I once knew a girl in high school who I, in a rare moment of boldness while we were away from prying eyes, asked if she would be my girlfriend. She had been my friend for a short while and she fucking chuckled immediately in response, almost instinctively and said "No, sorry.". My autistic ass did not exactly immediately understand why she laughed until I ruminated later.
That said, she seemed to be very friendly with me afterward, like maybe she felt bad and still liked me as a friend... And despite feeling hurt by the way she responded I still hung out with her every once in a while. She eventually got a hot confident boyfriend, because she was also hot. And I kind of started avoiding her because it hurt seeing her with a guy who I felt clearly was better than me, caused me to spiral into self loathing when I saw him. I did not know I was autistic, I just knew I was an infamously weird dork.
Fast forward ~11 years later I stumble into her and she looks like shes a different and much sadder person. I don't want to body shame but she looked a lot worse and I was no longer particularly attracted to her, she was ok looking. She was going on about a recent break up with a guy who she said cheated on her to the bartender.
Now I'm polyamorous, and I legit don't understand and actively dislike monogamy, but obviously I have a faint idea of how painful being cheated on would feel like, and she seemed super sad and I felt bad for her. After talking with her and catching up a little for like 20 minutes, she drunkenly tried to make out with me.
I got away from her and the internal anger I felt was supremely intense. Like, what the actual fuck, fuck you. You fucking said no and now that you're washed up and depressed about your ex using me as a fall back.
I cannot describe the feeling of grief flare as well. Like, maybe if she had said yes back then. Maybe I could of had a normal romantic experience as a high schooler instead of being what I was. Sure maybe also wouldn't have worked out like most relationships, but still. I was a really lonely fucked up high schooler with a completely empty romantic life. Just a void.
I'm doing better now romantically but I was also still having trouble getting any romance at this point in my life even 11 year later. I was still painfully lonely. But the absolute bitterness I felt toward her made even pity for her out the fucking window for me and my desperation for any intimacy dried up instantly in that moment.
Part of me wonders if I should have just gone for it and I was being petty. I don't know. It just makes me kind of sad to think about.
I thought he was playing a character before he ran for president in 2016. Like I never watched The Apprentice, but I saw ads for it and I figured he was just playing an exaggerated asshole clown of a boss.
If Trump had run and won as a democrat in 2016, I probably would have intensely disliked him like I did Biden and HRC, but not hated him like I do now because the democratic party would have steered him in very different ways than the GOP has.
I largely now hate his voters and hope they suffer far more than I hate Trump. Nothing but antipathy for them.
I think their point was that dating apps do the opposite. They show you only a trickle of what you actually want, then barely or never show your profile with them, and spend a huge amount of time showing you ads and asking you to pay them to see all your likes.
They want you there as long as possible, and then they want you frustrated and desperate enough to just pay the ransom for the likes your profile already generated. They're evil.
Not every instance of this is social incompetence.
Many men who do this are fishing for the specific type of woman who likes it when a guy compliments her body and wants to fuck her. The guy will take 10-20 no's but eventually find the 1 yes.
A lot of men are sexually ravenous and direct. There is a reason a lot of gay men just fuck all of the goddamned time. They have sex first, then they get to know each other afterward.
Men want to have a real conversation with a real human being, its just that if they're attracted to them they just would prefer to do that after nutting in said human being. Clears their mind.
The whole deal with self driving cars being preferable to them is two fold: Auto Industry interests & being afraid of and uncomfortable being in the presence of poor people on public transportation.
Because of guilt, alienation from them ("poor people are only interested in my money"), and disgust.
Wait, I wanted to back up to something you said earlier in this conversation because something dawned on me:
The thing is that your own life is affected by their decision.
What do you mean by this? Was this a refutation of what I said there? Because I know their decision affected my life. Do you think this means I should help them? If so, why?
You see why I took note of the circularity of your beliefs?
I don't relate to the individual you are describing if you are using that to describe what you think I believe. I'm not aiming to enact violence. I'm aiming to flee it and tell other's to try and avoid it. To seek safer spaces. On my selfish side I'm just trying to live the best life I can. One my moral philosophy side I'm advocating to minimize societally induced harm to every individual (if a tad over simplification).
