Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/hillary-clinton-says-young-americans-are-pro-palestine-because-they-watch-totally-made-up-videos-of-gaza-horrors/

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msage@programming.dev · 324 pts · 280d (10 replies)

I'm sorry, but what the actual fuck?

Why does she need to say that?

And why is every democratic presidential nominee like this?

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 182 pts · 280d

And why is every democratic presidential nominee like this?

Money.

Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip · 142 pts · 280d

Why does she need to say that?

Money.

7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 115 pts · 280d

Aipac. Is the reason.

ignotum@lemmy.world · 89 pts · 280d

Why does she need to say that?

Money.

dumbass@piefed.social · 81 pts · 280d

Why does she need to say that?

Hillary: everyones talking about Bill again, I'm gonna make them talk about me!

jaybone@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 280d

Why does she need to say anything?

imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 280d

Why

Money

Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 280d (1 reply)

She's just mad everyone knows Trump blew her husband.

toddestan@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 279d

Honestly, I don't think she really ever cared what Bill was up to. The marriage was just a way to advance her career.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 279d

Why does she need to say that?

She doesn't. She did so because she likes simping for netanyahu.

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 265 pts · 280d (9 replies)

Hurwitz also claimed that Holocaust education was “confusing” young people into sympathizing with “weak, skinny Palestinians” instead of “powerful Israelis.”

What. The. Fuck.

FishFace@piefed.social · 112 pts · 280d (4 replies)

Yeah, it's so weird to sympathise with people who are being starved 🙄

BenjiRenji@feddit.org · 28 pts · 280d (3 replies)

"We taught them the wrong lessons."

ImADifferentBird@piefed.blahaj.zone · 54 pts · 280d (2 replies)

"We accidentally taught them that genocide should never happen. What we should have taught them is that we're awesome and above them!"

manxu@piefed.social · 11 pts · 280d (1 reply)

You kid but that's the point she was making. She claims the lesson to learn from the Holocaust is not that we should help the weak when they are being pummeled by the strong, but, apparently, something like that Israel can do no wrong.

BenjiRenji@feddit.org · 2 pts · 278d

The problem with the holocaust wasn't the genocide bit, it was the part that it was done to the jews apparently. I really can't wrap my head around it.

Unquote0270@programming.dev · 31 pts · 280d

That is another level.

Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Do you remember the movie were a team of corporate sponsored rich teenagers beat a team of orphans in a lacrosse championship? That was so uplifting and inspiring.

jaybone@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 280d

The Mighty Dicks?

Field is Screams?

Cool Gunnings?

Victim blaming those weak pathetic losers is always the feel good movie of the year. Everyone wants to see the underdog lose.

MyMindIsLikeAnOcean@piefed.world · 3 pts · 280d

Just insane.

I always refer back to Peter Griffin.https://youtu.be/r5TGIRkL9JE

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 194 pts · 280d (45 replies)

Hey Hillary, do you know what I’d like to hear from you?

Nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. You fucking lost to the fascist the first time around and paved the way for his ascent to power. You are a HUGE fucking factor in how we got to where we are now.

hamid@crazypeople.online · 56 pts · 280d (9 replies)

She is a fascist herself who led the unilateral intervention on Libya that lead to the unnecessary deaths of 50k people in a civil war that didn't need to happen, architected the pivot to Asia which will lead to WW3, and "promoted" LGBT rights internationally in a way that got LGBT people thrown under the bus world wide as a side effect of resisting American imperial power.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 280d (5 replies)

I've said it all through out her run in 2016.

Shes not a democrat.

Shes not a liberal.

Shes just a Republican in a blue coat.

Postimo@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 280d

This distinction gives too much credit to democrats and liberals.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 279d (3 replies)

But it was her turn! Damnit, she was going to run regardless of how unpopular she was.

It's like the end of Happy Gilmore when Shooter McGavin grabs the jacket because it was his turn, he felt it was owed to him.

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d (2 replies)

Probably wouldnt have trump today if it wasnt for the DNC sabotaging all the popular candidates to shove hilary down our throats.

No one wanted hilary.

and remember, Trump didnt even want to win. He just wanted to use running as a springboard for more attention. He was, by all accounts, upset with his intitial win because of how he felt he'd be restricted by the white house.. granted all thats long since been gone since he learned how to manipulate the office to his favor (especially with charging the SS 4x more than anyone else for his weekly trips to maralago..) in his first time, and how hes fucking destroyed the country with his second with how he has undermined everything to go full narcoleptic cartman.

merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 275d (1 reply)

I think there were people who wanted Hillary, in the sense that they were perfectly fine with settling for her. But, there weren't many people who were passionate supporters, and there were a lot of people who hated her. And, the way her campaign was run reflected that. It was basically "Hillary: what are you gonna do, vote for the other guy?"

A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 275d

And thats exactly what they did.. because she cared more about catering to billionaires, holding secret meetings behind massive white noise generating speakers so no one could hear what was being said, than she cared about campaigning.. Which is why she lost every state she couldnt even be bothered to make a single appearance in.

People want to blame trump for everything, but Hilary being a shit, arrogant candidate that walked around like gods gift to freedom was absolutely a big part in trump winning.

Because she couldnt even pretend to give a fuck.

HalfSalesman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d (2 replies)

“promoted” LGBT rights internationally in a way that got LGBT people thrown under the bus world wide as a side effect of resisting American imperial power.

Hey I don't like HRC but this take is pants on head unhinged. Shes not doing anti-LGBT 4D chess, she was just narcissistic/delusional to think she'd be anywhere charismatic enough to convince people internationally to treat LGBT people better.

Do people in the global south & developing world have agency? Or are they simpletons being manipulated by grand puppet masters? If the answer is they have agency, the bigots that live in those places should own their bigotry and you shouldn't do apologia for them. If the answer is they are simpletons well... ok.

hamid@crazypeople.online · 5 pts · 280d (1 reply)

You lack understanding of what I said then went way off the rails with your ridiculous finger wagging. We said the exact same fucking thing. I didn't say she did it on purpose, I'm saying the way she did it got them thrown under the bus.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d

I'll say she did it on purpose. There is no such thing as an unintended negative consequence of democrats' actions. Not one. If they wanted to get the benefit of the doubt, they shouldn't have supported genocide. They'll need a lot of action to fix that. Not words. Democrats have demonstrated how worthless their words are.

