edit: hijacking a comment near the top to say that the PTB here has stepped down as mod after their co-mods called them out in response to DMs from multiple different users complaining about the PTB's actions. Huge thank you to the other mods.
I just want to point out the comment I made that's visible in the part of the thread you linked there. I got banned for that comment, before I could reply with the evidence (of comments that I had reported, and which are still standing) that prove Wren is a liar when they claim not to have insulted anyone:
And that's before you get into the fact that they started the whole argument. With some exceptionally bad-faith idiotic whataboutism. Whether OP deserves it or not, that mod is clearly abusing their powers by provoking a reaction and then jumping on the provocation as an excuse to ban dissenting views.
I mean, that mod has piped up in here claiming I reported "all their comment" (a lie) and that I did it in response to them disagreeing with my comment (another lie). So to me the answer is pretty obvious.
Because you didn’t like my response to your comment, you reported everything I said in the thread
Nope. I reported a bunch of your comments that were at least as bad as, if not worse than, those that got Nay banned. I reported comments that deserved to be removed by mods because they broke the same rule that someone else got banned for.
And then I made my publicly visible reply to your comment. And then you replied and banned me before I had any chance to respond to your lies.
But try again. "No need to lie." Projecting much?
edit: to be clear: even if you don't agree that your comments shouldn't have been removed (which really shouldn't be your call to make: any mod with integrity will recuse themselves from moderating an argument that they are a part of and let another mod handle it, and that goes doubly when it comes to their own non-mod-related comments being reported), they were made in good faith because I sincerely believed they broke the rules. If you think someone deserves to be banned because they disagree with your moderation philosophy, I'm not sure you're fit to be a mod.
Because you reported all of them at the time of your ban
No. I reported maybe 5 or 6. I posted a few of them in my initial comment in this thread for context. You had made at least double that in terms of total comments. I reported the ones that were obviously breaking the rules, in my view.
if in your opinion, any mod should recuse themselves from arguments
No. You can have arguments. But you should not then take moderation action against the people you are arguing with. You should recuse yourself and allow your co-mods to deal with it. I was a mod of much more active subreddits than any Lemmy community for years before I quit Reddit, and in my opinion it's a pretty basic rule to follow to ensure you do not get into exactly the situation you now face.
What's ridiculous is that you baited a user with your incredibly poor behaviour and then banned them for reacting it your bait, and expect people not to call you out for it.
I can respect that. Perhaps leading by example would have prevented some of the escalation though. He might want to give himself a ban for being uncivil.
Ignorant is insulting other users in a community that explicitly forbids it.
Stupid is failing to take the hint, doubling down and earning a temp ban, and then going after the mod in PMs.
Let me ask you a question... You've seen sports, right? I mean, maybe not as a fan or anything, but you've seen basketball, football, baseball, games, right? Even a tennis match?
You ever, once, see someone yell and scream at a ref and have the ref go "You know, you make a salient point, I changed my mind."? No. You know why? Because then EVERYONE will do it.
You are the one who started off the stupid argument in a pointlessly combative way, based on trite caricatures of complex and controversial topics, then used your mod powers to delete the responses of the guy you picked a fight with for no better reason than that they said something "unhelpful." It's not what I would call ideal behaviour for a community moderator.
This is how these particular subs are managed. Mods flame, then claim rule abuse, then ban. This toxic turd should be removed from all forms of moderation across all subs.
If your point is strong, why do you continue to distort the interaction?
Ignorant does not mean stupid or asshole. You said "we both know what you meant" when you clearly didn't. Your feelings were hurt due to what seems to be insecurity, and you took a derogatory read of it.
And you still can't answer the question at the heart of it all.
I called you out and you power tripped and then tried to act hard in DMs.
Kinda corny demanding that someone "explain the difference between Capital/Social/Communism and Authoritarianism". Not even a coherent demand. I wouldn't ban over it though.
Mod accounts are typically created specifically to be mods. I did the same thing. They asked me to be a mod from my lemmy.one account and I thought it was weird to be modding lemmy.world from lemmy.one so I spun up this account and it was made a mod.
Same thing happened with another mod (who has now been de-modded). That was a legit case of PTB where they started making unilateral changes to the community without consulting the other mods.
I'm not entirely sure, but I was incredibly suspicious of this account getting modded almost immediately upon creation. My suspicion was squid, but I no longer believe that.
And maybe a sockpuppet isn't the right term. Maybe smurph or alt. Regardless, it's an account that you should be deeply, deeply suspicious of.
Political memes as a sub was captured as an echo chamber by Wren and Squid. You shouldn't post there.
Like I said, deeply deeply toxic, and someone who posts almost exclusively to echo chambers of their own creation. Some one who should be no where near any form of power whatsoever.
There has been a tankie desant on Memes recently, may be part of the purge? Two of them praising Stalin gave me some feed for !opisafuckingidiot@lemmy.world
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lvxferre@mander.xyz · 21 pts · 1y
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 1y
edit: hijacking a comment near the top to say that the PTB here has stepped down as mod after their co-mods called them out in response to DMs from multiple different users complaining about the PTB's actions. Huge thank you to the other mods.
