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edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 133 pts · 1y (3 replies)

The fuck does she think indoctrination means? Oh that's right, they've long given up arguing in good faith. There is no rational point to be made, I always forget that.

aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 1y

Anything she doesn’t already believe.

InverseParallax@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y

Indoctrination means 'My children don't respect what my gut knows to be true!!!'

Cheems@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y

It's a word that has lost most of it's meaning like communism

KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca · 72 pts · 1y (8 replies)

Says the party that literally wanted to modify the grade school syllabus to teach that the 2020 US election was stolen.

andros_rex@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 1y (7 replies)

wanted to

Did

KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 1y (3 replies)

well, that's depressing, thanks for clearing it up.

andros_rex@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1y (2 replies)

The department head shit was also extremely frustrating. I wanted the position, had been flow out to a leadership conference by the district the summer before, presented a spreadsheet documenting some of my plans for improvement over five years (detailed, worked with some of the best minds in science education.)

But the anti vaxxer applied too. His great plan was “we should focus on more reading.”

I’m sure the fact that I was 🏳️‍🌈 had zero impact on the principals decision lol. (Anti vaxxer guy did limp wrist impressions of me too. But who the fuck cared.)

Like it’s amazing. Oklahoma just actively does not want capable teachers.

zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com · 8 pts · 1y

The kids are not OK

loonsun@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y

Damn I'm sorry you lost the position to human trash, I'm sad for the kids of your state

jj4211@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Such incredibly sore losers...

andros_rex@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1y (1 reply)

There’s a reason Oklahoma is 49th for education.

During COVID, the biology teacher at the high school I worked (and later, the fucking department head) was a creationist with a Bible college degree that would compliment students for forgoing masks and explicitly taught anti-vaxx shit.

Climate change is fun too - I put on a PD once and a teacher was really fucking pissed that I was showing data on how Milanokovich cycles do not explain modern climate patterns… literally thought she was going to fight me.

Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y

Milanokovich Cycles

That has to be the dumbest excuse for anti-climate change arguments I've heard in a while.

Do people really think that every single climate scientist who has dedicated their lives to studying shit that affects the climate, is unaware of and didn't account for, natural variations in solar energy the Earth receives, which I learned about in elementary school?

TheBat@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 1y (3 replies)
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Soulg@ani.social · 19 pts · 1y

We Americans also have enough.

anzo@programming.dev · 10 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Tbh it's the first time I see her name (iirc), and thanks to that everything, including the answer she received, was "amusing" to me.

She pretty much sounds like any of the current right-wing populists and anarchocapitalists. This is an american trend, sadly winning force everywhere.. This meme is fully on-topic across the western world :(

FrostBlazer@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y

I don’t know if it’s winning force so much as it’s being spread by bots and bad actors, although the result is more or less the same. Flooding the zone with their rhetoric makes it look like it’s well supported, which in turns convinces some people that it might not be nonsense.

ThePrimitive@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Federally funded school from age 3 to 20 doesn't sound like education

Yes it does, you bleached Wookie, it sounds exactly like education.

andxz@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y

Sounds like a stealth insult to bleached Wookies, somehow.

EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

She’s already 6B on the floor since she engaged in personalities bashing Crockett on the floor.

Said something about Jasmine Crockett’s ‘fake eyelashes getting in the way’ so she called her bad built bleach blond butch body

I felt there was a 7th b but she drew the line to not escalate.

frostysauce@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Her side would rather have state-funded religious schools from age 3-20.

ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y (1 reply)

*state-funded-mandatory

RandomVideos@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1y

Isnt school already mandatory?

altphoto@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Christmas religions.

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Except Catholics, who are somehow too woke.

altphoto@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 1y

They could add a Trump figurine to pray to and maybe that would help their image? Less physical motion would also be agreeable with orange man...all the kneeling takes a hold of you. Maybe if trump could be allowed to hear all the confessions that would be awesome too lol.

don@lemm.ee · 33 pts · 1y

Cons are the stupidest fucks this side of alpha fucking centauri.

synae@lemmy.sdf.org · 29 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I may agree with Olbermann here but let's not forget:

Yes I know my enemies

They’re the teachers who taught me to fight me

Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission

Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite

All of which are American dreams

blazeknave@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y

Came on shuffle the other day and inspired me to pickup the guitar for a couple hours and annoy the crap out of my kid

Lightor@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Eating food from birth till the day you die? Doesn't sound like living to me, sounds like an addiction.

capt_wolf@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y

Just wait til you hear about water! Everybody who drinks it? Dead. 100% mortality rate, no cure, and once you start, you're hooked!