Hell, this very critique you've produced could be levied at authoritarian leftists. Who'd enthusiastically agree that violence is necessary to achieve and maintain their goals and point at liberalism and insist they do the exact same thing.
You did say you were from the core, didn’t you?
While its made a difference I'm sure in making me who I am, this doesn't refute my points or beliefs.
Its all just a nationalist talking point, but "from the other side". Racial/ethnic animus as a political hammer. I don't respect it.
Last lesson for real this time, you can take it or leave it.
I will always "take it". But not in the way you might want me to.
"lesson" You have a high opinion of yourself.
I suppose I also do have a high opinion of myself in my own way, but unlike you I have a ravenous intellectual hunger for philosophical refutation of my own ideas that lemmy and for that matter most people refuse to give me. I legitimately am baffled why you don't tear apart my posts piece by piece despite your confidence in your own beliefs. I don't relate. I revel in chewing through everyone else's ideas. When I find beliefs that fundamentally challenge mine at a deep rational level, its a thing to be celebrated. Its a meal. When I run across someone who is just wrong, I also at least get the catharsis of raging at their stupidity and evil.
At this point I know you don't avoid my points because you lack energy to do so.
In you I see someone who may earnestly believe what they say but is afraid to consider things that might fracture or damage their existing beliefs. In order to refute my points, you have to actually consider them...
My better pre-2024 self didn't view political salvation through lesser evil electoralism on its own. Its one component of a multipart strategy. An important part but not the only one.
Voting third party is a waste because its simply a bet on a completely unrealistic outcome. Its like having voter's collectively buying a lottery ticket, with the added risk of total financial ruin.
Further, the green party only pops up during general presidential elections. They then disappear off the map every other year. They aren't a serious political project at best and a engineered spoiler at worst.
But whatever, we're litigating something that legitimately no longer matters.
Also, Xenofeminism is not on the the same wavelength as liberalism or liberal feminism. Liberal feminism is deontological in nature, obsessed with rights and duties. Liberal Feminism fits snuggly in capitalist realism.
Xenofeminism is closer to anarcho-feminism, but with the addition of hope for a technologically induced gender and sexual singularity of sorts and ontological anti-naturalism. The only area where I'm somewhat iffy on is its stance on alienation. It itself is "accelerationist" where as I'm more humanitarian.
If we look at your profile more, we can see how deep this goes. Ecofascists tend to apply anti-natalism, and apathetic or doomer language to their futurities because it naturalizes the violence that is needed to maintain a capitalist, liberal system before it has happened while salvaging the perceived morality of its subscribers by constructing it as a result of the innate impurity of humanity rather than an imaginary future built from very specific values and assumptions. The kicker with your profile is the term “xenofeminist,” which draws specifically on technological posthumanism in its criticism of gender and heteronormativity. For those unaware, posthumanism is meant to effectively decenter humans (and therefore, settler-colonial norms that commodify the entire material world and all life in it) but more often reproduces liberal narratives where settler-colonialism, capitalism, and imperialism are natural human behaviours and that humanity is unretrievable from that impure nature save for the intentional transformation of the species (I hope I don’t have to explain more how this easily results in eugenicist arguments).
What a petulantly hostile and delusional meta-narrative laden analysis.
I'm an anti-natalist because I think it is unjust to bring someone into existence inherently. No one consents to being born. The "soft" is mostly to do with the fact that under certain theoretical societal conditions and acknowledgment by parents that they owe an eternal unpayable debt to their child I can see it as at least a forgivable grey act that can maybe lead to more good things than bad things if handled with great care.
I myself wish I was not born. I love my mom, she's overall a good person for the most part, but shit... giving birth to me and my siblings was really fucked up of her.
I’m not an ecofascist. Ecofascism implies malthusian beliefs. Which is a collectivist idea: that individuals shouldn't be born to protect society. This not what I am and its clear that's what you prefer to see since you think in terms of naratives. I am an anti-natalist in order to protect the very individuals that would be born into existence itself. Greater societies can honestly get fucked if they rely on the suffering of individuals within them to exist. Societies and cultures themselves are not conscious entities, they are not morally equivalent to a person.
Also this re-occurring idea that I am "apathetic"... just fuck you. I am the way that I am because I have historically cared too much. And I’m fucking tired of caring. I still do and very much would like to stop caring but can’t. I'm in a mixed state of the anger stage and acceptance stage of grief. FUCK YOU.
