to me its also the turkish persecution of and brutal fight against the kurdish movement, where they will go as far as bombing civilians even outside their own country and work with islamist militias
Right? That country started backsliding democratically a while ago. They’ve suffered from nationalism, populism, and conservatism that landed them essentially a right wing authoritarian. The fact that trump likes Erdogan should be warning enough that all is not well in Turkey.
On a business trip, with some HQ people we visited the partially owned branch of our company in Ankara last year.
We had a super nice and MBA-educated host from investor relations lead us through the day. It was all going well, until a few drinks into dinner, he shared how the CIA funded the terrorist Gülen to ruin the country, and that’s why they have high inflation, etc. I of course smiled along, but was surprised he thinks this way.
I am originally from an eastern European authoritarian country, and 99% of my experience have been that white collar people are cynical and hate the shit government, even if they have to go along with the bullshit propaganda to keep their jobs.
Also, their capital Ankara is quite the shithole, sorry. It has sparkling skyscrapers, but it’s orders of magnitudes behind in livability compared to even to poor European capitals in the Balkans. Blackouts in a luxury hotel, asphalt breaking off the road an hitting our car, concrete jungle of multi-lane roads with no walkability, fast asshole-style driving (not even letting ambulance pass) causing massive traffic.
That bird Is called Turkey in English
It's called India (translated) in Turkish, and many European languages
In India it is also named after Turkey
The Arabic word for it translates to East Africa
Malaysians call it Dutch Chicken
In Cambodia its French chicken
They visited turkey as tourists and were exploited through high prices, haggling, rude and impatient service sector workers
They met some of the brainwashed assholes that are sucking up to the current dictator
They have an immigrant community of turks in their country that don't assimilate
They are or have connections to a historical group of people with bad blood with turks (serbs, greeks, armenians) NB : I do not think that those people are bad.
Because the current state of the country is a fucking disaster for various perspectives
BECAUSE TÜRKİYE NUMBER VAN BAYBEE, DATS VHY I LIVE DIASPORA TIME! IS NICE!
armenia repeatedly declined the invitation for discussing this matter in court and opening their archives. all of your ideas about the turk-armenian conflicts are put in your head by propaganda. armenian lobby is strong in the us and also in eu.
you can fight with windmills and put words in my mouth all you want. lobbying in us and eu is very clear. if you are certain that turks committed genocide in eastern anatolia lets all open our archives in court and discuss this matter clear and openly. even pashinyan avoided this matter recently.
Lobbying from a small nation with no money, resources or military power, that doesn't even buy our stuff and snuggles up to Russia for protection? I don't really see how that would work. It doesn't check out with the behaviour of US/EU other conflicts, like Israel or Armenia-Azerbaijan, where we immediately sided with the party that had oil/gas and bought our weapons.
I'm willing to have my mind changed, but the gut feeling doesn't really point that way here
Ask Serj Tankian how he feels about the government of Turkiye.
A not insignificant amount of people probably know as much, or more, about System of a Down than they do about Turkiye... and thus likely know Turkiye as 'that beautiful, diverse country that is unfortinately still run by an autocrat who won't acknowledge past/ongoing ethnic repression and genocide.'
In turkey the bird is named Hindi, after India. In the Netherlands is called after Calicut. In Portugal, it's called after Peru, however in Arabic it's an Ethiopian rooster. In Malaysia is called a Dutch bird.
The explanation is that people through America was India, hence calling it after India a lot (Peru being what Portugese thought was America).
However the people who first encountered the bird they thought it loaded like a particular woodfoul that was imported from Turkey, calling it a turkey bird.
India and other Asian countries only know it from European trade, calling it either Turkey, Dutch chicken or something else like fire bird (china).
From "poule d'inde", litterally "hen from India", which got shortend as such things tend to be. And it replaced the delicious Christmas goose for a while because it was "exotic".
I hate Turkey because I played Kinght Online back in the day and it went from most people speaking English (as it was a global mmo) to everyone speaking Turkish basically overnight.
So basically the Turks conquered the online territory I was part of.
