The claim that people would like him if he was not a republican is one of the stupider pieces of cope they’ve come up with. They also like to use the stupid “TDS“ thing to claim that people just hate Trump arbitrarily, as if we can’t list 50 different horrible things he’s done and things about him that make him completely unfit for the office.
The claim that people would like him if he was not a republican is one of the stupider pieces of cope they’ve come up with.
From their perspective, it makes sense. They hate Democrats because they're Democrats. And if one of them switches sides to become a Republican, they'll suddenly find excuses for them, forgive everything they've ever done, and support them no matter what.
They're so baked in tribalism that they can't understand disliking a politician for any other reason. So they think of course things would be reversed if he was part of the other tribe. They, of course, would instantly hate him if he became a Democrat.
It's not just cope. It's that these people are so surrealistically stupid and lack all sense of curiosity that many legitimately don't know a fucking thing about the guy they voted to be the most powerful figure on the planet. So they think we must be acting unreasonable to hate him so much.
I mean a common phrase among them leading up to 2016 was "he'll run it like a business" because they were entirely unaware that the dipshit has driven every business venture he's ever attempted into the ground except for real estate because a monkey could be successful at real estate if it inherits a bunch of its daddy's money and real estate.
I've said for a long time that the primary means of American education is advertising. He was advertised as a competent businessman on TV, and so that's what a lot of Americans believe. The guy's a walking advertisement. A flim-flam man.
He wins because he's the best at lying in a country that prizes lying for money as the best skill set one can possess.
If anything, Biden Derangement Syndrome was absolutely a thing. MAGAts were so incredibly panicked about Biden when he was an entirely milquetoast, middle-of-the road Democrat. Do even they argue that Trump is just another Republican? I can’t see how anyone could.
They act that way any time a Democrat is president. They're terrified the Dem will do a good job and leave a good legacy and positive reputation, so they pretty much flip out. They did it over Clinton - spread and amplified all sorts of rumors then investigated him for years until they finally found something to impeach him for. And then, Obama, obviously. Trump himself is still freaking the fuck out about Obama and it's been a decade since he was in office.
This is the key point. It's why "every accusation is a confession" works so often. They are accusing others of the things they themselves are doing, because they assume everyone is doing it.
Whenever someone brings up "believing in science" remind them that science isn’t a matter of belief, it's a matter of understanding. The world is the way it is whether you "believe" in it or not. The world is the way it is whether you understand it or not, and life is a lot easier when you understand the world around you.
Because they are willing to dig in their heels and reject evidence that doesn't fit their worldview, they assume that science-minded people are the same. They don't understand how "receive new data" and "refine or revise hypothesis" are important parts of the process. If they incorporated those steps, their belief system would implode.
It's easier on their hamster brains that way. Means they don't have to worry about doing any homework.
Ironically, when it comes to actual sports, they'll get on some Good Willing Hunting shit and go ultra deep into player stats and coaching strategies. Probably the only time I've ever heard one not sound like a complete idiot.
The Democratic Party has its Gavin Newsoms and Joe Manchins and Michael Bloombergs and Anthony Weiners aplenty.
No shortage of Democrats on the Lolita Express. No shortage of liberal billionaires hungry for another war in the Middle East, another trillion dollar data center spend on public land, or another Bay of Pigs on Cuba.
None of Trump's politics are unique to Trump. We've got shitty little fascists crawling all over the country, from the bluest cities of Washington and Minnesota to the reddest oil fields of Texas and Wyoming. If anything, the latest wave of Silicon Valley "Network State" fucks have been more concentrated in liberal districts. And their money has produced a wave of horrifyingly bad liberal politicians who are as much responsible for the Obama->Trump party slump as any QAnon club.
Wasn't there an interview from like the 80s were he said if he ran for president he would run repub cause they were idiots and he could trick them easily?
He was talking about fetterman, but yes trump said that and why he switched from dem to republican. Hes also said (and was correct) that dems are far better for the economy as well.
Two, really. Fetterman's the one that keeps showing up on reactionary news media to talk shit. But Shapiro's been taking his own turn as an avowed Zionist, a corporate sleaze, and a reactionary fearmonger whenever he's had the opportunity.
Republicans aren't the root of every problem we're facing today, but I'd bet a lot of money that they're probably responsible for the majority of them.
Political brain rot is believing people dislike Trump solely because he's a Republican.
That's the fundamental problem with American politics. Too many people treat it like team sports: I have to defend my side no matter what.
No, you don't.
You don't owe a political party your loyalty. Parties are tools, not identities. If your own side does something wrong, or even something you consider objectively immoral, you should be willing to say so. Blind partisanship isn't a virtue; it's the abandonment of independent judgment.
For you. I see Dems constantly glazing Obama. Who, while not as bad as trump, was pretty fucking bad in a "it's like Bush never left" kind of way. Affiliation is all that matters to a stunning number of people.
