Oh believe me we will, but we have to wait for them to call an election (likely autumn 2024). They're roundly despised and they know it. They're just milking as much as they can before they're flung out of Parliament.
Aye. The logical conclusion to this if left unchecked is restriction all the way down to the OS level. Don't let them take this first step. If they do, the others will follow.
This is why I'm worried about Signal. Signal is designed as a central service, which means its easy to block/kill. If similar laws are brought to the country Signal operates from then it could be shutdown. Centralized applications are easy to monetize and easy to kill.
Perfect doesn't have to be the enemy of good. Signal is Good, it could be better. There is a architectural weakness. There will be some other messenger that ticks all the boxes in the future, hopefully they will take what signal has done and continue to improve it.
Signal is the easy for adoption because of the phone number as identity, but its weak because of the centralization. Its currently the best option. I don't want to spend effort moving normal people to Briar or Session until its absolutely necessary, or those applications improve the onboarding experience.
You can't send voice messages and videos or any type of file except for photos on Briar. I don't have a problem with that myself, but it uses a lot of battery power.
The law laws will be written so that they don't need to prove it. The suspicion will be enough, and innocent people will be punished for transmitting or storing unintelligible data.
In a selfish way... I'd like for the UK to do this and for it to go horribly horribly wrong for them. Maybe that would finally get the US reps to get their heads out of their butts so l don't have to keep signing petitions and writing essays about why weakening encryption is a horrible idea.
@Dark_Arc this is generally referred to as accelerationism and I think it's a cromulent ideology.
If you think the only way to get to a sane world is to achieve and pass through the insane one first, then doing it as quickly as possible makes sense.
Just two years ago the politicians fearmongered that quantum comouters will break every encryption without delay. This bill speaks quite different story.
Or we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt… or at least, yet!
If you don’t know who isn’t corrupt, vote for independents that understand technology. I know it’ll never happen so things will continue to go downhill but gees, what do governments have to do to get people to wake up? 🤬
Hell, i’ll be happy if people just stopped believing ‘for the sack of the children’ crap and realise its all about controlling the population! 🙄🤦♂️
we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt
Audiences who flock to liars and deceivers seems to be trending in bad direction. Business leaders, politicians. What Cambridge Analytica unleashed as mass psychology tactics in 2014 may be very difficult to undo.
corrupt… or at least, yet!
Things like term limits seemed to help stop some of the problems of people corrupting once they got into positions of power. But now it seems crowds of more and more people are choosing pre-corrupted, cheering on corruption.
There are so many trends with technology that seem to favor another 1930's Europe situation. The 1940 film "The Great Dictator" describes it pretty well, and it is sad how much love and compassion seem to be out of favor as people march more and more towards mechanized hate-driven systems of society. I really hope a pro-humanism civil rights movement takes hold, like Martin Luther King Jr's kind of teaching, but it seems to not happen that a popular person like that comes to the top. Even a Carl Sagan type person with mass popularity to much of what Sagan shared in his books and speeches would be a good direction.
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pineapplelover@lemm.ee · 31 pts · 3y
Can't you guys tell your MPs to get that shit out of here?
itsmikeyd@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 3y
Oh believe me we will, but we have to wait for them to call an election (likely autumn 2024). They're roundly despised and they know it. They're just milking as much as they can before they're flung out of Parliament.
They're a disgrace.
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 3y
Which makes you wonder what the point in this bill even is. They will barely get an opportunity to make use of it.
itsmikeyd@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 3y
They just like swinging their dicks to show they did something.
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 3y
Oh, they've done things. That's the problem.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 3y
Is there any indication that Labour would be any better on this particular issue?
WeThePilgrims@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 3y
Very very very little indication they would be better, and I'm very left of center in politics.
Starmer is very suss as far as I'm concerned, I'm not at all comfortable with his purges...if he gets in, we'll see.
itsmikeyd@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 3y
Idk. Im very pessimistic that this county is capable of any reasonable decision making tbh.