Agent641@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 280d (5 replies)

If she could give a half decent blowjob the world would be a much nicer place

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 280d

She tried.

XeroxCool@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 280d (3 replies)

Stop blaming women for aging

Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Does age make you give worse blowjobs?

XeroxCool@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 279d

No, but she's not in Bill's go-to age range. Guess that wasn't the clear intent

Krudler@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 280d

Stop being a half-wit

CannonFodder@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 280d (28 replies)

Sure. You realize how bad trump is, way worse than even Hillary. But it's Americans that voted for trump over Hillary. It's the stupidity of Americans that you should be blaming.
It's so funny how far people go to try to absolve themselves of responsibility.

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 280d

I feel like you’re looking for a fight, but I don’t disagree. I blame the idiocy and myopicism of my countrymen, too.

hamid@crazypeople.online · 14 pts · 280d (24 replies)

Americans in very specific swing states in manipulated elections voted for Trump. Hilary actually won that election by several million votes. The USA is not a democracy and blaming voters is really a pathetic and wrong understanding of politics.

SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Ah yes, when it's Russia then every Russian should suffer for not overthrowing Putin. But when it's the US, Hillary actually won and “it wasn't me” anyway, and blaming voters is pathetic.

hamid@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 279d

But it’s Americans that voted for trump over Hillary. It’s the stupidity of Americans that you should be blaming.

Blaming voters for not voting the right way is in fact pathetic, because their elections are fake. They couldn't have voted differently because their votes don't matter. I blame Americans but not for the reasons they were suggesting. I absolutely think that people in the US shouldn't bother to vote and should instead destroy their fake democracy and settler colony. The USA is worse than Russia in every way. It is in fact the US who over threw the Russian government and installed Putin, it is amazing how they think it is the other way around

CannonFodder@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 280d (21 replies)

So she should have shifter further right to try to capture the votes in those specific swing states?

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 280d (19 replies)

Even if she moved right of Trump she would have lost, median voter theory is horseshit.

CannonFodder@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 280d (18 replies)

So she couldn't have won no matter what. You're saying she wasn't a bad candidate, I guess.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 279d (6 replies)

I am saying she could have won if she moved left and promised to improve the material conditions the people she was asking to vote for her.

Moving right does not earn democrats republican votes, it only decreases their own turnout.

CannonFodder@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 278d

How would that have made her win? Her policy, and the history of the Democratic Party in contrast to the republicans is that she would be better for the people. Better is better. It doesn't matter how much really. If people wanted better, they would already vote for her.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d (10 replies)

She was such a bad candidate that she personally couldn't win no matter how far to the right she went. She might have stood a better chance if she treated the left flank of the party like she actually needed their votes.

CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 279d

Why should she have to play games 'motivating' people who could see she was significantly better than trump? People didn't bother to vote against trump - so they got trump. They have no one to blame but themselves.

hamid@crazypeople.online · 2 pts · 280d

The elections are fake so, no. The people in the US should force the issue of the abolishment of the electoral college and overturning the citizens united ruling by any means necessary

Postimo@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 280d (1 reply)

I guess we can simply keep losing elections until they educate the entire populace.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d

I mean, centrists prefer that to moving to the left.

FishFace@piefed.social · 142 pts · 280d (3 replies)

Yeah, it couldn't be the UN-confirmed genocide, nor the IDF-sanctioned videos of complete devastation, nor the steady wash of articles from journalists with decades of experience confirming utterly inhumane practices around aid distribution, rules of engagement and civilian deaths. Couldn't be.

GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 54 pts · 280d (1 reply)

UN-confirmed

In case anyone misread that, they mean the United Nations (UN) confirmed it.

Yes, it's a genocide. Genocide is bad. It's not that fucking complicated.

MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 280d

One of the instances where abbreviating with periods could have helped: U.N.-confirmed

4am@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 280d

Don’t forget the psytrance dances with dead babies in the background

loaf@sh.itjust.works · 117 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Right, totally made up.

What an insane thing to say.

Edit: bottom of the screenshot showing how many have been killed since the “ceasefire.”

Macchi_the_Slime@piefed.blahaj.zone · 41 pts · 280d

I think the "theory" is supposed to be that the stuff about it that makes Israel look bad is what's supposedly totally made up. Like "Oh those dozen videos of IDF soldiers playing a game to see who could snipe the most children in the genitals? That's not real. Those were Hamas fighters. If you dumb kids knew the whole story you would agree with us adults in the room that Israel is in the right here."

Still fucking psychotic, just a different flavor of psychotic.

pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 110 pts · 280d

And you wonder why you lost the fucking presidency. Right wing piece of shit

Nanook@lemmy.zip · 98 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Sure Hillary, now let’s get you back to your room.

drolex@sopuli.xyz · 61 pts · 280d

But Don and Bubba are already in there

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 92 pts · 280d (16 replies)

Hillary Clinton is why Donald Trump is president today. Her incompetence and evil led to Trump's ascendancy.

bytesonbike@discuss.online · 31 pts · 280d

In the US, democrats are considered the left/middle of the political spectrum.

In the rest of the world, Democrats are considered right wing.

This is some right wing shit.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 280d (9 replies)

No. It was the electoral college. She won the popular vote. Both parties work for Israel

postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 280d

Should have been Bearnie.

Q.E.D.

Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 280d

She had Trump run for office, because she couldn't beat the current GOP. Also she cheated in her own primary. Yes she the reason for Trump. And fuck her crawl back into your cave. We don't need or want her input.

bigfondue@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 280d
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hatorade@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d (1 reply)

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

In its self-described “pied piper” strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates, hoping to turn them into the new “mainstream of the Republican Party” in order to try to increase Clinton’s chances of winning.

The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 278d

Damn that’s horrible. Well my household checked the Bernie box. We were extremely upset with the DNC’s shady dealings.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 279d (3 replies)

Democrats would have won had they nominated a candidate who wasn't comically evil like Hillary Clinton.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 279d (2 replies)

It should have been Bernie

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 278d (1 reply)

Bernie would have easily won, but so would almost anyone else. Democrats ard really good at finding horrible candidates.