He ordered almost 600 drone strikes in 7 different countries, hitting weddings schools and hospitals and killing scores of civilians. He renewed the patriot act, escalated the domestic spying program, maintained the CIA black site torture program, and persecuted the whistleblowers that told us about them. That's what "hope and change" looks like apparently. And the Dems went completely silent. "No blood for oil" turned into "awww he's charasmatic and plays basketball <3"
Uh ya no. What you're doing is the most typical argument tactic maga/repubs employ. Oh what about that guy that one time that isn't in power anymore more, he did a thing so its fine for us to do this now.
It's the same exact "it's ok when my guy does it" attitude that led to trump. This isn't a Republican problem. It's an American problem. We're not going to solve it by only focusing on half of the people doing it.
But yet here you are, what about Obama glazing. He's not president. He's not running again. Sure some people still glaze, most people don't give or shit or know alot of what he did. We legit just turned the entire world against the US and swept a pedo ring under the rug. So wattaboutism the glazing.
So we should ignore half the people putting party above policy and pretend that this is only a Republican phenomenon. Surely that's the way to fix it. Ok blue maga.
He only made it through the Republican primary because the Democrats helped him through it.
The punchline of the last decade has been how neoliberals and reactionaries within the liberal party laid the foundation for a Permanent Republican Majority. Even now, they're more interested in beating back an insurgent popular progressive movement than ousting fascists in their own backyards.
A different take: If he was a Democrat, would he have the same opinions? If he existed as current, he would not be a democrat, but maybe his experiences were caused him to develop in other directions.
If Trump espoused democratic values, and was for things like universal healthcare, higher wages, privacy and personal autonomy, hadn't been a sex pest, wasn't a grifter and on and on and on... then no, I might not despise him.
Not that Jason above was in any way being sincere in the question.
He was a democrat and I'm fairly sure that beyond being manipulated through his dementia, he has not changed any of his beliefs or values on becoming a republican.
No to throw around the 'in name only' epithet, but was he a democrat? or was that convenient label at the time? As a self-serving pig, he would chose the label that got him the most attention.
Disregarding the "left" vs "liberal" vs "democrat" disambiguation, since it doesn't really matter in US politics at this moment, I'd suggest, when discussing "leadership", that a Democratic person wants what is best for society as a whole while the current flavor of Republican wants what is best for the wealthy class.
I can't think of a Mr. Trump example where he advocated for the working class without it being a transparent grift.
My point, though, is not "do I hate trump?" but instead a thought experiment of "what if trump was actually a Democrat?" If he was a wealthy-ish person advocating for the lower classes to get aid, reduce wealth inequality, improve climate management and various other "democratic" values, then yes, I would support him.
Current trump can get fucked regardless of his label.
It puts legitimacy behind their statements. You are no longer discussing with an internet no-name weirdo, the person you are writing with has a name and face.
They weild authority in the field or bear respect assigned to them and are thus using it...or simply used to writing under their name due to that.
They're one of "I have nothing to hide" folks. And I don't mean surveilence apologists - I mean folk who have such weirdly strong ego (without being egoists. At least most of the time) that their belief in who they are is unshakeable. They tend to rawdog the world.
Some combination of the three above is most common in my perspective.
A long time ago, when I was dating a woman who worked at Planned Parenthood, I ran afoul of a Scott Roeder supporter. I'm glad he never knew my name and what I looked like. I think my statements to him were legitimate and authoritative enough with out putting my loved ones in danger.
There's really no guarantee that people are using their real name and photo in most cases. People tying their presence to their work or something is different, but I generally never assume I'm talking to the person being presented to me. Some people also just don't care, don't realize there could be consequences, or they signed up when the internet was a different place (thinking twitter would be more like Facebook or MySpace where it might make some sense to use your real name).
Aw my two favorite things. "bOtH SiDeS": Congratulations, you found a way to insert that where it absolutely made no sense. Then we have "I kNoW ExAcTlY hOw AlL pOsSiBlE tImElInEs WoUlD hAvE gOnE!!1"
How is this "BoTh SiDeS", I fully recognize the Dems are better than the Republicans, and one of the reasons is the Democrats would never have accepted Trump.
Well tbh your comment sounded like you thought Democrats would do the same as Republicans or worse. It's possible I missed something subtle but I read it again and that's how it still reads to me.
No I said IF Trump ran as a Democrat and was successful in becoming the presidential nominee, I wouldn't vote for Democrats, because IN THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE they would have proven to be worse than Republicans
Don't be a partisan hack. Politics isn't rooting for a sport team, nor a rock concert. Don't follow a leader because they are charismatic or likeable. Instead, support policies that reflect your values. Do not follow a person. If someone presents a policy that you support, or multiple policies that you support, embrace the policy for being great. Not the person. People are not superheroes.
Quick reminder that a significant chunk of the MAGA base that isn’t wildly misinformed love him for exactly the reasons you just mentioned. Republican vitriol loves that he spews hated. They delight in how his policies make the right people hurt.
Even Nixon's head as President of Earth ran a weirdly benign and relatively competent administration as President of Earth. Yes, because Futurama is a comedy, but with all of these fictional Presidents, I think many Americans have (or hopefully had) little concept of just how much of our stability and prosperity actually was due to the government. Fictional accounts of how badly a President can fuck the U.S. just wouldn't've landed as plausible with a general audience.
