It's the social doctrine of tolerance. It only applies to those who practice it. Likewise those that support politics of violence aren't deserving of peace. That's not to say that some don't get too far out over their skis or are far too enthusiastic with labels and attacks. But the answer isn't to force their silence, proving them right. It's to prove them wrong your own actions. Which is where ptz/patric rightfully failed badly. There is no defense of them.
What do you mean unlike me? You don't even know me. Yes when it comes to the general election if it's a Republican and a Democrat facing off against each other I will always vote against the Republican in the most effective way I can. Which generally means voting for the Democrat. You really need to stop jumping to conclusions about people. It's a bad habit of yours. And completely non sequitur in this case. Just sort of nutty out of the blue accusations about things that weren't even being discussed.
I've voted for the Democrat in every Nationwide election since the mid-90s. For all the good it's done anyone.
Make no mistake, the current leadership and those in charge of the democratic party want nothing to do with you more than getting your vote either.
As to Mamdani shaking hands with trump. This is the problem with elected offices. You're elected to represent everyone under you. Not just those you agree with. Ironically Zoran has gotten more shit from those on the left since being elected, that he has from anyone else. Just because of the way he's been diplomatic and strategic about picking his battles. Leaving the NYPD largely intact. And trying to work with them Etc. People who would rather see him seriously provoking the toddler and his minions. Starting another battle on another front. Reducing the chance of Victory on all fronts simultaneously.
Zoron knows if it ever comes to a standoff with ice. He's going to need the NYPD. Even if they generally don't see eye to eye. By virtue of them all being new yorkers. They at least have that much in common and might stand with each other over invading fascists.
DSA candidates are 100% a threat to the Democrat Leadership class. Because of that I wish the DSA great success. Because they're actually in it for the right reasons generally. I may have some issues with aoc. But I will 100% support her in 28 if she runs.
DNC leadership is terrified they're still putting on a brave face for the moment. But it's extremely telling. How the party spends more time and effort attacking DSA than they do the fascists. They tend to get all buddy buddy with the fascists. Keep in mind I am differentiating from the General DNC from the base by talking about leadership positions. They 100% see the DSA as more of an enemy than the GOP.
No one that willingly watches that is independent. That channel is the antithesis. That said. A good message from the DSA on there going viral would stand to do a lot of damage to both Republican and Democrat parties. Though Republicans are too cocksure and drunk on their own power to perceive it that way.
Theoretically, yes. Realistically it's a much fuzzier picture unfortunately. They are far too cozy with them for my taste. When it comes to killing anarchist purposefully. I'm not sure if there are any others in the same league. With such a purposeful well defined history of it than leninist and their unthinking tanky brigades.
That said, when leninist have no control of anything. Outside of that lust for control. (Which liberals share to an extent) Their benign desires align better with anarchist than liberals generally. But it's only an illusion. I think db0 and several others there understand that. (Probably not unruffled) But optics wise I definitely don't see it shown much. Which is its own issue.
While many liberals goals might not aligned well with mine. The fact that extreme violence (imprisonment and murder) isn't their default state or desire. Can't be understated. Especially with the socially liberal and progressives. Those groups and I have plenty of overlap. Unfortunately one of them being having no power compared to neoliberals and liberals generally.
However, liberals inability to apply violence when necessary is also part of the reason the United States at least, is where it is. I see no issue wishing or using violence against those that employ it. As long as that division stays clear and necessary. Not turning everyone they disagree with into the enemy. Deserving imprisonment and death like the fascists or leninists do.
No worries. I keep hoping they come around eventually. Though I doubt imperative reaction will ever reform after all this. And that's a shame. I enjoyed the music and it made for a good synonym block in any set I did. Following up Necessary Response with Imperative Reaction. Kind of like the etiquette blocks where I would usually follow You Shriek with a little Shriekback. It's only polite after all.
Yep, it was never about just accepting what Democrats tepidly offered. Primary them every election, drive out the establishment. But keep the open fascists in the Republican party out of power at the same time. Democrats aren't good. Republicans are far worse.
People that seek power are those that generally should have none. That said, if others are going to force you to be subject to it. There's no reason not to make your voice heard. Working to keep the worst possible candidates from office. All while working to abolish electoralism ultimately.
If that's what you need to tell yourself. That isn't what was said. If you already have them imprisoned and at your will. Treating them with the basic humanity you might have felt denied is the ultimate power move and demonstration that you are better/benevolent. Rather than a new oligarch same as the old oligarch. It's got nothing to do with politeness. But wielding power with humanity and justice. Something impossible for a state to do really.
But good luck cheering on those for whom brutalization and oppression is a primary tool in their arsenal. So long as they're hurting the right people. Just like the magats here. Praying they don't become the right people despite always being the right people.
You should be. Showing that you can be as bad or worse than oligarchs. Doesn't defeat the oligarchs. It just creates new oligarchs. Ones who will just as happily give you the exact same treatment for the crime of disagreeing with them.
That's awesome. I really have fond memories of using BeOS back in the days. It's been a couple years. I probably really should give haiku another try. It sounds like it's getting close to being useful for a daily driver for a slightly techie person. One of the biggest stumbling blocks for a long time has been modern browsers. Web positive just isn't going to cut it.
Ain't it the truth. This is abominable treatment regardless of who's doing it. You can tell a lot about a society by how it treats those "outside". And those who hypocritically defend their abuse. Abuse isn't justice, and will not be a deterrent. But eventually another rallying cry.
Prison should only be for those beyond rehabilitation. Even then it should not be such conditions. Any person or society that tolerates it is not benevolent or "good".
Fair point and done.