Formfiller@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d

It’s almost like they’re paid by the same lobbyists as the republicans to perform political theater for the same puppet masters.

lady_maria@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 280d (4 replies)

Hillary is a POS. But to blame it on her, at least entirely, makes very little sense. There are numerous reasons why he won... despite the fact that HE lost the popular vote against her.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 280d (1 reply)

He won because democrat voters assumed the polls were right and no one was stupid enough to vote Trump. So they didn't vote. America is very difficult to underestimate.

As for 2024, who the fuck knows.

MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 279d

It's not complicated, American voters vote out the incumbent if they're not happy with how things in general are going. Obama won reelection because he was a fantastic speaker and politician. Trump would have lost this election if he was the incumbent.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 279d

Democrats would have won, and Donald Trump would have never happened if Democrats had nominated someone better.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 279d

She lost. It is as simple as that. There are no excuses for failure or incompetence.

njm1314@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 280d (2 replies)

Woman who was best friends with Kissenger loves war crimes.

CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 279d

And then her predecessor became best friends with Dick Cheney.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 279d

best friends with Kissenger

Oh how fucking gross.

pachrist@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 280d (1 reply)

"It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand."

Oh they understand. That's why they're so unhappy. But, this is exactly the take I expect from one of the most out-of-touch people on the planet.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d

Centrists love to pretend that anyone who doesn't immediately and totally buy whatever evil bullshit they spew just doesn't understand how anything works.

It's dual-purpose: gaslighting and a thought-terminating cliche that lets genocidal monsters continue to falsely believe they're the good guys.

TheBat@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 280d (3 replies)
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SippyCup@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 280d

She would have lost to a moldy ham sandwich.

ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Are you talking about the election or Bill Clinton's affection?

MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 280d

¿Por qué no los dos?

FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 67 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Just. Go. Away.

Ffs shouldn’t you be hiding in a bunker with Bubba by now?

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 280d

I think the horse died years ago.

luciferofastora@feddit.org · 64 pts · 280d (5 replies)

This stupid, evil piece of shit. There are people all over the place trying to combat voter apathy and get them to the ballot to at least try to staunch the worst, and there she goes pouring more oil on the fires of defeatism.

bearboiblake@pawb.social · 8 pts · 279d (4 replies)

You can't vote your way out of this shit, even if you elect the greatest people ever to live, the entire system is built up with entrenched elites. The military, the media, the intelligence services, the judiciary, lobbyists, and so on. And people can be corrupt and selfish even if they start with good intentions.

There is only one solution: revolution.

luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 279d (3 replies)

And how would you go about that revolution?

Voter frustration is a more powerful support than voter apathy. Not voting leaves you with no target to be pissed at; having your vote betrayed provides your anger with direction.

Voting may not be the solution, but it's a tool for communicating and establishing public sentiment, and public sentiment is what separates revolution from a coup.

bearboiblake@pawb.social · 1 pts · 279d (2 replies)

By building a people powered movement through solidarity, establishing workers co-operatives, industrial unionization, pro-revolutionary social spaces and through direct action. As the working class becomes increasingly organized and class conscious, we can increasingly reject capitalism and the state. If the working class refuses to perform labor for the ruling class, in an ideal world, we can remove them from power without a single loss of life. In reality, they would use violence against us, so we would need to be ready to defend ourselves.

By all means, vote away, under our current system, it can be viewed as harm reduction. But if you have time and energy to spare, that time and energy would be far better spent agitating for real change and engaging in the activities I mentioned above.

Vitally, learn about anarchism, and how it presents a solution to our deeply, fundamentally broken society.

luciferofastora@feddit.org · 1 pts · 279d (1 reply)

By building a people powered movement through solidarity, establishing workers co-operatives, industrial unionization, pro-revolutionary social spaces and through direct action.

Do you have concrete suggestions for what I personally could do? I often read these things online, but it feels like buzzwords and technical terms thrown around in the expectation that they should mean something to the audience, but I'm not sure they do.

What I mostly do so far is try to sprinkle offhand comments into conversations to (hopefully) sow seeds of class consciousness without actually getting preachy and pushing people away. I don't know how much that helps.

Vitally, learn about anarchism, and how it presents a solution to our deeply, fundamentally broken society.

I've had the anarchist FAQ tab open in my browser since forever, but I find it hard to read and work (by design) often leaves me too tired to meaningfully engage with it.

This circles back into the issue of not knowing what to do: dedicated articles tend to be heavy on quotes, arguments why it's important and general principles. I don't need convincing, I need direction.

bearboiblake@pawb.social · 1 pts · 278d

Sure, my suggestion would be to join the IWW (Industrial Workers of the World) and get involved locally with them or some other direct action group in your area.

Hopefully where you live there is already a group of people doing these things and they can help you get more into it.

arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone · 62 pts · 280d (4 replies)

The politicians in this country are completely out of touch with reality.

frunch@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 280d (2 replies)

How much could a banana cost, Michael? $10?

jaybone@lemmy.zip · 21 pts · 280d (1 reply)

There’s always money in the Afghanistand

regdog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 280d

I've made a huge mistake

4am@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 280d

No no no; politicians in this country are used to being able to lie with impunity and have the backing of the state enforce their positions.

Why do you think there are suddenly 19 new/resurrected Internet bills that are like “the government needs the ability to monitor and record and totally ban every click and pixel of every American at all times of all devices without warrant or question FOR THE CHILDREN”

Yeah it’s because they realize they’re cooked.

Why do you think there is always suck outrage at “TikTok”? For all the reasons it sucks, they had far less control over TikTok than the other platforms, and it scared the shit out of them.

America has been using our labor and wealth to do genocide and imperialism since the fall of the Nazis (edit:’far longer at home but we weren’t such prolific exporters until then) and they have mostly kept the wool over our eyes, but their little project has gotten out of hand and now it’s too ridiculous to hide.

They would rather imprison us all than to fail, and it seems they’ll fucking try.

curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 50 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Of course she did. She's a piece of shit. No part of me is surprised.

SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 280d

Facts

IzzyScissor@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 280d

Wish she would Pokemon Go to a nursing home already.

Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 46 pts · 280d

There's a reason you lost to Trump, hilary.

FE80@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 280d (1 reply)

The Democratic party chose to lose to Trump with Clinton, instead of win with Bernie Sanders.

wooffersyt@lemmings.world · 7 pts · 279d
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socsa@piefed.social · 45 pts · 278d

Jesus fucking Christ all you have to do is shut the fuck up

SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 280d (2 replies)

it was very difficult because they did not know history

Yea because the average Israeli knows so much about the founding of their country. Who are the people who have been fed biblical propaganda all their entire lives?

chaogomu@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 280d

I've found that the more you know of the actual history of Israel, the more fucked up it all seems.

Maeve@kbin.earth · 6 pts · 280d

Who are the people who have been fed biblical Zionist propaganda all their entire lives?

FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 280d

Why don't you Pokémon Go fuck yourself

TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 39 pts · 280d (2 replies)

It would cost her zero dollars to shut the fuck up.

mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 280d (1 reply)

would it, though? what's she still getting in return for pushing this kind of shit? probably not nothing

PangurBan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d

Exactly. Speaking out makes no sense. So why do it?

abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 39 pts · 280d (2 replies)

OK, isn't this literally a conspiracy pushed by far right Israeli politicians who openly call for the genocide of the Palestinians?

Dogiedog64@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 280d

Yep! And then they burn hundreds of millions to ensure foreign politicians repeat it.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d

Yes, it is a conspiracy pushed by the likes of Hillary Clinton.

ZMoney@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 279d

61 million tons of rubble was just made up. It's all styrofoam brought there by Iran.

SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 38 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Fuck Hillary Clinton. Was she ever “in touch” with the world, or has she always been this way?

I long for the day to see AIPAC dismantled. The tide will turn, eventually.

wooffersyt@lemmings.world · 2 pts · 279d
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horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de · 35 pts · 280d (6 replies)

tamal3@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 279d (5 replies)

What the heck is this image? Did she just walk into somebody's house while they were watering their bamboo? She looks horrified.

Electric_Druid@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 279d (4 replies)

iirc she was being shown what an average flat looked like at poverty wages or something along those lines. The look is, presumably, her unfiltered reaction to what she's seeing before the mask goes back on.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Yes, that look says "ew, poverty."

hatorade@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d

"These people vote for me? Gross."

wooffersyt@lemmings.world · 4 pts · 279d (1 reply)
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hatorade@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 278d

Decades of brainwashing by the capitalists.

foggianism@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Remember, this is the woman that wanted to ruin Rockstar over the Hot Coffee controversy

Cheems@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 279d

She was just upset because Trump was slobbing her husband's knob at the time

Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 280d

Clintons, Bushs, Trumps, fuck these dynastys of POS. We need a social and political revolution right now.

JackbyDev@programming.dev · 32 pts · 280d

The article is from December 2nd, though maybe the conference is from much earlier, so barring that... The fucking UN said on September 16th that "Israel has committed genocide in the Gaza Strip." It's absolutely infuriating that people are still viewing this as something controversial or debatable. I was naively hoping that once the UN used the big G word (genocide) that more moderate politicians (being incredibly generous calling them moderate) would finally start acting like it's a genocide.

Source: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 30 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Really, "fake news?" You know who you sound like, right?

incompetent@programming.dev · 7 pts · 280d

Oh, she knows. She just doesn't care.

cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 29 pts · 279d

Phew! I am extremely relieved to find out those videos are fake.

It's pretty fucked up of TikTok to have tricked us like that, but I'm sure under Larry Ellison's new leadership they'll sort things out.

GaryGhost@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 279d

Can't imagine why people thought you're fake

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 279d (25 replies)

Genocide denial in the face of obvious genocide is genocide support.

Clinton remains the de facto head of the centrist wing of the party, and she's telling everyone the only thing they've ever been about.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 279d (24 replies)

“Smart, well-educated, young people from our own country, from around the world, where were they getting their information?” asked Clinton during a New York conference hosted by the Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom. “They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok.”

She continued, “That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow. That’s a serious problem. It’s a serious problem for democracy, whether it’s Israel or the United States, and it’s a serious problem for our young people.”

This is the quote from Clinton. She's bringing up the dangers of media manipulation, and this article's headline kinda proves her point.

mirshafie@europe.pub · 7 pts · 279d

No it doesn't. She's blaming social media for actually getting the truth out there. She's been at the center of US politics for decades, in the White House for a lot of the time. She's just panicking because the narrative that she's been part of pushing is crashing down.

Misinformation is a problem, yes. And traditional media also reports misinformation. Here is how responsible actors react to misinformation.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 279d (13 replies)

All I see is the Queen of the Centrists assuming anyone who disagrees with her must be stupid or gullible instead of absolutely right.

So basically a centrist acting like every other centrist I've ever encountered. Dead wrong and arrogant about it.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 279d (6 replies)

She doesn't say anything close to that actually, try to read the article again in a more matter-of-factly way. Your completely legitimate political opinions -I don't particularly like Hillary Clinton myself- shouldn't prevent you from judging what she says fairly.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 278d (5 replies)

"You're taking what he's saying out of context! That's not what he meant!" -trump supporters.

hatorade@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.

Now that Harris moved the needle to 2016 Republicans, it's now time for the DNC brainwormed shitlibs to say that anything that the DNC told them is Fake News. You can't pay rent? Fake news! Line went up!

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 278d (3 replies)

Huh? I'm not a Trump supporter nor a Clinton supporter. What are you going on about?

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d (2 replies)

You're supporting clinton (because she supports the genocide you live for) and acting like a trump supporter to do it.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d

I don't support Clinton, I don't support Trump, I'm in favor of sanctioning Israel and recognizing Palestine immediately. Don't know what you're talking about, try to assume less.

wesdym@mastodon.social · -2 pts · 278d (5 replies)

@Ensign_Crab Well, thanks for offering your useful ideas for.. oh. Sorry, never mind.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d (4 replies)

Well, thanks for demonstrating the "arrogant about it" part.

wesdym@mastodon.social · -4 pts · 278d (3 replies)

@Ensign_Crab You're going to realize some day that just whining a lot might make you feel better for a few minutes, but it won't make anything better, for you or anyone else.