Man, I wish we could elect Lex. He was a full-on criminal, but he took care of what was his. I would disagree with his stance on aliens, but I bet he would give us healthcare on a whim.
Hannibal preferred intimate one-on-one murders. I doubt he would kill more than 100 people while in office.
More US citizens died to COVID than all wars, and Trump told people not to wear masks or quarantine. That alone got him on the death toll leaderboard.
My uncle and cousin died after catching COVID at a superspreader event shortly after his speech. I bet Hannibal Lecter would never have even come close to killing my personal relatives.
I thought he was playing a character before he ran for president in 2016. Like I never watched The Apprentice, but I saw ads for it and I figured he was just playing an exaggerated asshole clown of a boss.
If Trump had run and won as a democrat in 2016, I probably would have intensely disliked him like I did Biden and HRC, but not hated him like I do now because the democratic party would have steered him in very different ways than the GOP has.
I largely now hate his voters and hope they suffer far more than I hate Trump. Nothing but antipathy for them.
I never watched The Apprentice, but I saw ads for it and I figured he was just playing an exaggerated asshole clown of a boss.
Believe it or not, I always took it as the opposite. The first time Trump wanted to run he was laughed out of the primary. He had a long history as a narcissistic con man to anyone in the northeast and there’s no way he’d be elected. The entire point of “The Apprentice” was to rebuild his image.
Maybe some people took it as playing an exaggerated asshole clown of a boss, but he was toned down from reality. His narcissism was toned down, he acted mostly morally, less of an asshole, he appeared to know something about business. They even played down his need to plaster his name in gold everywhere. His entire image was much more palatable than the previous two decades of headlines
Above all else, Donald Trump is a useful idiot. More powerful people have been using him for a lot longer than he's been president.
He'll go along with whatever, as long as he gets attention/money. He's crass, so if he was a Democrat president, he'd still be an asshole, but he would have gone along with the liberal policies.
But it would never happen because Democrats are held to a higher standard and, as an idiot, the only way he can make himself stand out is through bigotry, which doesn't fly for liberal voters. DEFINITELY flies for conservatives though.
I still think it's possible that in 2016 they told him they were signing him up to play the President in a mockumentary. And that they still haven't told him otherwise.
I don't hate him. He's a typical rich asshole who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
I'd have no problem with him if he spent his time playing golf and sailing yachts, as long as he paid his taxes and would be held accountable for any fraud he commits.
I hate the people who looked at this guy and said "he represents me, I want him in charge". Or "I don't understand what the words communist or fascist mean, I just want him to hurt those other people I don't like".
The people who put him in power are the problem. Without them he would just be another rich asshole saying bigoted shit on social media that we could just ignore. If they didn't put him in the White House, there's at least a chance that he'd be held accountable for his crimes.
His social media posts would be a case of "say whatever you want old man, you're just making yourself look foolish.". Instead he has a platform to make the entire country look foolish.
as long as he paid his taxes and would be held accountable for any fraud he commits.
When he was campaigning the first time he bragged that the irs did not have the ability to untangle his businesses enough to prove anything ….. somehow people thought that was a good thing?
Copypasted from another comment There is a pile of shit in the picture, so if you were to stretch the meaning of the term "shitpost" perhaps it could count? 🤔
Although I disagree with most of his politics, that's not the reason I dislike him.
I would never support a pedophile even if they were able to achieve all my political ideals, to me that's just a non-starter and I wish more people felt the same way. At this point the evidence and proven court cases are undeniable.
Of course we would. But also, this joke of a person would've never won as a Democrat. He chose Republicans because he knew he'd have a better shot with them.
However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
- George Washington, being absolutely correct about how political parties are a bad thing.
I mean, it doesn't really represent the American public. It's in his job description, but he only represents the Oligarchs, the corporations, and the fascists.
If he abolished ICE, Stopped AI datacenter sprawl, installed universal health care, universal basic income, replaced the SCOTUS with true moderates, pushed environmental issues and cracked down on monopolies, I'd hear him out...
Why not? If you really hate some one and don’t want to see someone become president to scam the whole country, I would rather vote for the other party. Even if I don’t agree with everything that party stands for.
Trump and the Republicans right now stand for fraude, war, racism, violence and hate. It makes your country look fucking stupid.
Personally I would do anything to avoid that.
That’s just something I don’t get about Americans. A lot of you are so fanatical that you would rather die than vote for the other party even if that means ruining your country to the ground.
This last election I voted Dem. Not because I thought she was worth a shit, but she was imo the better of the two options. Political party doesn't mean shit to me.
Naaah I see the dems post wholesome chungus pictures of Obama, Bush and Clinton fishing. Harris was "proud" of Liz Cheney's endorsement. I've heard what they say but more importantly I've seen what they do.
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zeppo@lemmy.world · 161 pts · 6d
The claim that people would like him if he was not a republican is one of the stupider pieces of cope they’ve come up with. They also like to use the stupid “TDS“ thing to claim that people just hate Trump arbitrarily, as if we can’t list 50 different horrible things he’s done and things about him that make him completely unfit for the office.