A vacuum decay event would be an arguably humanitarian event. No more suffering. No more births. No more pain. No more inequity. No more petulant stupidity. Its not doomer to want an eternal peace for all.
Of course I "wish" for it with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I and many others already exist: the pandora's box is open. And a future where I and many others do not exist is a lovecraftian horror, but I am indeed doomed to it. We all are. One day no one you know will be alive. If we could all live forever in peace and pleasure of course I'd prefer that, but I'm not delusional enough to think that will happen. Maybe ripping off the bandaid would be for the best if it’d prevent more people being born.
So, you’ve managed to create a narrative that, while apparently attempting to challenge or criticize fascist ideals, subscribes heavily to fascist historical narratives where the suffering and even eradication of particular groups is inevitable and in service of a more prosperous future for all, liberal constructions and relationalities of the material world that ultimately views any world that isn’t beholden to human desires (including humanity as a species) as not one worth existing in, and explicitly discounts the death and suffering of racialized groups in the US that have historically been the targets of genocide for centuries.
Fascists believe in a mystic occult ideals that their race or ethnicity as well as their land are supernaturally important. Fascists do not give a shit about people living lives worth living. That is not compatible with your analysis.
All of this while removing yourself from any sense of responsibility, since you cannot change the entire system by your will, and are powerless over the trajectory of these political and cultural developments and attributing guilt to some other group of people who also do not wield substantial power in this system and who subscribe to political action rooted in the same sense of inevitability, except in service of abolishing liberalism instead of maintaining it
I don't really believe in free will. My blame of accelerationists is, if I take a lack of free will to an logical conclusion, simply a source of catharsis at this point. Me screaming into the void to feel something other than despair. Rage is preferable to despair.
So this "responsibility" talking point is intellectually a dead end for me.
But even if I did believe in free will and responsibility, in so far int those frameworks how am I responsible? I never choose to be born remember. I don’t owe you shit. You don’t owe me shit.
Are people born with an “original sin” of social responsibility?
A crucial element in liberal complicity with fascism as well as how many of them advocate for ecofascism is that learned helplessness that only views total, nearly baptismal change in a liberal system as the only goal worth struggling for. For many privileged liberals who are unused to fighting, the end of the world is preferable to struggling to achieve less than utopia. Whether you want to or not, you have apparently adopted fascism into your imagination of the future.
I would not describe my life as a privileged one. But if it is, than holy shit that just intensifies my belief that life is hell and I'm just in a slightly less firey part of it. That doesn't exactly inspire me to think I ought to advocate people suffer more for the small chance of a slightly less shit existence.
Again though, that's not fascism. Its really hard to believe you exist in the same reality as me when you keep describing these things as fascist. I'd say you aren't being good faith, but this post is too prolific for that. You are probably just lost in the sauce.
I don’t fit into whatever “accelerationis,” is supposed to be, so please skip that as a response (and do not feel the need to respond at all), but I am deeply troubled by the amount of liberals I see who are going full fascist because of their disillusionment with this system; as though that isn’t the strategy that Democrats have adopted. Since I actually am in groups that fascists target and have been targetted by them my entire life, I’m understandably motivated to point out this kind of hypocrisy as I run into very many liberals who claim to know better for my people while siding with groups who want murder before anything else.
If you think that it doesn't matter which party wins, what is your motivation to even bother with the voting discourse at all? Why do you fucking care?
I don't understand what you are trying to achieve. Are you trying to do apologia for non-voting in 2024? Are you trying to guilt trip me into fighting and dying? Which one?
I’d say you could really stick it to me by voting red but then I cannot invest emotionally in trying to change people’s minds on voting. Eventually, I’m just going to vote blue for self interest and general harm reduction and shut up about it. I’ve learned my lesson: I can’t change people’s minds and get them to vote, so I’ll stop wasting energy trying to do that. In that sense your side has won.
edit: Also, I want to make it clear that the intent here isn’t to single you out as an intentionally and irredeemably evil deceiver, but to demonstrate to you as well as other liberals how the worldview that you have been socialised to believe has primed you to adopt fascistic thinking even when you do not want to be a fascist. Liberalism and fascism are inextricably linked because they have the same ideological underpinnings of humanity’s value and relationship with the material world. People who believe liberalism is inherently about democracy and acceptance, as they have been taught to believe, are not going to interrogate why that system has not produced an equal and benevolent society and therefore often conclude it is because it is not possible.