Do people actually hate Turkish people? I know they can be obnoxious in online games, but in real life they are pretty wholesome. And I think It's generally the same for all Turkic peoples, but I haven't met many.
Still mostly a democracy? Erdogan just had the opposition candidate for president arrested and is in progress with getting him disqualified from running entirely. Turkiye has not been a democracy for a long time and the dictator is just doing it in the open now.
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Samsy@lemmy.ml · 186 pts · 1y
Maybe it's because of it's autocrat leader?
riwo@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 115 pts · 1y
to me its also the turkish persecution of and brutal fight against the kurdish movement, where they will go as far as bombing civilians even outside their own country and work with islamist militias
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 1y
Don't forget the Armenian Genocide.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
To be fair that's what most of NATO is/were doing.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 1y
Right? That country started backsliding democratically a while ago. They’ve suffered from nationalism, populism, and conservatism that landed them essentially a right wing authoritarian. The fact that trump likes Erdogan should be warning enough that all is not well in Turkey.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1y
On a business trip, with some HQ people we visited the partially owned branch of our company in Ankara last year.
We had a super nice and MBA-educated host from investor relations lead us through the day. It was all going well, until a few drinks into dinner, he shared how the CIA funded the terrorist Gülen to ruin the country, and that’s why they have high inflation, etc. I of course smiled along, but was surprised he thinks this way.
I am originally from an eastern European authoritarian country, and 99% of my experience have been that white collar people are cynical and hate the shit government, even if they have to go along with the bullshit propaganda to keep their jobs.
Also, their capital Ankara is quite the shithole, sorry. It has sparkling skyscrapers, but it’s orders of magnitudes behind in livability compared to even to poor European capitals in the Balkans. Blackouts in a luxury hotel, asphalt breaking off the road an hitting our car, concrete jungle of multi-lane roads with no walkability, fast asshole-style driving (not even letting ambulance pass) causing massive traffic.
It’s just a very different world and culture.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
Taxi drivers in Turkey are a fucking nightmare to deal with
Zacryon@feddit.org · 18 pts · 1y
All drivers in Turkey are a nightmare to deal with.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 102 pts · 1y
That bird Is called Turkey in English
It's called India (translated) in Turkish, and many European languages
In India it is also named after Turkey
The Arabic word for it translates to East Africa
Malaysians call it Dutch Chicken
In Cambodia its French chicken
And the fucking bird comes from North America
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 35 pts · 1y
In Portuguese is called Perú
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 17 pts · 1y
So there are two countries named Turkey? 🤔
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1y
in portuguese the country peru is called peru, the turkey (bird) is called peru, and turkey (country) is called turquia
so only one is actually called turkey, sadly
edit: none of the peru have a ú, i'm dumb
Phen@lemmy.eco.br · 5 pts · 1y
Both the country and the bird are spelled Peru, no ú in either.
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
wait what do i not know my own language
i just looked it up, ur right
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1y
just to clarify, the bird is called peru. Peru (another country) is called Peru and Turkey is called Turquia
i felt the need to clarify because i feel people might think you meant Peru is how we call Turkey (country).
edit: it's both peru with a normal u, not a ú
jaybone@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
This thread needs a diagram.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
In Australia it's called landgoose
FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 2 pts · 1y
so like, close, but no cigar.
zeca@lemmy.eco.br · 1 pts · 1y
SorteKanin@feddit.dk · 16 pts · 1y
TIL that "kalkun" (danish word for turkey, the bird) actually comes from Calcutta, as in the modern day city of Kolkata in India. Wow.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website · 5 pts · 1y
Same, but "kalkon" in swedish.
I felt slightly smug before I learned that haha
uuldika@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 1y
they thought the bird came from Turkey iirc, that's why it's named like that. 🦃
oxideseven@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y
In French, Quebec/Canada specifically, it's called Dinde. A shortening of coq/poule/poulet d'inde.
Which translates to Indian cock/hen/chick.
It's mainly cus settlers brought it back Europe thinking they were in India.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 90 pts · 1y
People hate us turks for various reasons.