OwOarchist@pawb.social · 89 pts · 6d
From their perspective, it makes sense. They hate Democrats because they're Democrats. And if one of them switches sides to become a Republican, they'll suddenly find excuses for them, forgive everything they've ever done, and support them no matter what.
They're so baked in tribalism that they can't understand disliking a politician for any other reason. So they think of course things would be reversed if he was part of the other tribe. They, of course, would instantly hate him if he became a Democrat.
Goodeye8@piefed.social · 46 pts · 6d
It's also a self-report that they like him only because he's a republican.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 6d
It's not just cope. It's that these people are so surrealistically stupid and lack all sense of curiosity that many legitimately don't know a fucking thing about the guy they voted to be the most powerful figure on the planet. So they think we must be acting unreasonable to hate him so much.
I mean a common phrase among them leading up to 2016 was "he'll run it like a business" because they were entirely unaware that the dipshit has driven every business venture he's ever attempted into the ground except for real estate because a monkey could be successful at real estate if it inherits a bunch of its daddy's money and real estate.
They don't even know who he is.
raspirate@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6d
I've said for a long time that the primary means of American education is advertising. He was advertised as a competent businessman on TV, and so that's what a lot of Americans believe. The guy's a walking advertisement. A flim-flam man.
He wins because he's the best at lying in a country that prizes lying for money as the best skill set one can possess.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6d
If anything, Biden Derangement Syndrome was absolutely a thing. MAGAts were so incredibly panicked about Biden when he was an entirely milquetoast, middle-of-the road Democrat. Do even they argue that Trump is just another Republican? I can’t see how anyone could.
zeppo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5d
They act that way any time a Democrat is president. They're terrified the Dem will do a good job and leave a good legacy and positive reputation, so they pretty much flip out. They did it over Clinton - spread and amplified all sorts of rumors then investigated him for years until they finally found something to impeach him for. And then, Obama, obviously. Trump himself is still freaking the fuck out about Obama and it's been a decade since he was in office.
Mac@mander.xyz · 117 pts · 6d
These brainless morons really think this shit is team sports. JFC.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 6d
For them, it is. So they assume it is for everyone.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 6d
This is the key point. It's why "every accusation is a confession" works so often. They are accusing others of the things they themselves are doing, because they assume everyone is doing it.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 6d
And they cannot get over the novel idea that people don't think that way and thus are lying or doing it better.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 6d
See also them using phrases like "believing in science". I don't have to believe in it, it's repeatable. Stop projecting your dumb worldview.
Dookieman12@piefed.social · 10 pts · 6d
Whenever someone brings up "believing in science" remind them that science isn’t a matter of belief, it's a matter of understanding. The world is the way it is whether you "believe" in it or not. The world is the way it is whether you understand it or not, and life is a lot easier when you understand the world around you.
nickiwest@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6d
True.
Because they are willing to dig in their heels and reject evidence that doesn't fit their worldview, they assume that science-minded people are the same. They don't understand how "receive new data" and "refine or revise hypothesis" are important parts of the process. If they incorporated those steps, their belief system would implode.
oppy1984@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 6d
You can not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God exists.
Issac Newton saw an apple fall and then dropped other objects to prove the existence of gravity.
God = belief.
Science = evidence.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 6d
It's more that these morons actually behave this way. They trust anyone with an "(R)" at the end of their name.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6d
It's easier on their hamster brains that way. Means they don't have to worry about doing any homework.
Ironically, when it comes to actual sports, they'll get on some Good Willing Hunting shit and go ultra deep into player stats and coaching strategies. Probably the only time I've ever heard one not sound like a complete idiot.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6d
The Democratic Party has its Gavin Newsoms and Joe Manchins and Michael Bloombergs and Anthony Weiners aplenty.
No shortage of Democrats on the Lolita Express. No shortage of liberal billionaires hungry for another war in the Middle East, another trillion dollar data center spend on public land, or another Bay of Pigs on Cuba.
None of Trump's politics are unique to Trump. We've got shitty little fascists crawling all over the country, from the bluest cities of Washington and Minnesota to the reddest oil fields of Texas and Wyoming. If anything, the latest wave of Silicon Valley "Network State" fucks have been more concentrated in liberal districts. And their money has produced a wave of horrifyingly bad liberal politicians who are as much responsible for the Obama->Trump party slump as any QAnon club.
fartographer@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 6d
Pennsylvania has a Democrat ogre, and we seem to have no problem saying, "fuck Fetterman"
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 6d
Well tbf, he got a stroke and basically that's how he turned conservative
rumba@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 6d
That's the story. I think he was always a sleeper and the stroke made him unable to walk the line.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 6d
Wasn't there an interview from like the 80s were he said if he ran for president he would run repub cause they were idiots and he could trick them easily?
Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 6d
He was talking about fetterman, but yes trump said that and why he switched from dem to republican. Hes also said (and was correct) that dems are far better for the economy as well.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6d
you explain sinema that way too?