Good luck.

hatorade@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d

You look like a douche here for this. Crab looks better.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d (1 reply)

Doubling down on arrogance isn't going to get you any votes, not like you care if you get any. You can always blame the left you've always hated more than republicans.

hatorade@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d

Amazing how they look like an ass and say you're the weirdo.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 279d (4 replies)

Tiktok is probably a more unbiased source compared to western media.

hatorade@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d

Correct, it's why Congress tried to ban it until it became Trump approved propaganda. It was unbiased, and had to be for American ears.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 279d (2 replies)

If that actually is your opinion, then you're the living proof that Clinton is right. Social media is completely full of disinformation, misinformation and hybrid threats from Russia, China and many more.

Look at the 2024 Romanian presidential election.

herseycokguzelolacak@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 278d (1 reply)

hybrid threats from Russia, China

I'm more worried about hybrid threats from Americans. China never bombed or invaded our corner of the world.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d

America might start being a problem now and if it does we need to start worrying about it. Russia and China have been meddling with the European infosphere for the past 20 years.

deathbird@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 278d (3 replies)

On that very particular point she's not wrong. The collapse of trustworthy news sources and the rise of social media is bad for getting the truth out.

I'd like to get to where we can verify and validate citizen reporting consistently.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 278d (2 replies)

Definitely, that's why I'd be in favour of banning TikTok and requiring all social media platforms to have stronger fact checking mechanism.

Though, the only real solution is to improve the cognitive skills of the population starting when they're children.

deathbird@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 278d (1 reply)

Ironically X's community notes have been pretty good at fact checking posts.

Not sure about bans in general, but short-form video on infinite scroll is 100% brain rot.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 277d

The problem with TikTok is that it clearly pushes Chinese narratives.

See the 2024 Romanian election or this: https://www.dw.com/en/far-right-afd-appears-as-strongest-german-party-on-tiktok/a-69264717

CerealKiller01@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 279d (28 replies)

Hillary Clinton: People are learning about what happened on October 7th from social media. Some of it is totally made up, some of it not at all representing what they claim to be showing. It’s a serious problem for democracy. Headline: Hillary Clinton Says Young Americans Are Pro-Palestine Because They Watch ‘Totally Made Up’ Videos of Gaza Horrors. Lemmy: Fuck Hillary Clinton. Also, MAGA are fueled by fake stuff they see on social media. Also, we can't trust mainstream media.

It's not a matter of being pro-Palestinian, or even who's right. It's a matter of being able to have a conversation with enough common ground.

anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 279d

That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow.

You missed the part being referenced in the headline. She isnt just talking about Oct 7 but everything that took place following it. Her complaint wouldnt make sense in any other context, and it's the same complaint Netanyahu and Blinken have made, too.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 278d

After accepting pro-genocide lies as "common ground."

bless@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 278d

What about the weeks, months, and years before that?

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 279d (23 replies)

Yeah. The media manipulation is real and a society needs to live in the same reality in order to function. Hillary Clinton brought up a totally fair point.

M1ch431@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 279d (11 replies)

If somebody was denying the holocaust and making this point in the context of that denial, would you respond the same way and say it's a totally fair point?

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d (10 replies)

Not at all. Thing is, where did she deny anything? Did you read the article?

I'm not American and I'm fully supportive of Palestine and Palestinians, in favour of sanctions on Israel and of the recognition of the Palestinian state. But media manipulation is probably the biggest danger our societies are facing and it's a problem even on this matter.

M1ch431@slrpnk.net · 19 pts · 279d (9 replies)

It's pretty clear that this is a denial, I suggest you listen to her speak.

From the article:

“It’s not just the usual suspects. It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she claimed, adding, “A lot of the challenge is with younger people. More than 50% of young people in America get their news from social media.”

Clinton complained that when she tried to talk to young people “to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context, and what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda.”

The former first lady concluded, “So just pause on that for a second. They are seeing short-form videos, some of them totally made up, some of them not at all representing what they claim to be showing, and that’s where they get their information.”

If that's not a denial, what is? Even if there is some amount of propaganda, it's undeniable the horrors that have occurred. It's not pure propaganda and she failed to speak to what actually has occurred.

This is literally the same thing as holocaust denial. She's claiming to be an authority of the history of the region, when in reality the history doesn't invalidate or excuse what has occurred for over two years against an occupied people.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d

bluemaga acts like redmaga. Right now you're seeing the "no, what she actually meant was" thing.

hatorade@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d

Remember this when the shitlibs tell us that Clinton was the lesser evil. She is actively for genocide.

mirshafie@europe.pub · 2 pts · 279d

to engage in some kind of reasonable discussion, it was very difficult because they did not know history, they had very little context

I don't need context to know that it's wrong to rape an autistic prisoner to death. I don't need context to know that it's wrong to bomb cattle and fields in order to starve a population. And why should I listen to Hillary fucking Clinton, the single cause for why open-air slave markets could open in Libya. Fuck her and fuck Bubba too.

jj4211@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 279d (2 replies)

That is where they were learning about what happened on October 7th, what happened in the days, weeks, and months to follow.

She includes the actual day of October 7th, and the only possible social media disinformation that day would have been anti-Palestinian, there was like no videos of Israel doing anything vaguely questionable on that day.

She avoids claiming it's only one side or the other. Zionists could accuse her of October 7th denial just as easily.

M1ch431@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 279d (1 reply)

I suggest you re-read the article/listen to her speak because she is clearly taking a side. What she's speaking to is not limited to that day, to the best of my knowledge. If you disagree with the coverage or find it inaccurate, feel free to point out the inconsistencies or distortions.

jj4211@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 279d

I didn't listen, but I read and reread and the thread started with a quote showing the inconsistency and I repeated it highlighting specifically where it could cut the other way.

She carefully avoided taking a side other than social media is full of disinformation. Going for an agonizingly centrist position that fails to condemn either side as bad.

jimbroof@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 279d (2 replies)

If that’s not a denial, what is?

Here's a hypothetical example of what a denial might look like:

"Israel is not committing war crimes in Palestine; everything is by the book and the Palestinians are thankful for having many of their old schools and hospitals demolished to make way for renovations."