Except what you’ve described and what I actually am is not fascism. Neither is of them are fascism. What you’ve described is a smug malthusian liberal, shitty but not fascism. What I actually am is more of a despairing consequentialist turned cynical bitter egoist trying to not go insane.
Now that you’ve tried analysis of me as as you have, let me try: Your entire belief system is seemingly structured like a fairy tale. A grand narrative to justify suffering and pain. Motivated reasoning more or less akin to what religious people engage with. You condemn people for not jumping into fight the torment nexus for fear of falling into it. You think individuals owe the collective something when its the other way around. You chastise people for not being sufficiently virtuous and self-sacrificing and for seeking a better life away from the bullshit.
What a fascinating comment. Liberal apathy, “it doesn’t matter, the violence is inevitable,” combined with some projected guilt onto a group of people not present in this post “accelerationists.”
You are clearly fascinated given the length of your response. However you are seeing in me what you want to see.
If you think consequentialism makes me a liberal you don't know what those words mean.
That said, I actually somewhat respect a long and thorough response, assuming its in good faith. I feel like what I’ve got here is somewhat of a mixed bag from you.
Could you explain how accepting that fascist Dems will enact this violence and making decisions that require that violence to happen to make sense does not qualify as “accelerationism” in the vague way it is applied here?
Because that's not what accelerationism is. Maybe you aren't an accelerationist, maybe you're just aligned with them or an apologist for them.
I normally wouldn’t comment on this because, honestly, it’s usually pointless for me, but this comment along with your profile provides a great example of how liberals subscribe to fascism. It’s worth noting that liberals historically get away with writing off “red states” because of the incredible wealth inequality between them (deserved in these narratives, of course, for their moral impurity of supporting the bad fascist party instead of the good fascist party despite everyone’s purported understanding that the Republican party is predatory and anti-democratic) and the disproportionate African American population there relative to many “blue states.”
This isn't fascism that you are describing. You are using the word to suit your purposes here. What you are describing is also not reality, liberals "write off" red states for many reasons. I'm going to avoid wasting my time listing them because I'm sure you are already aware of them and I am not a liberal. But also because "writing off" itself is a pretty broad thing and I'm not entirely sure in what way you are using the phrase.
Now, personally as an individual, I write off red states because they are full of petulantly stupid fucking people who hate me and people I love. I live in a fucking red state at the moment because I grew up here, I've lived all over the same shitty red state for almost 90% of my life and its absolutely filled to the brim with awful fucking people. And even in its blue/purple areas, (which I live at now) most of the people here are subconsciously tied to conservative social beliefs, even the good ones. I'm exhausted by it. I'm going to get the fuck out of this hell hole if it fucking kills me, largely because it already is killing me. I feel like I’ve wasted so many years trying to live here.
To prescribe “running” as a solution to genocide and socioeconomic disparity is, quite frankly, cruel; especially so if you consider how Native American and indigenous nations within US borders came to settle and survive where they are today. To suggest that the people who stay either to fight or live with their kin and land instead of run are absolutely powerless to defend themselves is about as clear of a settler-colonial imagination of history and human life that you can ask for.
People are not land. To connect land to people is far more fascistic in my mind. Borders are stupid.
If you live among people who refuse to flee with you, they are probably traditionalist or conservative. Afraid of change, that is their burden not burden of the person wanting to flee. The individual caught in a web of traditionalist native culture against a fascistic external machine owes neither party their loyalty, no one chooses to be born. Thus if anything, individuals are owed a debt for being brought into existence.
I do not owe these people to stay and fight. I'm not defined by the land I grew up on.
Really long story:
I once knew a girl in high school who I, in a rare moment of boldness while we were away from prying eyes, asked if she would be my girlfriend. She had been my friend for a short while and she fucking chuckled immediately in response, almost instinctively and said "No, sorry.". My autistic ass did not exactly immediately understand why she laughed until I ruminated later.
