Surface to air missiles use various forms of shrapnel depending on the missile, this is basically 100% a SAM. This also looks very similar to the damage from the other airliner Russia shot down a few years ago with one of their mobile Sam units.
FlAK stands for FlugAbwehrKanone, meaning air defence cannon. What you mean is shrapnel, which air defence missiles use to shoot down planes.
The Gepard is a SHORAD system using airburst autocannons to hit stuff, but airliners usually fly too high for that. The Russian equivalents from newest to older systems are the Pantsir, the Tunguska and the Shilka, IDK if they still use Shilkas though.
plane was hit at about 3km, so within range of even MANPADS and pantsir guns, but it was a bit misty so IR and photocontrast guidance is out. azeris suspect command guided pantsir missile, that is 57e6 or similar, which has some 7x less explosive than buk missile used in mh17 shootdown
shilkas are still good against drones so i suspect they do use them. ukrainians use everything down to 12.7mm and 7.62mm machine guns for this purpose
What sort of gun produces so many holes of so varying sizes, let alone that accurately? Or do you mean they randomly unloaded once or was on the ground?
Same kind of damage as on MH17 which was a BUK missile if I remember correctly. It basically explodes near the target like a big handgrenade causing scattered damage like this.
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Hello@reddthat.com · 65 pts · 1y
Did they shoot down another civilian airliner recently?
tal@lemmy.today · 63 pts · 1y
https://www.euronews.com/2024/12/25/azerbaijani-passenger-plane-crashes-near-kazakh-city-of-aktau
EDIT:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan_Airlines_Flight_8243
lesinge@sh.itjust.works · -33 pts · 1y
Right. Not the result of a SAM... this time.
Edit: Good meme though.
Edit 2: I was wrong. My bad. I misread something when the news broke. It was those POS Russians and SAM. Again.
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 48 pts · 1y
wdym not result of SAM
HKPiax@lemmy.world · 64 pts · 1y
It clearly fell from a window
jonne@infosec.pub · 38 pts · 1y
Those are definitely caused by birds /s.
metaStatic@kbin.earth · 23 pts · 1y
clearly suicide
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
Yeah, stupid pilots keep tossing their cans out the window.
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 1y
mutant chickens from girkin's biolab
lesinge@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
Late response because I'm on vacation:
I was wrong. Thanks for your post. Vile Putin.
JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y
Those are not the markings that a Surface-to-Air-Missile leaves on a plane. I'd reckon those look more like bullet holes
ETA: I know less than I thought. My bad
Strykker@programming.dev · 9 pts · 1y
Surface to air missiles use various forms of shrapnel depending on the missile, this is basically 100% a SAM. This also looks very similar to the damage from the other airliner Russia shot down a few years ago with one of their mobile Sam units.
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 1y
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/azerbaijan-airlines-flight-was-downed-by-russian-air-defence-system-four-sources-2024-12-26/
Neon@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 1y
Tbf it looks like FLAK more than anything else.
What's the Russian equivalent of the Gepard?
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 21 pts · 1y
FlAK stands for FlugAbwehrKanone, meaning air defence cannon. What you mean is shrapnel, which air defence missiles use to shoot down planes.
The Gepard is a SHORAD system using airburst autocannons to hit stuff, but airliners usually fly too high for that. The Russian equivalents from newest to older systems are the Pantsir, the Tunguska and the Shilka, IDK if they still use Shilkas though.
Eheran@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Gerpard does not use airburst, it needs to directly hit. The rounds have a timed fuse to avoid hitting the ground, so they explose after some seconds.
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1y
wait doesn't gepard use AHEAD, what was all that fuss with swiss refusing reexport of that special ammo
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 1y
plane was hit at about 3km, so within range of even MANPADS and pantsir guns, but it was a bit misty so IR and photocontrast guidance is out. azeris suspect command guided pantsir missile, that is 57e6 or similar, which has some 7x less explosive than buk missile used in mh17 shootdown
shilkas are still good against drones so i suspect they do use them. ukrainians use everything down to 12.7mm and 7.62mm machine guns for this purpose
Neon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Schrapnell like the ones of FlaK-Explosivgeschosse you say?
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 1y
they don't have anything like that, if you mean programmable airburst ammunition
Neon@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 1y
Hm, yeah, that's ehat I meant.
But surely a SAM wouldn't have gone unnoticed?
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 12 pts · 1y
i think that crash gave plenty of notice
Serinus@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 1y
Looks more like guns than a missile, but what do I know.
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 33 pts · 1y
irregular, non-circular holes make me think fragments more than anything else
Eheran@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1y
What sort of gun produces so many holes of so varying sizes, let alone that accurately? Or do you mean they randomly unloaded once or was on the ground?
krimson@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1y
Same kind of damage as on MH17 which was a BUK missile if I remember correctly. It basically explodes near the target like a big handgrenade causing scattered damage like this.
magikmw@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y
Could be flak explosion.
pennomi@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 25 pts · 1y
birdstrike by Su-34 or Mig-29
jia_tan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
https://sopuli.xyz/post/20650603
Valmond@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 1y
It's time to take out these motherfuckers, EU what the hell are you all waiting for!
hakase@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y
The US to step in and do it for them, as per usual.
Valmond@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
I never thought I'd say this but maybe, just maybe the crazy trump rhetoric might have a positive influence on this.
Hiro8811@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Bro what the fuck did you smoke? Didn't countless wars taught you anything
Valmond@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Didn't "peace in our time" teach you anything? Seems like you're the one smoking too much.
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1y
oh hey look a civilian airliner
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 1y
https://youtube.com/shorts/ojatI-1B4aE?si=s6UFqFYucYzMx6pM
Agility0971@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Looking forward for the MentorPilot video on this one