The main difference between the two is that the former statements (attributed to Clinton) are fairly accurate and ostensibly made in good faith, whereas the latter statements (the hypothetical example) are not accurate and have the appearance of intentionally creating a false narrative.

To be clear, I think Hillary is a dogshit human being and I think Israel is committing war crimes every day as they continue to murder civilians with the aid of American military tech and funding. But Hillary isn't saying anything that crazy here, or at least not in the actual quotes written in the article.

M1ch431@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 279d

Respectfully, saying, "what they were being told on social media was not just one-sided, it was pure propaganda." is what makes this denial. It's fine if you disagree.

Hillary is free to acknowledge what's happened from a neutral perspective and prove me wrong. But thus far, has she?

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d

Here's what a republican defending something trump said looks like:

Here’s a hypothetical example of what a denial might look like:

wesdym@mastodon.social · -1 pts · 278d (10 replies)

@sbrodolino21 Her big mistake here seems to me to be that she expressed a perspective in language too nuanced for a huge number of rage-filled online readers to be willing or able to sit down and parse.

The beauty of online 'discourse' is that for most of us, being entirely wrong or embarrassingly mistaken, yet being self-righteously arrogant about it, is entire free, with no potential meaningful consequences. It's like being in grade school forever. It's certainly much easier adulthood.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 278d (8 replies)

She dismissed anyone who opposes genocide by claiming the genocide is a tiktok fever dream.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 278d (7 replies)

She literally didn't. Show me the quote.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 278d (6 replies)

You already saw the quote. People have already shown it to you here:

https://lemmy.world/post/39651015/20839991

You just didn't like how she said what you were denying she said, so you ignored it.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 278d

There is literally no denial in that quote as people have commented below it.

sbrodolino21@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 278d

That certainly is one of the problems that play a role here, the lack of nuance. And honestly this whole thread just shows it.

wooffersyt@lemmings.world · 27 pts · 279d (7 replies)
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fodor@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 279d (4 replies)

We definitely didn't nominate her. The DNC secret voters did.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 279d (3 replies)

the AIPAC did, plus a little side dish of russia.

buttnugget@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 279d (2 replies)

This is the political equivalent of saying Jewish space lasers cause hurricanes.

hatorade@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 278d (1 reply)

One is documented and a lobbyist group, one is made up by neo-nazis with no basis in reality. Conflating the two is antisemetic.

It says that anything Jews do (and AIPAC isn't 100% Jews, its Zionists alligned to the cause, so its mostly Christian) is inherantly grouped together, fake or real.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 278d

I think they meant saying Russia interfered in the 2016 primary in support of the butcher of Libya is the loony take.

JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 279d

The DNC nominated her, not the people. In the 2016 primaries they messed with voting registration so that a few demographics more likely to vote Bernie were suddenly on the independent register. A demographic of Bernie bros that were disenfranchised voted R in the presidential. Biden won in '20 because RNC scaled their efforts based on '16 numbers where DNC stubbed their own toes.

The system is working as intended.

hatorade@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 278d

She knew her husband was fucking children and didn't care until it was public.

They attended a wedding together, and both were on Epstein's island at the same time as this.

Shamber@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 280d

The length this hag will go to just feel relevant, shut the fuck up! And keep bending over to your AIPAC god

Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip · 25 pts · 280d

Did the money she sold herself for to say this dumb shit really change her life in any noticable way?

quick_snail@feddit.nl · 25 pts · 279d (9 replies)

I don't get it. Why is she still paying lip service to AIPAC?

Or is she really just an islamophobic, genocidal bitch?

MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 279d (3 replies)

Palestine isn't really a religion problem, Israel just wants the land for themselves, they didn't really care that much in the end about the people there as long as they're not.

quick_snail@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Sure, but what would Hillary have to gain besides support for a political career that no longer exists

Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 279d

She's been telling the same bullshit for so long and surrounded herself with sycophants, that she believes her own lies. She probably has to otherwise she'll realize she's evil.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 279d

Israel just wants the land for themselves

Their name may go on it, but it's never theirs to keep.

No seriously, even if they do capture it, that area is very vulnerable to climate change and is going to get seriously wrecked. I'm guessing a few decades, given how climate change has been picking up the pace recently.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 279d (2 replies)

Or is she really just an islamophobic, genocidal bitch?

😏

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Her campaign started the Islamophobic birther shit against Obama that trump eventually ran with. Not to mention the flag pin nonsense.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d

Her campaign started the Islamophobic birther shit against Obama

Technically that started during his Senate campaign. "You're not a real American" is a very standard conservative attack against PoC candidates.

But boy was she willing to jump on it, and feed it along to her close friend sand perennial mega-donors Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump

ICastFist@programming.dev · 5 pts · 279d

"We came, we saw, he died"

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 279d

still probably funded by them.

HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 279d

This bitch and her husband need to disappear off the face of the Earth already.

So few people manage to be hated by everyone in every political camp in America, yet she and Bill mastered it.

Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 24 pts · 280d (2 replies)

If it talks like a fascist,.....

ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 13 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Walks like a fascist...

Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 280d

And gets cheated on like a fascist...

khepri@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 280d

OMG will this woman please leave us all alone at some point or does she plan to live to 150 before she drags us all down to hell with her?

Professorozone@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 279d

I guess the UN was watching the same made up stuff.

Lianodel@ttrpg.network · 18 pts · 279d

She's in the same camp as Giuliani: A shitty person, who would have had a much better reputation had they just shut the fuck up.

She was always an awful candidate, and the DNC made a HUGE fucking mistake supporting her. But, after Trump, libs would probably joke about her the way they joke about Al Gore. "If only they had won, we would all be at brunch!"

Instead, she pops up every year or two to punch left, remind everyone she sucks, and then does fuck all for anyone until next time.

korendian@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 280d (1 reply)
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Postimo@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 280d

Her going on Colbert to tell people to shut up and that these are their choices for 2024. She clearly does not believe in democracy.

Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 279d

Bitch its time for you to fade into history.

Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 279d (6 replies)

But Democrats are definitely not the soft side of th same team. Lmao.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 279d (5 replies)
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 279d (4 replies)

You think your Democrat lords aren't on the files? You really don't think this has to do with her hubby being in the files?