That said, she seemed to be very friendly with me afterward, like maybe she felt bad and still liked me as a friend... And despite feeling hurt by the way she responded I still hung out with her every once in a while. She eventually got a hot confident boyfriend, because she was also hot. And I kind of started avoiding her because it hurt seeing her with a guy who I felt clearly was better than me, caused me to spiral into self loathing when I saw him. I did not know I was autistic, I just knew I was an infamously weird dork.
Fast forward ~11 years later I stumble into her and she looks like shes a different and much sadder person. I don't want to body shame but she looked a lot worse and I was no longer particularly attracted to her, she was ok looking. She was going on about a recent break up with a guy who she said cheated on her to the bartender.
Now I'm polyamorous, and I legit don't understand and actively dislike monogamy, but obviously I have a faint idea of how painful being cheated on would feel like, and she seemed super sad and I felt bad for her. After talking with her and catching up a little for like 20 minutes, she drunkenly tried to make out with me.
I got away from her and the internal anger I felt was supremely intense. Like, what the actual fuck, fuck you. You fucking said no and now that you're washed up and depressed about your ex using me as a fall back.
I cannot describe the feeling of grief flare as well. Like, maybe if she had said yes back then. Maybe I could of had a normal romantic experience as a high schooler instead of being what I was. Sure maybe also wouldn't have worked out like most relationships, but still. I was a really lonely fucked up high schooler with a completely empty romantic life. Just a void.
I'm doing better now romantically but I was also still having trouble getting any romance at this point in my life even 11 year later. I was still painfully lonely. But the absolute bitterness I felt toward her made even pity for her out the fucking window for me and my desperation for any intimacy dried up instantly in that moment.
Part of me wonders if I should have just gone for it and I was being petty. I don't know. It just makes me kind of sad to think about.
I thought he was playing a character before he ran for president in 2016. Like I never watched The Apprentice, but I saw ads for it and I figured he was just playing an exaggerated asshole clown of a boss.
If Trump had run and won as a democrat in 2016, I probably would have intensely disliked him like I did Biden and HRC, but not hated him like I do now because the democratic party would have steered him in very different ways than the GOP has.
I largely now hate his voters and hope they suffer far more than I hate Trump. Nothing but antipathy for them.
Just the custom level editor. Game Engine is still Frostbite.
I want to know if I'm on it and work 15 hours today between 2 jobs. Could someone check for me?
I think their point was that dating apps do the opposite. They show you only a trickle of what you actually want, then barely or never show your profile with them, and spend a huge amount of time showing you ads and asking you to pay them to see all your likes.
They want you there as long as possible, and then they want you frustrated and desperate enough to just pay the ransom for the likes your profile already generated. They're evil.
Aw shit am I outing my age when I say "pupper" god damn it.
Not every instance of this is social incompetence.
Many men who do this are fishing for the specific type of woman who likes it when a guy compliments her body and wants to fuck her. The guy will take 10-20 no's but eventually find the 1 yes.
A lot of men are sexually ravenous and direct. There is a reason a lot of gay men just fuck all of the goddamned time. They have sex first, then they get to know each other afterward.
Men want to have a real conversation with a real human being, its just that if they're attracted to them they just would prefer to do that after nutting in said human being. Clears their mind.
I wish I was gayer.
I think I need to read Kafka. I'm increasingly finding that I relate to him a lot.
I aim to be alive but I also probably will be risking alcohol poisoning that day so who knows if I see the next day.
Get into a forever video game. Those are great for clearing your mind.
You might end up spending just as much money if it has microtransactions but at least you wont be directly hurting the environment.
The whole deal with self driving cars being preferable to them is two fold: Auto Industry interests & being afraid of and uncomfortable being in the presence of poor people on public transportation.
Because of guilt, alienation from them ("poor people are only interested in my money"), and disgust.
Wait, I wanted to back up to something you said earlier in this conversation because something dawned on me:
What do you mean by this? Was this a refutation of what I said there? Because I know their decision affected my life. Do you think this means I should help them? If so, why?
I don't relate to the individual you are describing if you are using that to describe what you think I believe. I'm not aiming to enact violence. I'm aiming to flee it and tell other's to try and avoid it. To seek safer spaces. On my selfish side I'm just trying to live the best life I can. One my moral philosophy side I'm advocating to minimize societally induced harm to every individual (if a tad over simplification).