Rusticus@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 3y
Apple has said they’ll pull out of UK if required. I won’t use any software that abides.
clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 3y
Apple are operating in China by caving in to the government. I don't think they'll be more radical work the UK.
Marxine@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 3y
When it isn't the USA it's their daddy Britain, ffs.
Potato_in_my_anus@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 3y
Is there anything we can do about it?
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 3y
Refuse to use any software that bows to this bullshit.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 3y
Keep using software that doesn't bow. Let them struggle to enforce any encryption ban. Safety in numbers.
Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3y
Aye. The logical conclusion to this if left unchecked is restriction all the way down to the OS level. Don't let them take this first step. If they do, the others will follow.
salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social · 1 pts · 3y
Or even worse, locked bootloaders and a crack down on jailbreaking.
ilovegodette@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3y
I think Mental Outlaw did a video on this. He said we should use foss forks of projects or something.
jet@hackertalks.com · 20 pts · 3y
This is why I'm worried about Signal. Signal is designed as a central service, which means its easy to block/kill. If similar laws are brought to the country Signal operates from then it could be shutdown. Centralized applications are easy to monetize and easy to kill.
supercheesecake@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 3y
Alternatives that aren’t so obscure you can’t get your family/friends to switch?
jet@hackertalks.com · 13 pts · 3y
Perfect doesn't have to be the enemy of good. Signal is Good, it could be better. There is a architectural weakness. There will be some other messenger that ticks all the boxes in the future, hopefully they will take what signal has done and continue to improve it.
Signal is the easy for adoption because of the phone number as identity, but its weak because of the centralization. Its currently the best option. I don't want to spend effort moving normal people to Briar or Session until its absolutely necessary, or those applications improve the onboarding experience.
https://www.securemessagingapps.com/
Candid_Technology_66@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 3y
You can't send voice messages and videos or any type of file except for photos on Briar. I don't have a problem with that myself, but it uses a lot of battery power.
jet@hackertalks.com · 1 pts · 3y
Briar is a long way from being generally useful to typical users, but i think its a gold standard example of something that is unkillable.
ISOmorph@feddit.de · 2 pts · 3y
SimpleX is the new thing to watch imo. Even protects your metadata while still feeling modern and compfortable
birdcat@lemmy.ml · 14 pts · 3y
Oh wow, the great UK really seems to love to show the world how advanced they are. Decrypt this then 🙄
Password is only 8 characters.
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
jA0ECQMIg4RgH82c4/j+0sC6ASlYlE5UsjX2pJ7EL+c/XvjBdn2sfeaWyVZQenMW h+eMDp4vCSbhvVHpzVjwo0mJVKyLnINzjelRVQH0mPBuvs8wsGPitJ04xkixBrEI j/BDvunCqQHKh2rDSbqubuA64+74Zg2FqGsAgnTrxfK/78AFPfL1jM4GODxLt5IT duxVd06lE/zqJmhBL0uInovdKRsOjDoueHJBeXOSFpfYCoUcQsNkcOCZ7XiaaQus CUKVs1nCHWQZtjlRTxUzBRjkNFFVumXY+XI2S35ER8FveB6LdL0bqWCsJxSVUCMb +G3v5ckD/dvxVCrjxfeA4Xlvvk5ivZwsmkaWLz0KUl8tooxD3LBmbU3OTZ27sRxW SgTwGewFgxDTAlcbKaW46WI/Stbs3knYc2rQbMpu/DHqjz2GsYBENXOZEMYCnNtB tgRj6I5IqPieP2ZHUBXu8/ijL6Kl6UxKRtit7m0kttCfFWY8a1yhRfXGn57ZByxi Tj8jFHypznwgpSTE =cl6h -----END PGP MESSAGE-----
freddo@feddit.nu · 16 pts · 3y
Oi M8 do you have a loicense for that Encryption? No? Well then, pay the foine or be branded a terrurist within the Five Eyes. /s
elvis_depresley@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3y
how can you even prove that it’s something encrypted and not random text?
