Oh. I thought the lawsuit was gonna be because it wasn't hot enough. Some of these places serve spaghetti sauce as salsa. Which is fine. Adapting to local preferences and stuff.
you call them or just show up. It’s like the 2000s out here.
TIL: I'm living in the 2000s and didn't realize it. 😅
Yeah, this is what I do. Sometimes I show up and the place is closed. I wasted 30 minutes driving there. It's annoying. But, not so annoying that I want to use FB. (For me personally. I understand people have different tolerances.)
I'm older, I guess, this is just what we did when we were growing up.
Yeah, I guess you're right actually. You pay money and get more features. I tend to think of subscriptions for Open Source more as donations, but Fluxer is a little different.
But, yeah, like someone else said, you can self-host and not pay anything and get access to everything. Did I mention it's fully Open Source without a CLA?!
When I was driving in Mexico, I learned this is possible! They're very consistent with this.
California (not sure about other US states) on the other hand ... people will purposely drive in the left lane, block traffic, and then get mad at you when you pass them on the right.
Growing up in a small town, this is exactly what we did. I was absolutely shocked to learn that people ride bikes ON THE ROAD! Right next to the big metal death machines!! 😱
I see why bikes on the road make sense for high density areas... but it sure seems weird in smaller towns.
Did you guys also consider Fluxer? I tried Stoat first, but the main instance is really slow and there are some video features disabled due to high cost. Which is totally fair.
Fluxer seems to have more features and their main instance is a lot snappier. They're also accepting donations via Plutonium. Which seems to be helping with the server costs.
Both are AGPLv3, with Fluxer recently saying they're gonna remove their CLA so that it's true Open Source.
Honestly, yeah, I'd do the same. After several past jobs required Linux, even downgrading to a Mac feels pretty bad. Can't imagine Macroslop Wangblows.
God I hate those stupid magic links. They're WAAAAYYY slower than just using my password manager.
AND they kinda contribute to locking you into Big Tech. I sometimes have problems with those stupid links because I don't have a Gmail account. Somewhere along the stupid chain there's probably some stupid check that delays or blackholes emails to non-big-tech domains.
It asks to verify pin once a month. Which I think is fair, since it can help you recover from a lockout / transfer your device.
Even that is too annoying. OK, I just realized there's a way to turn off reminders. Trust me bro, I'm not gonna forget. I'm a big boy.
backups are important, but they can also be disabled
Ah! YES! Thanks! I just poked around deeper in the settings and disabled them. Backups are not important to me. I don't want to backup my messages.
I have never been asked to verify my recovery key.
Maybe it's because I had backups on? Let's see if this popup goes away.
Donating to open source projects is important, as it’s a large portion of their funding.
Agreed. Which is why I donate to them.... And I still get the popups! I'm already a donor, leave me alone.
Overall, I want to give my attention to my messages, not to Signal. Leave me alone. Let me message people. I don't want to be nagged. WhatsApp doesn't nag people nearly as much. I know Signal is overall better, but user annoyances like the excessive popups makes it harder for me to try to convince normal people to use Signal.
I've been using Signal more to test if I can recommend it to other people... it's mostly like WhatsApp, which is good...
Except, can we please disable all of those god damn popups. Everyday: "Hey! Verify your pin!", "Hey! Verify your LONG ASS recovery key!", "Hey, plz donate!", "HEY! I couldn't start a backup", "HEY LOOK AT ME!"
Because I'm an idiot. 🤦 Thanks!
Oh. I thought the lawsuit was gonna be because it wasn't hot enough. Some of these places serve spaghetti sauce as salsa. Which is fine. Adapting to local preferences and stuff.
More like itsNOTfoss.com, amirite
TIL: I'm living in the 2000s and didn't realize it. 😅
Yeah, this is what I do. Sometimes I show up and the place is closed. I wasted 30 minutes driving there. It's annoying. But, not so annoying that I want to use FB. (For me personally. I understand people have different tolerances.)
I'm older, I guess, this is just what we did when we were growing up.
Yeah, I guess you're right actually. You pay money and get more features. I tend to think of subscriptions for Open Source more as donations, but Fluxer is a little different.
But, yeah, like someone else said, you can self-host and not pay anything and get access to everything. Did I mention it's fully Open Source without a CLA?!
I recently learned my company quietly auto-rejects anyone who doesn't enter their LinkedIn URL..... :/
They say it's to fight AI spam candidates.
When I was driving in Mexico, I learned this is possible! They're very consistent with this.
California (not sure about other US states) on the other hand ... people will purposely drive in the left lane, block traffic, and then get mad at you when you pass them on the right.
Growing up in a small town, this is exactly what we did. I was absolutely shocked to learn that people ride bikes ON THE ROAD! Right next to the big metal death machines!! 😱
I see why bikes on the road make sense for high density areas... but it sure seems weird in smaller towns.
Real question, can you describe this experience more? How do businesses get locked behind Facebook?
I'm glad I deleted my accounts years ago. I don't have loss aversion from leaving them. I don't know what I'm missing, I guess, and that's good.
Neat. Interesting to hear about the backend. Thanks!
Did you guys also consider Fluxer? I tried Stoat first, but the main instance is really slow and there are some video features disabled due to high cost. Which is totally fair.
Fluxer seems to have more features and their main instance is a lot snappier. They're also accepting donations via Plutonium. Which seems to be helping with the server costs.
Both are AGPLv3, with Fluxer recently saying they're gonna remove their CLA so that it's true Open Source.
Last I heard, Stoat isn't planning federation.
Fluxer IS planning federation. https://blog.fluxer.app/roadmap-2026/
Honestly, yeah, I'd do the same. After several past jobs required Linux, even downgrading to a Mac feels pretty bad. Can't imagine Macroslop Wangblows.
Actually, one thing I want to do is switch from services being on a subdomain to services being on a path.
I'm getting tired of having to update DNS records every time I want to add a new service.
I guess the tricky part will be making sure the services support this kind of routing...
God I hate those stupid magic links. They're WAAAAYYY slower than just using my password manager.
AND they kinda contribute to locking you into Big Tech. I sometimes have problems with those stupid links because I don't have a Gmail account. Somewhere along the stupid chain there's probably some stupid check that delays or blackholes emails to non-big-tech domains.
Not even once.
Even that is too annoying. OK, I just realized there's a way to turn off reminders. Trust me bro, I'm not gonna forget. I'm a big boy.
Ah! YES! Thanks! I just poked around deeper in the settings and disabled them. Backups are not important to me. I don't want to backup my messages.
Maybe it's because I had backups on? Let's see if this popup goes away.
Agreed. Which is why I donate to them.... And I still get the popups! I'm already a donor, leave me alone.
Overall, I want to give my attention to my messages, not to Signal. Leave me alone. Let me message people. I don't want to be nagged. WhatsApp doesn't nag people nearly as much. I know Signal is overall better, but user annoyances like the excessive popups makes it harder for me to try to convince normal people to use Signal.
I've been using Signal more to test if I can recommend it to other people... it's mostly like WhatsApp, which is good...
Except, can we please disable all of those god damn popups. Everyday: "Hey! Verify your pin!", "Hey! Verify your LONG ASS recovery key!", "Hey, plz donate!", "HEY! I couldn't start a backup", "HEY LOOK AT ME!"
Are you logging in on a web browser? Or the desktop app?