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1y (5 replies)

She's got a BA from University of Georgia.

This isn't an education problem. It's pure propaganda and the allure of selling out on social media.

LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee · 14 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 1968 with a bachelor's degree in economics.

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y

Economics is almost entirely pseudo-science and capitalist indoctrination so that makes sense...

ameancow@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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jjjalljs@ttrpg.network · 10 pts · 1y

It reminds me of the "missing missing reasons" post, which describes how for some people reality creates emotions, but for other people emotions create reality

The first viewpoint, "emotion creates reality," is truth for a great many people. Not a healthy truth, not a truth that promotes good relationships, but a deep, lived truth nonetheless. It's seductive. It means that whatever you're feeling is just and right, that you're never in the wrong unless you feel you're in the wrong. For people whose self-image is so battered and fragile that they can't bear anything but validation, often it feels like the only way they can face the world.

demunted@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y

Give someone 1000$ and them it is for the group they manage But the trick is they can choose how much to give and keep the rest. Maga be keeping it all.

Smoogs@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Holy fuck do the maga just shotgun acid and become the stupidest zombies?

Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I mean they would probably be a lot cooler if they were on acid all the time.

Denjin@lemmings.world · 7 pts · 1y (1 reply)

They'd probably chill on the whole "let's make a fascist death cult!" thing too

SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 4 pts · 1y

I wish they would just Heaven's Gate themselves. Why they gotta drag me into that?

dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y

That's the neat part. It's weaponized feigned incompetence.

After Noem got the definition of Habeus Corpus exactly wrong in a recent hearing, some Lemmings have suggested that the RNC stooges in power are all playing dumb. Now, I can't unsee it. It makes sense: play dirty because your aims are underhanded and illegal, and your opposition is both outraged and busy attacking the wrong thing. Every time we all get in a fit about how stupid this sounds, which takes up valuable space and time from doing anything useful.

Edit: it's like a misbehaving kid that knows if he keeps telling the right kind of lie he can get away with just about anything.

Edit2: In Greene's case, her "argument" is also signaling being a "useful idiot" to her base for getting the job done.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y

Not how drugs work

MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 1y

Meaning, she at least recognizes that more education = less radical views? Which is… counter her point of indoctrination.

Bosht@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1y (6 replies)

What's especially fucking dumb is the argument of 'hurr money out of your pocket'. That shit goes right out the god damned window the second you look at where our taxes go i.e. the budget. Of what we overall pay education is laughably low.

notarobot@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 1y (3 replies)

Por when you think about it for more than one second. You went to school. If it wasn't paid out of taxes it would have had (not a native English speaker, imnot sure if have had is right) to be paid LITERALLY out of your own pocket

Bosht@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Yeah, you have it correct. If taxes don't pay for it, you pay for it directly.

Stamau123@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y (1 reply)

its so fucking stupid

anti-tax crazies must think schools and roads are natural phenomenon, and governments made up taxes because fuck you

notarobot@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y

If you ever want to be angry at the internet download a nostr client. 70% of posts are about bitcoin so you have to block those. After that filter a huge percentage are anti-taxxers, homophones and pro trump. That's why I left it

gleb@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y (1 reply)

the military industrial complex gobbling up a sizable chunk of your tax dollars:

Bosht@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Yyyyyup

SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 19 pts · 1y

The US is just not a real country. It's a horror story to scare the children.

morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 1y (1 reply)

she got engagement and ad-hominem is hardly a burn :/

leaving that musk-fueled cesspool is the better move imo.

Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1y

It's not an ad hominem if it's directly related to the topic of debate

kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I went to a religious private school and they tried to indoctrinate me to fascism

Asafum@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 1y (1 reply)

This is what they want

kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 1y

Thats my point, their accusation is an admission. They claim public schools are indoctrination yet their private schools are (I worded it a bit off)

But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y (2 replies)

Stupid freeloading children want us to pay for school when clearly we are low on cash after giving it all to the military!

pennomi@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 1y

We tried the first half and they all shot each other, mission accomplished?