I’m not sure how you can “ban encryption” lol
yetAnotherUser@feddit.de · 5 pts · 3y
This is a random string of emojis btw, there's nothing to see here.
🙃💵🌿🎤🚪🌏🐎🥋🚫😆😍🕹ℹ😁🎈🏎😂☂😊📂☀🙃🌉🔄💧🐅😂🌊🍎☂👣😊😊👁🍵🎅👉🚫💧☺🍌🏎🎃🗒
Ricaz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3y
Actually I just made up my own written language that happens to consist of 64 case-sensitive characters in one string. This is how I communicate
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3y
The law laws will be written so that they don't need to prove it. The suspicion will be enough, and innocent people will be punished for transmitting or storing unintelligible data.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 3y
Give us the password, or it's two years in the clink for you me old matey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000
Five years if you look like a nonce or a Muslim.
immibis@social.immibis.com · 11 pts · 3y
@igalmarino @privacy it won't erode encryption worldwide - any more than China did. They'll just pull out of the UK
Dark_Arc@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3y
In a selfish way... I'd like for the UK to do this and for it to go horribly horribly wrong for them. Maybe that would finally get the US reps to get their heads out of their butts so l don't have to keep signing petitions and writing essays about why weakening encryption is a horrible idea.
immibis@social.immibis.com · 4 pts · 3y
@Dark_Arc this is generally referred to as accelerationism and I think it's a cromulent ideology.
If you think the only way to get to a sane world is to achieve and pass through the insane one first, then doing it as quickly as possible makes sense.
salient_one@lemmy.villa-straylight.social · 10 pts · 3y
Tell me that pushing this sort of 1984 inspired stuff wasn't one of the reasons for Brexit.
1984@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 3y
It was.
NecoArcKbinAccount@kbin.social · 9 pts · 3y
UK hermit kingdom speedrun, especially with the rumors of Scotland getting independence.
jibbist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3y
Scottish Indy movement has been put back by 10+ years after the political and possibly illegal financial fuckups of the main indy party SNP.
They still have control over most of Scotland, but their political power in Westminster is still fairly small, this might change next election though
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 3y
Yeah, that's not how it works.
Certainity45@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 3y
Just two years ago the politicians fearmongered that quantum comouters will break every encryption without delay. This bill speaks quite different story.
paulcdb@kbin.social · 2 pts · 3y
Or we could all just vote for people that aren’t corrupt… or at least, yet!
If you don’t know who isn’t corrupt, vote for independents that understand technology. I know it’ll never happen so things will continue to go downhill but gees, what do governments have to do to get people to wake up? 🤬
Hell, i’ll be happy if people just stopped believing ‘for the sack of the children’ crap and realise its all about controlling the population! 🙄🤦♂️
birdcat@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 3y
Yea voting is great, but when was the last time the UK had a prime minister that anyone voted for?
RoundSparrow@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 3y
Audiences who flock to liars and deceivers seems to be trending in bad direction. Business leaders, politicians. What Cambridge Analytica unleashed as mass psychology tactics in 2014 may be very difficult to undo.
Things like term limits seemed to help stop some of the problems of people corrupting once they got into positions of power. But now it seems crowds of more and more people are choosing pre-corrupted, cheering on corruption.
RoundSparrow@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 3y
There are so many trends with technology that seem to favor another 1930's Europe situation. The 1940 film "The Great Dictator" describes it pretty well, and it is sad how much love and compassion seem to be out of favor as people march more and more towards mechanized hate-driven systems of society. I really hope a pro-humanism civil rights movement takes hold, like Martin Luther King Jr's kind of teaching, but it seems to not happen that a popular person like that comes to the top. Even a Carl Sagan type person with mass popularity to much of what Sagan shared in his books and speeches would be a good direction.
ran2wall@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 3y
NWO is happening before our very eyes, guys