UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer has written an op-ed piece in The Sun promising "I will not sacrifice Great British industry to the drum-banging, finger-wagging Net Zero extremists"
Which means he's willing to sacrifice all the industry to appease the fossil fuels industry.
26 Comments
GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml · 34 pts · 1y
What good is it to get a labour government if labour is just becoming another conservative party?
egrets@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
It's been this way for nearly thirty years. Vote Conservative or vote Slightly-More-Agreeable-Conservative, and with FPTP, your third-party vote may as well have been for Father Christmas for all the difference it will make.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y
Um…is Father Christmas an option?
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 8 pts · 1y
The Labour Party stabbed the miners in the back in 1984: it's not becoming, it is.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 1y
This man should be tarred and feathered and strung up in the town square for all to see
yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 1y
Another asshole that wants us to go extinct for profit, UK citizens I think it's time for you to follow the French and remove this man
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
The issue with fighting climate change is that it’s a game of chicken between all the countries. If the UK goes all out and eliminates all emissions (at the cost of some portion of its economy) but every other country stays the course, then climate change just carries on and the UK’s sacrifice is in vain.
Similarly, if every other country in the world buckles down and stops climate change but the UK carries on, the UK ends up ahead. This means there is a double disincentive to cooperate on climate change.
Canada is going through this issue right now. The Liberal government has gone forward with carbon taxes and now these policies have become deeply unpopular. The Liberal party is now staring down the barrel of a potentially historic defeat in the upcoming election next year.
mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 1y
Countries that fail to invest in new technologies like solar and batteries will be left behind economically. Their investment in fossil fuels is going to be worth less and less, and they will have nothing to replace it with.
But, we are going to prop up large vested fossil fuel interests as long as possible, of course.
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Yes, this is clear enough in the long run. But the question is: will the transition happen fast enough to prevent a climate change catastrophe?
mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1y
If we don't avoid the climate change catastrophe, then current investments are going to be even less valuable than if we do. That's no argument for continuing to prop up those industries.
I have a feeling that the fossil-fuel investors, to the extent that they trouble their pretty heads about it at all, think that, so long as they make enough money now, they can just run really good air conditioning and it won't affect them. Idiots.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 1y
Yes, but countries are starting to implement carbon taxes on trade with each other. So countries that don't reduce would be tarriffed higher, to counteract this problem.
It is also why most agreements are multinational with targets to be met.
vapourisation@programming.dev · 2 pts · 1y
Isn't it less of a game of a chicken and closer to a global Prisoners Dilemma? The best option for everyone is for everyone to do the thing, the best option for individuals is to not do the thing but the worst thing for everyone is to not do the thing?
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Yes. Chicken is an example of a prisoner’s dilemma, though with the key difference that it plays out in real time instead of a single instant.
Tragedy of the commons is usually the result of a large group game of chicken/PD.
vapourisation@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1y
I don't think I've ever thought of chicken that way... Questioning if I even understand it at all 😂
But yes, you're right, the whole thing requires everyone to contribute equally for it all to work properly but, since everyone can momentarily benefit more by not, and politics is painfully shortsighted, they won't do the right thing.
scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org · 5 pts · 1y
This is par for the course for Keir
Fontasia@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 1y
Lib Dems: "oh for fucks sake, this country is going to be handed to us looking like prophylactic bin of a whorehouse."
DarkThoughts@fedia.io · 3 pts · 1y
Maybe the so called net zero extremists should do more than just "finger-wagging".
veganpizza69@lemmy.vg · 3 pts · 1y
All you have to do to understand this problem is to think about all the jobs in coal, oil, gas, plastics, slaughter houses, meat processing, and car manufacturing. And all the pensions.
In general, fossil jobs need to go. We can't get around this fact.
Leftists need to dig deep into history and realize that socialism existed before fossil industry. While abundance sounds great, there is no abundance of means and places to put atmospheric carbon in (sinks). Many carbon sinks are burning and defrosting as we speak.
Fortunately, leftism has a long tradition of managing scarcity. That's missing from these parties. Example:
Seize the Means of Carbon Removal: The Political Economy of Direct Air Capture , by Andreas Malm and Wim Carton.
And a discussion on YouTube: The Imperial Mode of Living - Ulrich Brand & Markus Wissen, comments by Lucas Poy
Bonus meme:
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
“
PeaceProsperity for our time!”floofloof@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 1y
And no prosperity for the time that comes after it.
Every now and then I find this cathartic to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyQGrq-Y7gg
deegeese@sopuli.xyz · -4 pts · 1y
Mainstream politicians cannot afford to tank the economy or they are soon out of a job.
How can they achieve net zero without regular folks losing their jobs? It’s hard to put into practice.
whotookkarl@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
You can't just make and sell cars as a superior mode of transportation and propose policy that effectively is net zero horses as human and cargo transport. Think of all the ferriers, oat farmers, and veterinarians that would put out of a job.
deegeese@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1y
If you proposed to ban horses in 1904 you’d get laughed out of parliament.
Democratically elected politicians don’t have the ability to impose top-down policies opposed by the people who elected them.
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
And yet, somehow, this doesn't stop surveillance bills?
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
It’s really not that hard. It might take time but wind and solar (plus battery backup) are already the cheapest forms of energy. And not doing it is going to be way more expensive. The UK already gets the remnants of Atlantic hurricanes. Have fun dealing with them not being remnants. Or if the AMOC collapses and it’s 30°C colder in parts of Europe.
We already have the technology to get there. It’ll take time/money to manufacture and deploy it but the UK could probably cover its energy needs with wind alone. Sorry if that means BP goes under but they had an oil spill near where I live so zero pity from me.
MrMakabar@slrpnk.net · -2 pts · 1y
This is a lot more complicated. The jobs in the oil and gas industry are well paid and will be hard to replace for a number of communities. A refinery creates a lot of union jobs, with great pay for example. Combustion engines also provide more jobs then electric drive trains. So fewer jobs in the car industry. Also companies like Rolls Royce. It is hard to find a replacement for jet engines, which can do something similar. Airbus in general is a big employer in the UK, especially with the entire supply chain.
That is just some stuff coming to mind. It really is not that simple. Obviously there are new green jobs created, but those jobs are not necessarily in the same places, as the old fossil fuel ones.