Hey I wouldn't eat shit even with a cherry on top. But I guess a cherry would make it the 'lesser evil'. Enjoy.

Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 8 pts · 279d

The fact that neither party wanted to release the files from the start tells us there's powerful names in both parties.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 279d

You think your Democrat lords aren’t on the files?

I mean, we've got a video of Bubba topping the Cheeto somewhere out there. But also, Trump was a diehard Democrat until the Obama Era.

Ffs, half the Epstein email dump is him bitching to Steve Bannon about how all his favorite liberal sex pests are losing.

Honytawk@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 279d (1 reply)

I want every pedophile in jail, no matter which side of the political spectrum.

Doesn't change the fact that Democrats are still the better option if you want peace in the middle east.

Randomgal@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 279d

Oh yeah I forgot how Biden stopped sending weapons to Israel... Oh wait.

You can keep denying reality all you like.

SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 14 pts · 280d

Suggestion: let's fly to Gaza together and see it for ourselves, then we can discuss further.

BigDiction@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 279d (1 reply)

“It’s not just the usual suspects. It’s a lot of young Jewish Americans who don’t know the history and don’t understand,” she claimed, adding, “A lot of the challenge is with younger people. More than 50% of young people in America get their news from social media.”

Who exactly are the usual suspects Clinton is referring to?

CoolCat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe she means people of color, as "the usual suspects" is often used in this context, at least on social media. Maybe she means anyone who oposes Israël, usually more left-leaning people.

But who's to say waht she actually meant, I find it purposefully vague. As if she wants people to think about their own "usual suspects", whomever that might be.

MrSulu@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Previously, I'd be agitateted that Hilary was expected to meet a higher standard than Trump. She has dissolved her standards to compete. She needs to be excluded from any rational conversation in the same way we would with Trump. Treat them both the same.

buttnugget@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 279d

Clinton is an identity politics right wing ghoul. Barely better than Trump, but still better along nearly every dimension.

_cryptagion@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 280d (3 replies)
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wildcardology@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Do it yourself instead of asking somebody else.

wooffersyt@lemmings.world · 1 pts · 279d
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NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 2 pts · 280d

Cough cough will no one rid me of this turbulent bitch?

Dorkyd68@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 280d (1 reply)

If you still support the Clinton's then youre a part of the problem

wooffersyt@lemmings.world · 2 pts · 279d
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SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 280d (2 replies)

She was friends with Trump back in the day. It rubs off.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 280d

and Epstein.

possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 280d

It wouldn't surprise me if she bobbing trump's head off of bill's cock since apparently she can't suck worth a fuck, she's an abhorrent ghoul.

0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 279d (9 replies)

But but but the "vote blue no matter who" crowd said democrats are less evil.

Alaik@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 279d (4 replies)

They are. Less evil doesn't mean great or even good. That being said I look forward to voting for your paragon "by any means necessary" movement.

That's coming right? Not just an excuse for why you couldn't vote for better rather than worse because it would inconvenience you?

Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 279d (3 replies)

Quit making excuses for evil

pupbiru@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 279d (2 replies)

quit making excuses for not making the best of a bad situation and instead just shitting the bed and saying well fuck nothing i could have done

buttnugget@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d

These idiots can’t handle the simple truth that once you get to the point that it’s definitely going to be a Democrat or Republican, you vote against the Republican.

It’s that simple and yet they tell their superiors that we’re “making excuses for evil” when that’s what they’re doing, only worse.

Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 279d

Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 279d

And then didn't turn out in Tennessee because the candidate wasn't evil enough for them.

Honytawk@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Compared to Trump: definitely yes.

Trump actually wants a genocide in Palestine. Tell me how that isn't worse.

scapegarced@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 279d

Its not worse because its the excact same, both parties need israel to exsist for their goals in the region

Revan343@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 279d

'less evil' specifically implies still evil

melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 280d

I'm sure Hilary has got her finger on the pulse of the nation. Her husband must think most young americans are just a basket of deflower holes.

EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 11 pts · 279d

So who should we be trusting? Billionaire-owned mainstream media? AIPAC-funded politicians? Because surely they wouldn't be unbiased and would never try to push an agenda. Lol GTFO!

They're just butthurt that their shitty attempts at cramming their agenda down everyone's throats is finally starting to show cracks because they can't hide the truth anymore. The more they double down on their bullshit, the more ridiculous they look.

GaMEChld@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 279d

"You dumb touchy feely kids gotta learn genocide is cool as shit! " -Hilary Clinton

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 280d

Damn she is old

audible_obituary@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 278d

Pokémon Go to the polls!

xc2215x@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 280d

The videos are real.

butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social · 7 pts · 280d

Can this election flopping ghoul please stop with the parade of terrible takes?

LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 279d (1 reply)

She is a nobody now and wants to be in the headlines somehow.

Just ignore her.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 279d

shes like the jill stein for the leftt, owned by aipac, instead its AIPAC and thier backers.

PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 279d

Fuck you Hillary and your pedophile cheating husband. Her ego and arrogance thrusted Trump upon the world.

inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 280d

And why year after year I get tired of holding my nose and voting for weak ass democrats.

Draegur@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 280d (1 reply)

How can this demonic scumbag continue to be SO out of touch. Fuck. Practically their whole fucking generation has been a blight.

wooffersyt@lemmings.world · 4 pts · 279d
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Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 280d

Fucking Fascist!

SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 280d

Wow what a pathetic puppet.

Suprised she can still find someone to pay to stick their hand up her ass

Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 280d
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clot27@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 280d

She is evil

Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 280d

I don't think I've seen any videos at all on this topic... And I am very against the genocide in Gaza.

resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d

🤦

deathbird@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 278d

She's trash, but this does remind me that I am worried about fake outrage bait videos. It's already too good.

bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 280d

Just Shillary saying Shillary things, desperate to remain relevant as usual…

bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 280d

The holy lands should be a DMZ open to all faiths and cultures.

So I am against the serfdom regardless of which side is evil or good.