Hell, this very critique you've produced could be levied at authoritarian leftists. Who'd enthusiastically agree that violence is necessary to achieve and maintain their goals and point at liberalism and insist they do the exact same thing.
While its made a difference I'm sure in making me who I am, this doesn't refute my points or beliefs.
Its all just a nationalist talking point, but "from the other side". Racial/ethnic animus as a political hammer. I don't respect it.
I will always "take it". But not in the way you might want me to.
"lesson" You have a high opinion of yourself.
I suppose I also do have a high opinion of myself in my own way, but unlike you I have a ravenous intellectual hunger for philosophical refutation of my own ideas that lemmy and for that matter most people refuse to give me. I legitimately am baffled why you don't tear apart my posts piece by piece despite your confidence in your own beliefs. I don't relate. I revel in chewing through everyone else's ideas. When I find beliefs that fundamentally challenge mine at a deep rational level, its a thing to be celebrated. Its a meal. When I run across someone who is just wrong, I also at least get the catharsis of raging at their stupidity and evil.
At this point I know you don't avoid my points because you lack energy to do so.
In you I see someone who may earnestly believe what they say but is afraid to consider things that might fracture or damage their existing beliefs. In order to refute my points, you have to actually consider them...
My better pre-2024 self didn't view political salvation through lesser evil electoralism on its own. Its one component of a multipart strategy. An important part but not the only one.
Voting third party is a waste because its simply a bet on a completely unrealistic outcome. Its like having voter's collectively buying a lottery ticket, with the added risk of total financial ruin.
Further, the green party only pops up during general presidential elections. They then disappear off the map every other year. They aren't a serious political project at best and a engineered spoiler at worst.
But whatever, we're litigating something that legitimately no longer matters.
If my relationship with material reality is weak, your questions wont save me. For all I know you're not real shrugs.
I imagine that's not what you meant though. Maybe you are talking about axioms? Analysis structures?
So you want to dump your ideas onto me without rationally defending them. Doesn't seem like you engaged with me much at all in the first place.
Than those people definitely don't deserve my help.
Do you know what "First Past The Post" means?
Also, Xenofeminism is not on the the same wavelength as liberalism or liberal feminism. Liberal feminism is deontological in nature, obsessed with rights and duties. Liberal Feminism fits snuggly in capitalist realism.
Xenofeminism is closer to anarcho-feminism, but with the addition of hope for a technologically induced gender and sexual singularity of sorts and ontological anti-naturalism. The only area where I'm somewhat iffy on is its stance on alienation. It itself is "accelerationist" where as I'm more humanitarian.
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What a petulantly hostile and delusional meta-narrative laden analysis.
I'm an anti-natalist because I think it is unjust to bring someone into existence inherently. No one consents to being born. The "soft" is mostly to do with the fact that under certain theoretical societal conditions and acknowledgment by parents that they owe an eternal unpayable debt to their child I can see it as at least a forgivable grey act that can maybe lead to more good things than bad things if handled with great care.
I myself wish I was not born. I love my mom, she's overall a good person for the most part, but shit... giving birth to me and my siblings was really fucked up of her.
I’m not an ecofascist. Ecofascism implies malthusian beliefs. Which is a collectivist idea: that individuals shouldn't be born to protect society. This not what I am and its clear that's what you prefer to see since you think in terms of naratives. I am an anti-natalist in order to protect the very individuals that would be born into existence itself. Greater societies can honestly get fucked if they rely on the suffering of individuals within them to exist. Societies and cultures themselves are not conscious entities, they are not morally equivalent to a person.
Also this re-occurring idea that I am "apathetic"... just fuck you. I am the way that I am because I have historically cared too much. And I’m fucking tired of caring. I still do and very much would like to stop caring but can’t. I'm in a mixed state of the anger stage and acceptance stage of grief. FUCK YOU.
A vacuum decay event would be an arguably humanitarian event. No more suffering. No more births. No more pain. No more inequity. No more petulant stupidity. Its not doomer to want an eternal peace for all.
Of course I "wish" for it with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I and many others already exist: the pandora's box is open. And a future where I and many others do not exist is a lovecraftian horror, but I am indeed doomed to it. We all are. One day no one you know will be alive. If we could all live forever in peace and pleasure of course I'd prefer that, but I'm not delusional enough to think that will happen. Maybe ripping off the bandaid would be for the best if it’d prevent more people being born.