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y

And this is why Twitter should be nuked from orbit…

Ironfist79@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y

Pretty sure she went to public schools.

el_bhm@lemm.ee · 7 pts · 1y

Obviously privately held education will be held to the highest of standards.

And will never indoctrinate. Anyone.

Because the people in power will be held responsible to no one.

Nestle.

Fox.

DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee · 6 pts · 1y (14 replies)
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Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 20 pts · 1y (13 replies)

People say this all the time like it's some edgy gotcha.

And while Public education in the United States did really come to full fruition during the industrial revolution, and does do a lot to prepare a person for the workforce, noting not all school are the same..

..I am fully greatful my little rural New England School did a good job teaching me critical thinking. I really loved learning as I grew up and had many fantastic teachers.

To note, over the last 25 years, education funding, for whatever reason, is funded..but poorly. My son is in middle school, I've noticed he doesn't have music class. They have a band and chorus as extracurriculars, but no music theory/history class like I did. I was the last class group to take home economics, and there is no computer class either. Every kid has a Chromebook, but no one is watching a Sweeny Todd on stage, or picking a composer to write a report on. No kid is sewing a teddy bear or making pizza cookies, and they don't have general computer instruction. My son is in special education, so it's hard to gauge one to one, but I definitely feel like his quality of education is less than when I was in middle school 25 years ago, especially when we look at "specials", for what its worth. And this disappoints me.

But education as I see, is not "just to get you ready for the workforce" though that is part of it. A lot of teachers really care, and try to help kids find joy in learning, even still today. Well rounded schooling is important for children to become individuals with the power of critical thought beyond the scope of preparing them to work in a factory.

School where I went, and were my son goes, definitely fit "you get out what you put in".

DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y (2 replies)
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Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y

I dont see how the industrial complex is the most important thing to our society, here in the states.

I do see a cultural tendency to associate wealth with success. A notion that confuses me and I dont subscribe to, however is very prevalent here.

In the early 2000 the focus was college prep. College was marketed as the average persons line to success (wealth).

Today I think a lot of teachers are just trying to get through the day. The United States education, in my area, seemed to have peaked when I was in school. When the Bush administration passed the "no child left behind" act.. I've since watched education go in the shitter. It should have been called "pass every student no matter what". Also around 2010 they switched from teaching 5/6 year olds phonics and instead tried "sight words" for a time. A massive failure. I believe they have gone back to phonics now, I hope.

In the states, schools sign contracts with tech companies to supply chrombooks to each student, but like I mentioned, dont teach music composition anymore. Students of today, it's been noted to me by professionals I work with, absolutely have less tolerance for difficult things than the students 20 years ago. But in my discussions, it's not evident why. Even children with low/no/modersted screen time stuggle with task tolerance. So I don't know.

I do know my state (2nd or 3rd state in the country for quality of k-12 education) now has public community college education available for free, or nearly nothing. Ive seen the flyers and buildings, I don't know much about it, but I'm proud my state is offering alternatives to the large expensive universities. They are trying very hard to invest in the the everyday person here.

Just lay off "school is just a place you are trained to be a worker" alluding it is not important or meaningful outside of training machine cogs. It's a juvenile thought made with little consideration to other invaluable educational experiences within childhood education. The purpose of school is to have an intelligent, healthy society capable of critical thought so that we may uphold democracy and society as a whole. Have we swayed from this in the last 10,15, 20 years? A good question. But I've heard the school/worker machines comment for longer than that.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Not as long as the industrial complex is the most important thing to our society.

Well, it's not. We outsourced the bulk of our heavy industry to East Asia 30 years ago.

Now the most important thing to our society is sales and marketing.

BussyGyatt@feddit.org · -2 pts · 1y (9 replies)

I am fully greatful my little rural New England School did a good job teaching me critical thinking. I really loved learning as I grew up and had many fantastic teachers.

To note, over the last 25 years, education funding, for whatever reason, is funded…but poorly

they coulda spent a lil more time on spelling, grammar, punctuation, and composition tbqph. like cmon bro you had to override the spellcheck on greatful.