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6d
Sinema thought she was clever trying to become a dem version of John McCain and destroyed her career in the process.
stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 6d
Nothing fair about that
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Two, really. Fetterman's the one that keeps showing up on reactionary news media to talk shit. But Shapiro's been taking his own turn as an avowed Zionist, a corporate sleaze, and a reactionary fearmonger whenever he's had the opportunity.
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 40 pts · 6d
If he were a DEMOCRAT I would FORGIVE all the Blatant Corruption and CHILD RAPING!
-This is how REPUBLICANS are!
quarkquasar@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 6d
Republicans aren't the root of every problem we're facing today, but I'd bet a lot of money that they're probably responsible for the majority of them.
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d
Political brain rot is believing people dislike Trump solely because he's a Republican.
That's the fundamental problem with American politics. Too many people treat it like team sports: I have to defend my side no matter what.
No, you don't.
You don't owe a political party your loyalty. Parties are tools, not identities. If your own side does something wrong, or even something you consider objectively immoral, you should be willing to say so. Blind partisanship isn't a virtue; it's the abandonment of independent judgment.
sundray@lemmus.org · 39 pts · 6d
What a silly question. Nobody likes Democrats.
decolo@piefed.social · 8 pts · 6d
Not even Hakeem Jeffries or Ken Martin like democrats!
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 6d
His party affiliation has nothing to do with it.Trump has always been a POS human being full stop.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 6d
He’s the archetype of the 80s movie developer who wants to tear down the old skate rink or whatever.
wittymyusername@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 5d
He’s like the reverend from Footloose without the saving grace of being played by John Lithgow.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · -8 pts · 6d
For you. I see Dems constantly glazing Obama. Who, while not as bad as trump, was pretty fucking bad in a "it's like Bush never left" kind of way. Affiliation is all that matters to a stunning number of people.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 5d
What's that based on?
And saying he's "not as bad as Trump" is a ludicrous understatement.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 5d
He ordered almost 600 drone strikes in 7 different countries, hitting weddings schools and hospitals and killing scores of civilians. He renewed the patriot act, escalated the domestic spying program, maintained the CIA black site torture program, and persecuted the whistleblowers that told us about them. That's what "hope and change" looks like apparently. And the Dems went completely silent. "No blood for oil" turned into "awww he's charasmatic and plays basketball <3"
HogginAnDoggin@thelemmy.club · 3 pts · 5d
Ah yes whataboutism.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5d
I'm pointing out blind partisanism isn't exclusive to one party. Pretending that it is exclusive to one party is an example of blind partisanism.
HogginAnDoggin@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 4d
Uh ya no. What you're doing is the most typical argument tactic maga/repubs employ. Oh what about that guy that one time that isn't in power anymore more, he did a thing so its fine for us to do this now.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4d
It's the same exact "it's ok when my guy does it" attitude that led to trump. This isn't a Republican problem. It's an American problem. We're not going to solve it by only focusing on half of the people doing it.
HogginAnDoggin@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 3d
But yet here you are, what about Obama glazing. He's not president. He's not running again. Sure some people still glaze, most people don't give or shit or know alot of what he did. We legit just turned the entire world against the US and swept a pedo ring under the rug. So wattaboutism the glazing.
the_crotch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
So we should ignore half the people putting party above policy and pretend that this is only a Republican phenomenon. Surely that's the way to fix it. Ok blue maga.
HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com · 34 pts · 6d
If he ran for president as a democrat he would not have been elected because he would not have made it through the primary process.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 6d
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy
He only made it through the Republican primary because the Democrats helped him through it.
The punchline of the last decade has been how neoliberals and reactionaries within the liberal party laid the foundation for a Permanent Republican Majority. Even now, they're more interested in beating back an insurgent popular progressive movement than ousting fascists in their own backyards.
korazail@lemmy.myserv.one · 2 pts · 6d
A different take: If he was a Democrat, would he have the same opinions? If he existed as current, he would not be a democrat, but maybe his experiences were caused him to develop in other directions.
If Trump espoused democratic values, and was for things like universal healthcare, higher wages, privacy and personal autonomy, hadn't been a sex pest, wasn't a grifter and on and on and on... then no, I might not despise him.
Not that Jason above was in any way being sincere in the question.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 6d
He was a democrat and I'm fairly sure that beyond being manipulated through his dementia, he has not changed any of his beliefs or values on becoming a republican.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 6d
Racist barely human garbage 40 years ago, racist barely human garbage today.
korazail@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 5d
No to throw around the 'in name only' epithet, but was he a democrat? or was that convenient label at the time? As a self-serving pig, he would chose the label that got him the most attention.
Disregarding the "left" vs "liberal" vs "democrat" disambiguation, since it doesn't really matter in US politics at this moment, I'd suggest, when discussing "leadership", that a Democratic person wants what is best for society as a whole while the current flavor of Republican wants what is best for the wealthy class.
I can't think of a Mr. Trump example where he advocated for the working class without it being a transparent grift.
My point, though, is not "do I hate trump?" but instead a thought experiment of "what if trump was actually a Democrat?" If he was a wealthy-ish person advocating for the lower classes to get aid, reduce wealth inequality, improve climate management and various other "democratic" values, then yes, I would support him.