Fascists believe in a mystic occult ideals that their race or ethnicity as well as their land are supernaturally important. Fascists do not give a shit about people living lives worth living. That is not compatible with your analysis.
I don't really believe in free will. My blame of accelerationists is, if I take a lack of free will to an logical conclusion, simply a source of catharsis at this point. Me screaming into the void to feel something other than despair. Rage is preferable to despair.
So this "responsibility" talking point is intellectually a dead end for me.
But even if I did believe in free will and responsibility, in so far int those frameworks how am I responsible? I never choose to be born remember. I don’t owe you shit. You don’t owe me shit.
Are people born with an “original sin” of social responsibility?
I would not describe my life as a privileged one. But if it is, than holy shit that just intensifies my belief that life is hell and I'm just in a slightly less firey part of it. That doesn't exactly inspire me to think I ought to advocate people suffer more for the small chance of a slightly less shit existence.
Again though, that's not fascism. Its really hard to believe you exist in the same reality as me when you keep describing these things as fascist. I'd say you aren't being good faith, but this post is too prolific for that. You are probably just lost in the sauce.
If you think that it doesn't matter which party wins, what is your motivation to even bother with the voting discourse at all? Why do you fucking care?
I don't understand what you are trying to achieve. Are you trying to do apologia for non-voting in 2024? Are you trying to guilt trip me into fighting and dying? Which one?
I’d say you could really stick it to me by voting red but then I cannot invest emotionally in trying to change people’s minds on voting. Eventually, I’m just going to vote blue for self interest and general harm reduction and shut up about it. I’ve learned my lesson: I can’t change people’s minds and get them to vote, so I’ll stop wasting energy trying to do that. In that sense your side has won.
Except what you’ve described and what I actually am is not fascism. Neither is of them are fascism. What you’ve described is a smug malthusian liberal, shitty but not fascism. What I actually am is more of a despairing consequentialist turned cynical bitter egoist trying to not go insane.
Now that you’ve tried analysis of me as as you have, let me try: Your entire belief system is seemingly structured like a fairy tale. A grand narrative to justify suffering and pain. Motivated reasoning more or less akin to what religious people engage with. You condemn people for not jumping into fight the torment nexus for fear of falling into it. You think individuals owe the collective something when its the other way around. You chastise people for not being sufficiently virtuous and self-sacrificing and for seeking a better life away from the bullshit.
Split response due to character limits.
You are clearly fascinated given the length of your response. However you are seeing in me what you want to see.
If you think consequentialism makes me a liberal you don't know what those words mean.
That said, I actually somewhat respect a long and thorough response, assuming its in good faith. I feel like what I’ve got here is somewhat of a mixed bag from you.
Because that's not what accelerationism is. Maybe you aren't an accelerationist, maybe you're just aligned with them or an apologist for them.
This isn't fascism that you are describing. You are using the word to suit your purposes here. What you are describing is also not reality, liberals "write off" red states for many reasons. I'm going to avoid wasting my time listing them because I'm sure you are already aware of them and I am not a liberal. But also because "writing off" itself is a pretty broad thing and I'm not entirely sure in what way you are using the phrase.
Now, personally as an individual, I write off red states because they are full of petulantly stupid fucking people who hate me and people I love. I live in a fucking red state at the moment because I grew up here, I've lived all over the same shitty red state for almost 90% of my life and its absolutely filled to the brim with awful fucking people. And even in its blue/purple areas, (which I live at now) most of the people here are subconsciously tied to conservative social beliefs, even the good ones. I'm exhausted by it. I'm going to get the fuck out of this hell hole if it fucking kills me, largely because it already is killing me. I feel like I’ve wasted so many years trying to live here.
People are not land. To connect land to people is far more fascistic in my mind. Borders are stupid.
If you live among people who refuse to flee with you, they are probably traditionalist or conservative. Afraid of change, that is their burden not burden of the person wanting to flee. The individual caught in a web of traditionalist native culture against a fascistic external machine owes neither party their loyalty, no one chooses to be born. Thus if anything, individuals are owed a debt for being brought into existence.
I do not owe these people to stay and fight. I'm not defined by the land I grew up on.