It's the social doctrine of tolerance. It only applies to those who practice it. Likewise those that support politics of violence aren't deserving of peace. That's not to say that some don't get too far out over their skis or are far too enthusiastic with labels and attacks. But the answer isn't to force their silence, proving them right. It's to prove them wrong your own actions. Which is where ptz/patric rightfully failed badly. There is no defense of them.
Aaaw shit. The name just clicked. You are indeed correct.
Fauci is no stranger to this. He had to deal with that bigoted nut Reagan too.
This is the way.
What do you mean unlike me? You don't even know me. Yes when it comes to the general election if it's a Republican and a Democrat facing off against each other I will always vote against the Republican in the most effective way I can. Which generally means voting for the Democrat. You really need to stop jumping to conclusions about people. It's a bad habit of yours. And completely non sequitur in this case. Just sort of nutty out of the blue accusations about things that weren't even being discussed.
I've voted for the Democrat in every Nationwide election since the mid-90s. For all the good it's done anyone.
Make no mistake, the current leadership and those in charge of the democratic party want nothing to do with you more than getting your vote either.
As to Mamdani shaking hands with trump. This is the problem with elected offices. You're elected to represent everyone under you. Not just those you agree with. Ironically Zoran has gotten more shit from those on the left since being elected, that he has from anyone else. Just because of the way he's been diplomatic and strategic about picking his battles. Leaving the NYPD largely intact. And trying to work with them Etc. People who would rather see him seriously provoking the toddler and his minions. Starting another battle on another front. Reducing the chance of Victory on all fronts simultaneously.
Zoron knows if it ever comes to a standoff with ice. He's going to need the NYPD. Even if they generally don't see eye to eye. By virtue of them all being new yorkers. They at least have that much in common and might stand with each other over invading fascists.
DSA candidates are 100% a threat to the Democrat Leadership class. Because of that I wish the DSA great success. Because they're actually in it for the right reasons generally. I may have some issues with aoc. But I will 100% support her in 28 if she runs.
DNC leadership is terrified they're still putting on a brave face for the moment. But it's extremely telling. How the party spends more time and effort attacking DSA than they do the fascists. They tend to get all buddy buddy with the fascists. Keep in mind I am differentiating from the General DNC from the base by talking about leadership positions. They 100% see the DSA as more of an enemy than the GOP.
No one that willingly watches that is independent. That channel is the antithesis. That said. A good message from the DSA on there going viral would stand to do a lot of damage to both Republican and Democrat parties. Though Republicans are too cocksure and drunk on their own power to perceive it that way.
Theoretically, yes. Realistically it's a much fuzzier picture unfortunately. They are far too cozy with them for my taste. When it comes to killing anarchist purposefully. I'm not sure if there are any others in the same league. With such a purposeful well defined history of it than leninist and their unthinking tanky brigades.
That said, when leninist have no control of anything. Outside of that lust for control. (Which liberals share to an extent) Their benign desires align better with anarchist than liberals generally. But it's only an illusion. I think db0 and several others there understand that. (Probably not unruffled) But optics wise I definitely don't see it shown much. Which is its own issue.
While many liberals goals might not aligned well with mine. The fact that extreme violence (imprisonment and murder) isn't their default state or desire. Can't be understated. Especially with the socially liberal and progressives. Those groups and I have plenty of overlap. Unfortunately one of them being having no power compared to neoliberals and liberals generally.
However, liberals inability to apply violence when necessary is also part of the reason the United States at least, is where it is. I see no issue wishing or using violence against those that employ it. As long as that division stays clear and necessary. Not turning everyone they disagree with into the enemy. Deserving imprisonment and death like the fascists or leninists do.
No worries. I keep hoping they come around eventually. Though I doubt imperative reaction will ever reform after all this. And that's a shame. I enjoyed the music and it made for a good synonym block in any set I did. Following up Necessary Response with Imperative Reaction. Kind of like the etiquette blocks where I would usually follow You Shriek with a little Shriekback. It's only polite after all.
Yep, it was never about just accepting what Democrats tepidly offered. Primary them every election, drive out the establishment. But keep the open fascists in the Republican party out of power at the same time. Democrats aren't good. Republicans are far worse.
People that seek power are those that generally should have none. That said, if others are going to force you to be subject to it. There's no reason not to make your voice heard. Working to keep the worst possible candidates from office. All while working to abolish electoralism ultimately.
If that's what you need to tell yourself. That isn't what was said. If you already have them imprisoned and at your will. Treating them with the basic humanity you might have felt denied is the ultimate power move and demonstration that you are better/benevolent. Rather than a new oligarch same as the old oligarch. It's got nothing to do with politeness. But wielding power with humanity and justice. Something impossible for a state to do really.
But good luck cheering on those for whom brutalization and oppression is a primary tool in their arsenal. So long as they're hurting the right people. Just like the magats here. Praying they don't become the right people despite always being the right people.
You should be. Showing that you can be as bad or worse than oligarchs. Doesn't defeat the oligarchs. It just creates new oligarchs. Ones who will just as happily give you the exact same treatment for the crime of disagreeing with them.
That's awesome. I really have fond memories of using BeOS back in the days. It's been a couple years. I probably really should give haiku another try. It sounds like it's getting close to being useful for a daily driver for a slightly techie person. One of the biggest stumbling blocks for a long time has been modern browsers. Web positive just isn't going to cut it.
So is construction and community building. Better even.
Ain't it the truth. This is abominable treatment regardless of who's doing it. You can tell a lot about a society by how it treats those "outside". And those who hypocritically defend their abuse. Abuse isn't justice, and will not be a deterrent. But eventually another rallying cry.
Prison should only be for those beyond rehabilitation. Even then it should not be such conditions. Any person or society that tolerates it is not benevolent or "good".
No. But regulations and laws are meaningless with a complicit Congress.
Always go with the sabo.