They visited turkey as tourists and were exploited through high prices, haggling, rude and impatient service sector workers
They met some of the brainwashed assholes that are sucking up to the current dictator
They have an immigrant community of turks in their country that don't assimilate
They are or have connections to a historical group of people with bad blood with turks (serbs, greeks, armenians) NB : I do not think that those people are bad.
Because the current state of the country is a fucking disaster for various perspectives
BECAUSE TÜRKİYE NUMBER VAN BAYBEE, DATS VHY I LIVE DIASPORA TIME! IS NICE!
PurpleSkull@lemm.ee · 10 pts · 1y
Everyone in Germany relates. Though the public image of Turks in Germany was vastly improved after OTHER arabic/african immigrants started coming.
Also, give back Constantinople.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1y
but Hans is still willing to claim the kebab as the greatest thing since hamburger steaks.
No
PurpleSkull@lemm.ee · 8 pts · 1y
Well I thought I'd ask. With that I've already done more than the latin kingdoms 1445 onwards.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
I think it's because of schwarma. Mmm.
lithiumground@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 201d
they are mostly fake religious groups. religious bigots threat to humanity
Thcdenton@lemmy.world · 65 pts · 1y
My Armenian neighbors would like to have a word
panzo@lemy.lol · -11 pts · 1y
they killed our civilians, we have words for this too
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 1y
"an unfortunate and voluntary relocation", according to Turkey.
But everyone else can summarize in a single word, it starts with a G
hywoid@lemmy.world · -13 pts · 1y
armenia repeatedly declined the invitation for discussing this matter in court and opening their archives. all of your ideas about the turk-armenian conflicts are put in your head by propaganda. armenian lobby is strong in the us and also in eu.
nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 1y
"System of a Down are paid actors"
- this person, probably
hywoid@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 1y
you can fight with windmills and put words in my mouth all you want. lobbying in us and eu is very clear. if you are certain that turks committed genocide in eastern anatolia lets all open our archives in court and discuss this matter clear and openly. even pashinyan avoided this matter recently.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 1y
Lobbying from a small nation with no money, resources or military power, that doesn't even buy our stuff and snuggles up to Russia for protection? I don't really see how that would work. It doesn't check out with the behaviour of US/EU other conflicts, like Israel or Armenia-Azerbaijan, where we immediately sided with the party that had oil/gas and bought our weapons.
I'm willing to have my mind changed, but the gut feeling doesn't really point that way here
Thcdenton@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 54 pts · 1y
Nah it's terrible here. I hate this country and can't wait to leave especially as a queer person
aramis87@fedia.io · 36 pts · 1y
What is/are these tv series?
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 1y
idk either. maybe anon is from turkey and thinks they're more popular than they actually are?
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
morrowind@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 1y
I think he means in general https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-worlds-second-highest-tv-series-exporter-after-us-73478
cc @festnt@sh.itjust.works and @dharmacurious@slrpnk.net
Pregnenolone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
I would be surprised if this were still true given the popularity of East Asian television shows these days.
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
oh that makes sense, i did not know about that
dharmacurious@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 1y
Really want to know as well :(
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 1y
Ask Serj Tankian how he feels about the government of Turkiye.
A not insignificant amount of people probably know as much, or more, about System of a Down than they do about Turkiye... and thus likely know Turkiye as 'that beautiful, diverse country that is unfortinately still run by an autocrat who won't acknowledge past/ongoing ethnic repression and genocide.'
FreeBeard@slrpnk.net · 27 pts · 1y
The German word for this bird is "Pute". I guess it's called after the French.
remon@ani.social · 7 pts · 1y
"Pute" specifically means the domesticated version of the "Truthuhn".
Guttural@jlai.lu · 6 pts · 1y
The French word is "dinde", and the ethmology IIRC is "from India" (d'Inde)
Now, in French, "pute" is a derogatory term for a prostitute.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 1y
In turkey the bird is named Hindi, after India. In the Netherlands is called after Calicut. In Portugal, it's called after Peru, however in Arabic it's an Ethiopian rooster. In Malaysia is called a Dutch bird.
The explanation is that people through America was India, hence calling it after India a lot (Peru being what Portugese thought was America).
However the people who first encountered the bird they thought it loaded like a particular woodfoul that was imported from Turkey, calling it a turkey bird.
