"Security would be monitred by Russia and China" means that it would be monitored by the country who's just invaded you and its ally which means capitulation.
It's not conservatives, all actual conservatives understand now more than ever how needed the EU is. This is a coordinated attack on liberal democracy and the rule based world order coming from actors whose n.1 foreign policy objective is destroying them. Russia, China and Trump all have the same goal and that's undoing liberal democracy, or at the least rendering all liberal democracies useless.
Lmao are you calling me an acolyte of Hillary? I'm not even American. I never voted for her and always thought she's bland, elitist and not very brave.
I also am completely in favor of the recognition of the Palestinian state and of the imposition of sanctions on Israel.
That said, I agree with what Hillary Clinton said about propaganda and don't find that she's denying anything here.
You can have two thoughts at the same time.
America might start being a problem now and if it does we need to start worrying about it. Russia and China have been meddling with the European infosphere for the past 20 years.
I don't support Clinton, I don't support Trump, I'm in favor of sanctioning Israel and recognizing Palestine immediately. Don't know what you're talking about, try to assume less.
Not really, I provided some examples to some other user where they were clearly "centrists". There were people who leaned more on both sides and the advancement was achieved by someone who was more moderate.
The post-WW2 transition to liberal democracy in Germany, Italy (Adenauer and De Gasperi): Adenauer and De Gasperi were the leaders of the respective christian-democratic parties and led the transition of their countries away from 2 of the worst dictatorships humankind has ever seen
ending apartheid in South Africa: F. W. De Klerk was South Africa's last apartheid president and although he represented the party which created apartheid, he acted as a centrist. He sidelined the far right wings of his party, released Nelson Mandela's and ended the system. Nelson Mandela also adopted pretty reconciliatory policies once he became president.
1991 economic reforms in India: the centrist Indian National Congress party adopted sweeping reforms that enabled India to face the crisis it was going through and speed up its GDP per capita growth.
I don't have time to finish but you can easily find more information about the rest in any contemporary history textbook or on the internet.
The post-WW2 transition to liberal democracy in Germany, Italy (Adenauer and De Gasperi), and in general European integration; ending apartheid in South Africa; 1991 economic reforms in India; Deng Xiaoping's socialist market economy in China which lifted millions from destitution; Chile's transition to democracy; the labor-capital compromise in Scandinavia which allows them to have very free markets and very strong welfare systems at the same time.
"Security would be monitred by Russia and China" means that it would be monitored by the country who's just invaded you and its ally which means capitulation.
Festung Europa would actually be a sick slogan if it weren't for that one historical precedent. I think we can find something else.
It's not conservatives, all actual conservatives understand now more than ever how needed the EU is. This is a coordinated attack on liberal democracy and the rule based world order coming from actors whose n.1 foreign policy objective is destroying them. Russia, China and Trump all have the same goal and that's undoing liberal democracy, or at the least rendering all liberal democracies useless.
The problem with TikTok is that it clearly pushes Chinese narratives.
See the 2024 Romanian election or this: https://www.dw.com/en/far-right-afd-appears-as-strongest-german-party-on-tiktok/a-69264717
The "left" wanted very different things in most of these cases. For instance, in post-war Italy, it wanted a revolution and to join the Warsaw pact.
Plz explain to me how the examples I brought up aren't "centrist" examples but examples of left victories.
Lmao are you calling me an acolyte of Hillary? I'm not even American. I never voted for her and always thought she's bland, elitist and not very brave. I also am completely in favor of the recognition of the Palestinian state and of the imposition of sanctions on Israel.
That said, I agree with what Hillary Clinton said about propaganda and don't find that she's denying anything here. You can have two thoughts at the same time.
Alright I don't think this is going anywhere. Agree to disagree.
America might start being a problem now and if it does we need to start worrying about it. Russia and China have been meddling with the European infosphere for the past 20 years.
I don't support Clinton, I don't support Trump, I'm in favor of sanctioning Israel and recognizing Palestine immediately. Don't know what you're talking about, try to assume less.
There is literally no denial in that quote as people have commented below it.
Hit me up when you obtain the ability to provide an argument.
Definitely, that's why I'd be in favour of banning TikTok and requiring all social media platforms to have stronger fact checking mechanism.
Though, the only real solution is to improve the cognitive skills of the population starting when they're children.
That certainly is one of the problems that play a role here, the lack of nuance. And honestly this whole thread just shows it.
She literally didn't. Show me the quote.
Huh? I'm not a Trump supporter nor a Clinton supporter. What are you going on about?
Not really, I provided some examples to some other user where they were clearly "centrists". There were people who leaned more on both sides and the advancement was achieved by someone who was more moderate.
I don't have time to finish but you can easily find more information about the rest in any contemporary history textbook or on the internet.
Point out which of these don't have elements of "centrism" plz
The post-WW2 transition to liberal democracy in Germany, Italy (Adenauer and De Gasperi), and in general European integration; ending apartheid in South Africa; 1991 economic reforms in India; Deng Xiaoping's socialist market economy in China which lifted millions from destitution; Chile's transition to democracy; the labor-capital compromise in Scandinavia which allows them to have very free markets and very strong welfare systems at the same time.
I could go on.
Many of the greatest political advancements in the history of humanity were achieved by people you'd call "centrists".