LookBehindYouNowAndThen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y (5 replies)

t(T)hey coulda('ve) spent a lil(ttle) more time on spelling, grammar, punctuation, and composition tbqph(quite is redundant). like c(C')mon(,) bro(;) you had to override the spellcheck on (")greatful.(")

BussyGyatt@feddit.org · -1 pts · 1y (4 replies)

you think lil is spelled with 2 ts? idk bro i feel like wed say the ts if they was in the word. my favorite is rejecting quite while accepting acronymization

edit: also quite is superfluous, not redundant

edit2: wait what does breathless mean in this context? I'm not breathing between sentences? is that insulting? am i insulted now?

LookBehindYouNowAndThen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y (3 replies)

It's adorable how breathless troll's get when I beet them at they're own game.

Stay mad 😂

BussyGyatt@feddit.org · -1 pts · 1y (2 replies)

you assume a challenge where none exists. like, you fr think im being 💯 about spelling and grammar n shit? im not even using capitals? like, i also had to override spell check a lot? ... lil wasnt enough of a clue? cmon take a breath homie

Agrivar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Thank you for having such a telling username. I hate feeling unsure about blocking someone who may say something noteworthy in the future.

No such doubt exists here.

Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y (2 replies)

I've turned off my spell check from my phone to practice. I hope to keep my mind sharp.

(Edit: greatful, grateful, is the bane of my existence since I was young, thanks for reminding me. Im not grate-ful like a flood grate in the road, I'm great-ful. The root word great- means good, happy. The root word grate- makes me think if a metal contraption in the road. This is why my brain does that. I disagree with the root word formation lmao)

I have ADHD, and probably a bit of dyslexia (yes, I still have talk to text on, and used it to spell that word), I've learned as I've helped my son with his learning disabilities.

I was able to mask and struggle through school undetected, my son not so much.

I got tired of computer programming telling me what word I should type next, autocorrecting words I didnt want it to, and a few months ago turned all that off.

This is a casual place, so I wrote casually and didn't edit my paragraphs much for such. Sorry if anything was unclear to you. I'm also sorry you felt the need to punch down on another fellow human.

Read an old book from 1850-1900. The grammar in those books will give you a panic attack. Be easy

BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 0 pts · 1y (1 reply)

you get out what you put in

Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y

Big facts yes, I hope you got something out of it too

SSNs4evr@leminal.space · 3 pts · 1y

MTG IS astoundingly stupid. Boebert couldn't manage to complete high school. Noem seems to think Habeas Corpus is the name the orange guy gave his "kick anyone out" croquet mallet. Just 3 among many, of the losers who seem to be in charge right now.

StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 1y (10 replies)

Okay sure, I'm on his side, but that was hardly a burn. Shit wasn't clever at all, coulda sent her to the burn ward but settled for a rug burn

TachyonTele@lemm.ee · 12 pts · 1y (6 replies)

Then you do better.

Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y (1 reply)

YO MOMMA FAT

jaybone@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1y

YO MOMMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE SIT AROUND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SHE REALLY SIT AROUND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y

TBH there's nothing funny to say here about either of these clowns. They speak for themselves.

Honytawk@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 1y

Ok

"It is spelled religion, not school"

StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Make me nerd

TachyonTele@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y

Nah, doesn't fit the picture at all. But i guess you tried?

technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Libs have no real defense against the fascism that they support.

Whatever Olberman's views on education, they're probably just as shitty and brainwashed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

TachyonTele@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y

I thought libs were antifa?
Is libs just another word like woke?

umbrella@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
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Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · -7 pts · 1y (1 reply)

Ad hominem is the refuge of the man facing an indefatigable position.

Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 1y

It's not an ad hominem if it's directly related to the topic of debate

Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world · -14 pts · 1y (5 replies)

Schools are for indoctrinating children, guys. Train them to fight their biology, conform to a factory setting, and have knowledge presented as something frustrating and difficult obtain. You guys just want them indoctrinated the "correct way" from teachers s stupid and out of date as you are.

Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y

I laugh at your progress

KelvarIW@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)
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Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y

Shit's a game dawg. We just got a fucking bully problem. Convincing me aint doing shit. Check on your neighbor and carry a fucking brick.

Agrivar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
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