Current trump can get fucked regardless of his label.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 6d
I tend to not like felon rapist pedophiles regardless of their political affiliation.
And the Democrat party pretty regulartly ousts members with scandals that dwarf in comparison to Trump's DAILY scandals.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Remember when Al Fra ken had to resign for giving too much tongue on a kiss and for screwing up his hover hands when posing for photos?
Remember when Howard Dean's career was ended over making a weird screech in a victory speech?
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 6d
I will never understand why some people will go online with their real name and photo and discuss any highly controversial topics, much less politics.
Demdaru@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 6d
Some combination of the three above is most common in my perspective.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 6d
You missed the top one
0 - they are old and or stupid and don't think of the consequences of their actions
Demdaru@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 6d
I tried soooo very hard to not tie age into that but...
Yeah. :<
lastlybutfirstly@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d
A long time ago, when I was dating a woman who worked at Planned Parenthood, I ran afoul of a Scott Roeder supporter. I'm glad he never knew my name and what I looked like. I think my statements to him were legitimate and authoritative enough with out putting my loved ones in danger.
Demdaru@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6d
So, I am not an american and had to look the guy up. First of all, wtf. Second of all, wtf (but about your situation).
But at the end of the day, some people just don't compute statements without face attached to them. :| Nonetheless, staying safe is a priority. Wtf.
MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 6d
There's really no guarantee that people are using their real name and photo in most cases. People tying their presence to their work or something is different, but I generally never assume I'm talking to the person being presented to me. Some people also just don't care, don't realize there could be consequences, or they signed up when the internet was a different place (thinking twitter would be more like Facebook or MySpace where it might make some sense to use your real name).
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 26 pts · 6d
If he ran as a Democrat, I'd have never voted for the Democrats again, because they would have stood up and said Trump was acceptable.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 6d
They stood up and said Hillary was acceptable. And now here we are.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 6d
Love seeing people get down voted for being right.
Y'all forget when she walked into a poor persons house and just... Stared?
Even orange shitstain looked more at home in a McDonalds drive thru and that's fuckig sad
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 6d
Aw my two favorite things. "bOtH SiDeS": Congratulations, you found a way to insert that where it absolutely made no sense. Then we have "I kNoW ExAcTlY hOw AlL pOsSiBlE tImElInEs WoUlD hAvE gOnE!!1"
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 1 pts · 5d
How is this "BoTh SiDeS", I fully recognize the Dems are better than the Republicans, and one of the reasons is the Democrats would never have accepted Trump.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
Well tbh your comment sounded like you thought Democrats would do the same as Republicans or worse. It's possible I missed something subtle but I read it again and that's how it still reads to me.
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 1 pts · 5d
No I said IF Trump ran as a Democrat and was successful in becoming the presidential nominee, I wouldn't vote for Democrats, because IN THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE they would have proven to be worse than Republicans
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
I gotta say, that was a confusing way of wording it originally.
QueenHawlSera@piefed.social · 0 pts · 5d
I don't see how
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5d
Malyca@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 6d
Trump has a long and public history of being a piece of shit.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 6d
Turns out people who are fine with Nazis don't even allow for the possibility of principles existing.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 6d
They exist, because we allowed them to.
robocall@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 6d
Don't be a partisan hack. Politics isn't rooting for a sport team, nor a rock concert. Don't follow a leader because they are charismatic or likeable. Instead, support policies that reflect your values. Do not follow a person. If someone presents a policy that you support, or multiple policies that you support, embrace the policy for being great. Not the person. People are not superheroes.
Dryad@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 6d
Quick reminder that a significant chunk of the MAGA base that isn’t wildly misinformed love him for exactly the reasons you just mentioned. Republican vitriol loves that he spews hated. They delight in how his policies make the right people hurt.
zxqwas@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 6d
If he was running as a democrat would you have voted for a generic republican instead?
red_tomato@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 6d
I would rather have George Bush back than more Trump. Not that I think he was any good at all.
Klear@piefed.world · 15 pts · 6d
Imagine, 20 years for now, fondly remembering Trump compared to some completely psychotic asshole Americans are going to elect at that time.
decolo@piefed.social · 4 pts · 6d
Trump vs. Hannibal lector, you have to pick one, what do you choose? it's a tough choice
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 19 pts · 6d
I've been reading political novels since about 6th Grade.
There's never been a fictional US President as bad as the reality of Trump. And I include Lex Luthor from the Superman comics.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 6d
Even Nixon's head as President of Earth ran a weirdly benign and relatively competent administration as President of Earth. Yes, because Futurama is a comedy, but with all of these fictional Presidents, I think many Americans have (or hopefully had) little concept of just how much of our stability and prosperity actually was due to the government. Fictional accounts of how badly a President can fuck the U.S. just wouldn't've landed as plausible with a general audience.
decolo@piefed.social · 5 pts · 6d
I agree
Klear@piefed.world · 4 pts · 6d
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 2 pts · 6d
He can't run for President because he's not a natural US citizen!
Klear@piefed.world · 3 pts · 6d
Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Man, I wish we could elect Lex. He was a full-on criminal, but he took care of what was his. I would disagree with his stance on aliens, but I bet he would give us healthcare on a whim.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 6d
Are Superman comics considered political novels?