Jumbie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d

This can simultaneously be an out-of-touch moronic statement and a rightful criticism of that horrid fucking place known as DikDok.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 279d

just like when the gop were using you as benghazi talking pts, sure that is true too?

justaman123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 274d

Yeah I mean this tracks, wasn't she killing Muslims in the middle east when she was secretary of state?

melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 279d

Did any of the young americans watch the death of osama bin laden video? No? It doesn't exist? Not even a made up one? So, american politics holds on to the truth and all the young americans watch made up crap? Is that it?

Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 279d (11 replies)

My favorite part about the meltdown in this thread is that the people who are seething over Hillary today are the same exact people who defended her tooth and nail back in 2016 despite her always being the exact same.

stephen01king@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 279d (8 replies)

How did you know? Do you have the receipts for your claim? It's also possible that these people you're referring to have gained more information that made them change their mind since then. So is it that you think they should've doubled down on their choice back then, instead?

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d (6 replies)

How did you know?

Because this is .world?

stephen01king@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 279d (5 replies)

That's not an answer. Plenty of people on .world don't support establishment democrats. Both you and the top commenter are .world accounts, after all.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d (4 replies)

Plenty of people on .world don’t support establishment democrats.

Let's just put it this way: if the genocide runs to completion like the clinton wing of the party wants, .world is where the party's gonna be.

stephen01king@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 279d (3 replies)

Did you forget what the claim I refuted was? That it was the exact people seething about Clinton now are the same ones defending her unquestionably back then.

Is your assertion that the people who would party if the genocide runs to completion back then are the same ones seething at Hillary now for still supporting the genocide? Because that doesn't make logical sense, does it?

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d (2 replies)

Did you forget what the claim I refuted was?

You didn't refute a damned thing, but keep crowing about something you didn't do. It's the centrist way.

Is your assertion that the people who would party if the genocide runs to completion back then are the same ones seething at Hillary now for still supporting the genocide?

As was predicted. “One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.” - Omar El Akkad

stephen01king@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 278d

You're right, I didn't refute. Wrong word used there. i was asking for receipt, because saying .world is not a receipt. If I accused you of doing the same thing the guy accused these people of, would you accept if the only receipt I used is the fact that you're a .world account?

I never said they didn't do the thing they're being accused of, I just have a better standard of proof than what server they started their Lemmy account in. Turns out you didn't, so I am quite disappointed in you.

As was predicted. “One day, when it’s safe, when there’s no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it’s too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this.” - Omar El Akkad

But it's not too late. The people who are responsible in your assertion are still alive and still doubling down on the genocide, so by what metric are you measuring the people here who are already acting against genocide before your prediction has come true? It doesn't seem like you thought your logic through.

Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d

You would've been right if things changed since then, but no, Hillary has been the same for decades now. She was always a slimy politician that stood for nothing. She always flipped flopped her stances overnight to whatever is more politically convenient for her. She was always knee deep in war crimes, lies, and corruption. What new information could have possible been acquired over the past decade that wasn't available prior? The point is that the same people who used to support her, defend her, and campaign for her now swear that they never supported her in the first place. It's a demonstration of inconsistent principles, not growth.

unphazed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 279d (1 reply)

Not I. I still remember the days leading to her campaign where she jumped on the "Video games need rating limits, this Grand Theft Auto game proves kids are buying games they sre too young for" train. Then the entire DNC got quiet when the ESRB spoke out and said, "WTF do you think we've been doing? Kids can't unless their parents or stores stop letting them. Proved to me she is just another damn puppet to tow the line and induce fear and false outrage.

Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d

She's the type of slimy politician that stands for nothing. She used to be very vocal under the Bush years about how she opposed gay marriage. However, the moment it become politically convenient for her to switch sides, she did and became pro gay marriage overnight. I wouldn't be surprised that if she got another shot at public office again and the social climate was again against gay marriage that she would do a 180 yet again.

WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 0 pts · 280d
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WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 0 pts · 280d

Always punch up.

itisileclerk@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 279d

I guess USA was lucky not electing her in 2016. I mean, not that Trump was great but this piece of shit, genocide denayer doesn't deserve to be anything but ridiculed and shamed for her claims.

Socialjusticewarrior@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 279d
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vga@sopuli.xyz · -14 pts · 280d (5 replies)

She's right. I'm sure Lemmy users will be happy to learn this and will in the future look at online content with a more critical and discerning eye.

WraithGear@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 280d (2 replies)

i am glad i discovered the user tagging feature, it helps me realize that all the pro palestine genocide posts belong to very few actual users and genocide apologia overall is from a vanishingly small minority

Smeagol666@crazypeople.online · 4 pts · 280d

I assumed this person was being sarcastic, but I realize you can't take anything for granted these days.

vga@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 280d
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gruvn@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 280d

Except for the important fact that the videos are not "totally made up".

MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 280d

I can't tell if serious or sarcasm.

notsosure@sh.itjust.works · -53 pts · 280d (7 replies)

My point exactly. Over the last 40-50 years, pro-Palestinian news bytes have shown one thing: the Palestine cause is great at marketing, especially to young people. However, this doesn’t mean Israel has a clean vest… it simply shows the complexity of the conflict and that only a two state solution might get this solved.

antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml · 42 pts · 280d (1 reply)

Great at marketing? You call appeals to the humanity of people being systematically ethnically cleansed or genocided is...marketing? Are the videos of dismembered children marketing?

Get your two stater, Israel apologist ass out of here.

Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 278d

You call appeals to the humanity of people being systematically ethnically cleansed or genocided is…marketing?

That's what happens when you genuinely can't imagine that people who aren't you are capable of experiencing suffering.

NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 31 pts · 280d

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about? The fucking satellite imagery showing half the strip being reduced to rubble isn't made up.

Over the last 40-50 years, pro-Palestinian news bytes have shown one thing: the Palestine cause is great at marketing, especially to youn people.

Absolutely not. Palestinians and pro-Palestinians are absolutely terrible at marketing. There's a reason that with few exceptions the only places where Zionism didn't find purchase were the ones where people were reading about the Nakba in the daily newspaper and it took a livestreamed genocide for anti-Zionism to become something resembling mainstream elsewhere.

it simply shows the complexity of the conflict

Nothing is complex about this.

gothic_lemons@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 280d
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yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 280d
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0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 279d
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Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 278d

Peak lemmy.