India and other Asian countries only know it from European trade, calling it either Turkey, Dutch chicken or something else like fire bird (china).
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
From "poule d'inde", litterally "hen from India", which got shortend as such things tend to be. And it replaced the delicious Christmas goose for a while because it was "exotic".
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
How is that pu pronounced? Like pew or poo?
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
In english (amongst other languages), the letter "u" can be pronounced two ways.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
You're not being creative enough:
Each has a different pronunciation, because screw you. Oh, and pronunciation differs depending on where you are, often quite dramatically.
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
True!
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 2 pts · 1y
poo-tuh
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
Lol that means something completely different in spanish haha. Spelled puta though.
Xerxos@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
Oder Truthahn
jaybone@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 1y
What is the most popular tv series in nato?
Figured that would be EuroVision or whatever that music competition is called. Which is not from the US.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
Those are seperate points
It's probably "what's fatmagül's fault?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatmag%C3%BCl'%C3%BCn_Su%C3%A7u_Ne%3Fechodot@feddit.uk · 25 pts · 1y
Let's think about the country and see if we can come up with any possible problems somebody might have with it.
Yes it's in NATO but I'm pretty certain that NATO simply has them because they would prefer to have them inside pissing out.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 1y
We should rename the bird to türkiye.
There's a flock of türkiyes over there!
Siethron@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1y
I hate Turkey because I played Kinght Online back in the day and it went from most people speaking English (as it was a global mmo) to everyone speaking Turkish basically overnight.
So basically the Turks conquered the online territory I was part of.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
classic turco/mongolian hijinks. good on the lads.
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 1y
hydrospanner@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Just doesn't feel right to carve up an Ottoman Empire for Thanksgiving.
napkin2020@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 1y
I hate Turkey because some weird guy keeps fooling around with my ice cream. I paid for it damn you
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
Turkish ice cream is delicious.
PurpleSkull@lemm.ee · 17 pts · 1y
Constantinople.
Maybe I forgive you in 600 more years. Probably not.
ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website · 7 pts · 1y
Ok so we found the Greek
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
This is so dumb. They weren't originally named after a bird, they were named after a type of footstool.
lowered_lifted@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 1y
the genocidal impulses towards Armenians and Kurds don't help
Owlboi@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 1y
Islam.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 1y
I have no problem with Islam, I have a huge problem with religion in government.
MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y
Dictatorship.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
ow the edge
Matriks404@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Do people actually hate Turkish people? I know they can be obnoxious in online games, but in real life they are pretty wholesome. And I think It's generally the same for all Turkic peoples, but I haven't met many.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 1y
Well, there's the human rights violations, the denial of the genocide they committed, the complete tyrant that's ruining their country...
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 1y
Greece isn’t fond
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
People hate Turkish people because they hate immigrants (for no reason), and there's some Turkish immigrant community in Europe.
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 1y
I've met one Turk that I know of, via an online game.
I asked him what he thought of the Armenian Genocide. He said he had no idea what I was talking about.
So 1/1 of the Turks I've met are jerks.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · -9 pts · 1y
Who tf cares that Turkey is part of Nato?
gigachad@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 1y
Everybody in Europe. Turkey has the second largest army in NATO after the US. Also its geographical position makes is strategically very important.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y
They also have the second least reliable military in NATO.
hywoid@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y
you are constantly spitting out hate towards turks in this post. what is the reason behind this butt hurt of yours may i ask?
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
People != their government
Except that they're still mostly a democracy, and they vote for the shit.
MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
Still mostly a democracy? Erdogan just had the opposition candidate for president arrested and is in progress with getting him disqualified from running entirely. Turkiye has not been a democracy for a long time and the dictator is just doing it in the open now.
I support the Turks. Let them kick Erdogan out!
Kusimulkku@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 1y
lime@feddit.nu · 13 pts · 1y
sweden and finland, who both had to change their free speech and trade laws before turkey would let them in.
Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
They should immediately change them back. Fuck Turkey. It's not like you can get kicked out, which is why Turkey is still in.
Well that, and they're the only way into the black sea