There was that Slim Nietzsche guy though.
🎵 God is who? God is what? God is… chicka chicka… dead?
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 1 pts · 6d
Go to bed and/or sober up.
sychthys@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 6d
No it isn't. At least Lecter is smart and understands cause and effect.
decolo@piefed.social · 7 pts · 6d
He might be less corrupt than Trump too
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6d
Hannibal preferred intimate one-on-one murders. I doubt he would kill more than 100 people while in office.
More US citizens died to COVID than all wars, and Trump told people not to wear masks or quarantine. That alone got him on the death toll leaderboard.
My uncle and cousin died after catching COVID at a superspreader event shortly after his speech. I bet Hannibal Lecter would never have even come close to killing my personal relatives.
Tooks@piefed.social · 2 pts · 6d
I don't recall Hannibal Lector favoring children, so...
ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com · 2 pts · 6d
At least Hannibal had a functioning brain that could maintain coherence.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com · 2 pts · 6d
mittens romney?
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 6d
he is despicable at the atomic level
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 11 pts · 6d
Some MAGoo said he wanted Trump and not miserable Republicans In Name Only.
Obviously, the MAGoo hadn't noticed that Trump was a Dem for years, except when he tried to run for President on the Reform Party ticket
20cello@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 6d
A pedophile is a pedophile is a pedophile
psycho_driver@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 6d
The creature is sub-human.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 6d
I thought he was playing a character before he ran for president in 2016. Like I never watched The Apprentice, but I saw ads for it and I figured he was just playing an exaggerated asshole clown of a boss.
If Trump had run and won as a democrat in 2016, I probably would have intensely disliked him like I did Biden and HRC, but not hated him like I do now because the democratic party would have steered him in very different ways than the GOP has.
I largely now hate his voters and hope they suffer far more than I hate Trump. Nothing but antipathy for them.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6d
Believe it or not, I always took it as the opposite. The first time Trump wanted to run he was laughed out of the primary. He had a long history as a narcissistic con man to anyone in the northeast and there’s no way he’d be elected. The entire point of “The Apprentice” was to rebuild his image.
Maybe some people took it as playing an exaggerated asshole clown of a boss, but he was toned down from reality. His narcissism was toned down, he acted mostly morally, less of an asshole, he appeared to know something about business. They even played down his need to plaster his name in gold everywhere. His entire image was much more palatable than the previous two decades of headlines
Unfortunately it succeeded
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6d
Above all else, Donald Trump is a useful idiot. More powerful people have been using him for a lot longer than he's been president.
He'll go along with whatever, as long as he gets attention/money. He's crass, so if he was a Democrat president, he'd still be an asshole, but he would have gone along with the liberal policies.
But it would never happen because Democrats are held to a higher standard and, as an idiot, the only way he can make himself stand out is through bigotry, which doesn't fly for liberal voters. DEFINITELY flies for conservatives though.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d
I still think it's possible that in 2016 they told him they were signing him up to play the President in a mockumentary. And that they still haven't told him otherwise.
OpenPassageways@programming.dev · 9 pts · 6d
I don't hate him. He's a typical rich asshole who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
I'd have no problem with him if he spent his time playing golf and sailing yachts, as long as he paid his taxes and would be held accountable for any fraud he commits.
I hate the people who looked at this guy and said "he represents me, I want him in charge". Or "I don't understand what the words communist or fascist mean, I just want him to hurt those other people I don't like".
The people who put him in power are the problem. Without them he would just be another rich asshole saying bigoted shit on social media that we could just ignore. If they didn't put him in the White House, there's at least a chance that he'd be held accountable for his crimes.
His social media posts would be a case of "say whatever you want old man, you're just making yourself look foolish.". Instead he has a platform to make the entire country look foolish.
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 6d
he shouldve just gone into pro wrestling instead of politics. would have been an all time manager
village604@adultswim.fan · 3 pts · 6d
Or just a talk show.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6d
When he was campaigning the first time he bragged that the irs did not have the ability to untangle his businesses enough to prove anything ….. somehow people thought that was a good thing?
lizzzy@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 6d
USA seems to have a problem of valuing All people in society
Rob the poor to pay the rich. The American dream
FishFace@piefed.social · 9 pts · 6d
Not a shitpost
SourDragon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Copypasted from another commentThere is a pile of shit in the picture, so if you were to stretch the meaning of the term "shitpost" perhaps it could count? 🤔skozzii@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 6d
Although I disagree with most of his politics, that's not the reason I dislike him.
I would never support a pedophile even if they were able to achieve all my political ideals, to me that's just a non-starter and I wish more people felt the same way. At this point the evidence and proven court cases are undeniable.
ameen272@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 5d
How is this a shitpost in any kind of way
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 5d
It's got Trump's picture in it. That's pretty shitty.
ameen272@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 5d
Listen, that is true as fuck, but I came here to see meme shitposts, not political shitposts, and it's getting way too common.
Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 5d
i think we lemmites should do our due diligence and start shitposting on c/politics
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 5d
I think we should call ourselves lemminators
ameen272@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 5d
lmao that would be sweet revenge But... How many will join us? Is the question.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 5d
I keep saying someone needs to make a politicalshitpost community.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 5d
Of course we would. But also, this joke of a person would've never won as a Democrat. He chose Republicans because he knew he'd have a better shot with them.
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 7 pts · 6d
Does this count as a shitpost? I mean it’s about a piece of shit, but I’m not sure it’s the same thing.
SourDragon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6d
There is a pile of shit in the picture, so if you were to stretch the meaning of the term "shitpost" perhaps it could count? 🤔
AA5B@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6d
If the democrats party worshipped a corrupt fascist narcissist, I would be out on the street with my hammer and sickle dancing around the maypole
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6d
His logic is based in the notion that Party must be placed above Country or Principles.
... which is insane, and arguably exactly how the worst governments in history got so bad.
notabot@piefed.social · 3 pts · 6d
I would suggest that his logic is, in fact, based in the notion that his personal interest must be placed above Party, Country, and Principles.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
I don't know J @jasonllevin well enough to make that assessment.
notabot@piefed.social · 3 pts · 6d
Ah, I though you were talking about trump. The twitterer's position probably is as you suggested.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 6d
- George Washington, being absolutely correct about how political parties are a bad thing.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d
Was that before or after he vaccinated his troops because vaccinations are good and help keep war-fighters in fighting shape?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 6d
It's from his farewell address, so after.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 5d
Such a stupid fucking question from a stupid fucking person.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 6d
What's with that photo of Trump? He looks like he's been on the fat drug for a year.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 5d
Probably on the fat drug.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 6d
Why are you putting this in shitpost sub? Get outta here
toxicbubble@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d
watch 'When They See Us' on netflix, about the Central Park Five in the 1980s, says everything you need to know about DT
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5d
I can't wait till there is more realization that many of us don't care about party. Only results.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 6d
I mean, it doesn't really represent the American public. It's in his job description, but he only represents the Oligarchs, the corporations, and the fascists.
If he abolished ICE, Stopped AI datacenter sprawl, installed universal health care, universal basic income, replaced the SCOTUS with true moderates, pushed environmental issues and cracked down on monopolies, I'd hear him out...
borQue@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 5d
I despise Trump in any form. Get rid ASAP of that Maroon Miscarriage
AuthenticSchedule@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 6d
I still hate him, and I'm a republican
bunnybunny@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 6d
But did you vote D or R the last election?
AuthenticSchedule@lemmus.org · 2 pts · 6d
I didn't vote.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 6d
You going to vote for AOC in 2028?
AuthenticSchedule@lemmus.org · 0 pts · 5d
No, I just can't vote, lol
bunnybunny@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 5d
Why not? If you really hate some one and don’t want to see someone become president to scam the whole country, I would rather vote for the other party. Even if I don’t agree with everything that party stands for. Trump and the Republicans right now stand for fraude, war, racism, violence and hate. It makes your country look fucking stupid. Personally I would do anything to avoid that.
That’s just something I don’t get about Americans. A lot of you are so fanatical that you would rather die than vote for the other party even if that means ruining your country to the ground.
AuthenticSchedule@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 3d
We did that with JFK, but that's only because everyone liked him. Also, he would be a republican now if it was today.
And I genuinely don't know how tf we let Trump as president cuz he is literally in the files.
Tiral@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d
This last election I voted Dem. Not because I thought she was worth a shit, but she was imo the better of the two options. Political party doesn't mean shit to me.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
i personally hate who he represents as well
SiegeRhino@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
FUCK OFF AMERICAN POLITICS POSTS
Flames5123@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 6d
I looked this guy up. He’s a leftist. His bio says #FuckTrump. He did this as an example to the cesspool of Xitter how backwards their thinking is.
sue@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 5d
both parties are aipac bootlickers it doesnt matter
expatriado@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 6d
Fetterman may help answer
Edit: Fetterman is a Democratic Senator hated my the democratic electorate, but i guess my comment was controversial somehow
mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -6 pts · 6d
Naaah I see the dems post wholesome chungus pictures of Obama, Bush and Clinton fishing. Harris was "proud" of Liz Cheney's endorsement. I've heard what they say but more importantly I've seen what they do.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -9 pts · 6d
Did you know! Around 80% of the wildlife is endemic to Australia, meaning it can only be found here! According to the Australian Wildlife Conservancy, 87% of mammals, 93% of reptiles, 94% of frogs, and 45% of birds in Australia ONLY exist in Australia.
From iconic kangaroos and koalas, to elusive echidnas and wombats, you can see some of the world's most unique wildlife Down Under. Australia is also home to the only mammals that lay eggs: the platypus and the echidna.
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 12 pts · 6d
That's all very interesting, but seems like you may have Australia Derangement Syndrome.
fizzle@quokk.au · 8 pts · 6d
Anyone know what's up with this?
Bot spamming every thread with dumb Australia facts.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · -2 pts · 6d
Did you know! If you click on a username you can see their posts?
Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 6d
I would love it if you made actual posts about this stuff.
robocall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6d
c/LostLemtards