hold fewer seats and are less hard left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_France
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_(France)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ecologists
GarbadgeGoober@feddit.org · 3 pts · 2d
Same for me, but some of my French friends explained it to me in the last presidential election.
One problem is they can have two rounds. If no one candidate achieves 50% of the vote, there will be a second one in which you most likely then have to decide between far left and far right. So I guess a lot of moderate would not go to vote in a second round.
AceOnTrack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 2d
No, you usually get to chose between a fuckwad and extremists.
We've had nothing but fuckwad presidents for decades.
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth · 21 pts · 2d
What a stupid piece of shit...
ManixT@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 2d
What a piece of shit. People like him are so pathetic.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 3d
LePen smiles.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
Its your fault for defending yourself. Such great victim blaming.
mapto@feddit.bg · 5 pts · 2d
Clearly now that the fascists have criticised Russia, he is quick to claim a share of the money they kept receiving from Russia.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 2d
How does Bulgaria view Russia now?
atro_city@fedia.io · 5 pts · 2d
What the fuck is he doing... that probably cost him lots of voters.
tal@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 2d
I dunno. He's had something of a history. If you figure that a Mélenchon voter is aware of that already...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Luc_M%C3%A9lenchon
randamumaki@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1d
"Now look what you made me do" is the warcry of the abuser and should never be entertained. What a display of victim blaming there, yikes.
durably465@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 2d
As a croissant baguette I could say without a doubt that he is a populist turd.
It's a girouette, his ass is pointing to take any big money turd dick
TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 2 pts · 2d
Unfortunately it's him vs the far right in the next election and the RN is 10x more intertwined and in bed with Russia than LFI. I know who I am voting for next election. But I will make myself heard and keep sending support to Ukraine.
Malica@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 14h
How about he blame the fucking aggressors!?
Lucius_Sweet@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
Sounds exactly like something a cheese eating surrender monkey would say...
alexquiniou@lemmy.zip · -13 pts · 2d
No one want to go to war. Only rich people want escalation.
hanrahan@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 2d
Russia can stop it anytime they want, so presumably they want to go-to war because they don't.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 2d
Tankie hiding behind more legitimate instance.
alexquiniou@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 1d
If you want to be dead on a Battlefield go on. Until then, you are just chating on a forum.