I just want to point out the comment I made that's visible in the part of the thread you linked there. I got banned for that comment, before I could reply with the evidence (of comments that I had reported, and which are still standing) that prove Wren is a liar when they claim not to have insulted anyone:
And that's before you get into the fact that they started the whole argument. With some exceptionally bad-faith idiotic whataboutism. Whether OP deserves it or not, that mod is clearly abusing their powers by provoking a reaction and then jumping on the provocation as an excuse to ban dissenting views.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 1y
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 1y
I mean, that mod has piped up in here claiming I reported "all their comment" (a lie) and that I did it in response to them disagreeing with my comment (another lie). So to me the answer is pretty obvious.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 1y
Nope. I reported a bunch of your comments that were at least as bad as, if not worse than, those that got Nay banned. I reported comments that deserved to be removed by mods because they broke the same rule that someone else got banned for.
And then I made my publicly visible reply to your comment. And then you replied and banned me before I had any chance to respond to your lies.
But try again. "No need to lie." Projecting much?
edit: to be clear: even if you don't agree that your comments shouldn't have been removed (which really shouldn't be your call to make: any mod with integrity will recuse themselves from moderating an argument that they are a part of and let another mod handle it, and that goes doubly when it comes to their own non-mod-related comments being reported), they were made in good faith because I sincerely believed they broke the rules. If you think someone deserves to be banned because they disagree with your moderation philosophy, I'm not sure you're fit to be a mod.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 1y
No. I reported maybe 5 or 6. I posted a few of them in my initial comment in this thread for context. You had made at least double that in terms of total comments. I reported the ones that were obviously breaking the rules, in my view.
No. You can have arguments. But you should not then take moderation action against the people you are arguing with. You should recuse yourself and allow your co-mods to deal with it. I was a mod of much more active subreddits than any Lemmy community for years before I quit Reddit, and in my opinion it's a pretty basic rule to follow to ensure you do not get into exactly the situation you now face.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
Zagorath@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 1y
What's ridiculous is that you baited a user with your incredibly poor behaviour and then banned them for reacting it your bait, and expect people not to call you out for it.
Nay@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 1y
I can respect that. Perhaps leading by example would have prevented some of the escalation though. He might want to give himself a ban for being uncivil.
Help me with the initialisms, though?
YDI: You deserved It? What's YDM?
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 15 pts · 1y
Nay@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 1y
Thanks for the reality check.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 13 pts · 1y
Looks like someone is ignorant of the difference between "stupid" and "ignorant."
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Ignorant is insulting other users in a community that explicitly forbids it.
Stupid is failing to take the hint, doubling down and earning a temp ban, and then going after the mod in PMs.
Let me ask you a question... You've seen sports, right? I mean, maybe not as a fan or anything, but you've seen basketball, football, baseball, games, right? Even a tennis match?
You ever, once, see someone yell and scream at a ref and have the ref go "You know, you make a salient point, I changed my mind."? No. You know why? Because then EVERYONE will do it.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Ignorant is not knowing something, like the definition of ignorant.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Ignorant is correctable... Refusing to be corrected? Yeah...
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 1y
kbal@fedia.io · 11 pts · 1y
You are the one who started off the stupid argument in a pointlessly combative way, based on trite caricatures of complex and controversial topics, then used your mod powers to delete the responses of the guy you picked a fight with for no better reason than that they said something "unhelpful." It's not what I would call ideal behaviour for a community moderator.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
This is how these particular subs are managed. Mods flame, then claim rule abuse, then ban. This toxic turd should be removed from all forms of moderation across all subs.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 1y
Nay@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 1y
If your point is strong, why do you continue to distort the interaction?
Ignorant does not mean stupid or asshole. You said "we both know what you meant" when you clearly didn't. Your feelings were hurt due to what seems to be insecurity, and you took a derogatory read of it.
And you still can't answer the question at the heart of it all.
I called you out and you power tripped and then tried to act hard in DMs.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 1y
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 1y
Nay@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 1y
Ffs dude, I don't want an argument. I want my actions to be truthfully represented.
If you really feel justified why are you misrepresenting the situation? It's all on record anyway.
You -feel- like I called you stupid and asshole, and you used your modding privileges accordingly.
If I'm being ignorant, I prefer to have it called out so I can learn.
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 1y
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 1y
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y
lvxferre@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 1y
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
Kinda corny demanding that someone "explain the difference between Capital/Social/Communism and Authoritarianism". Not even a coherent demand. I wouldn't ban over it though.
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Wren is a sockpuppet that was given mod authority something like 24-48 hours after account creation.
They are deeply deeply toxic.
jordanlund@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Mod accounts are typically created specifically to be mods. I did the same thing. They asked me to be a mod from my lemmy.one account and I thought it was weird to be modding lemmy.world from lemmy.one so I spun up this account and it was made a mod.
Same thing happened with another mod (who has now been de-modded). That was a legit case of PTB where they started making unilateral changes to the community without consulting the other mods.
WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Sock puppet of whom?
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
I'm not entirely sure, but I was incredibly suspicious of this account getting modded almost immediately upon creation. My suspicion was squid, but I no longer believe that.
And maybe a sockpuppet isn't the right term. Maybe smurph or alt. Regardless, it's an account that you should be deeply, deeply suspicious of.
Political memes as a sub was captured as an echo chamber by Wren and Squid. You shouldn't post there.
WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Thanks for the explanation
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
I mean we can all see how you use this. You flame and troll and then ban.
What's your main?Actually don't tell me your main. I'm close enough to having something solved I'll use you as a back test.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Like I said, deeply deeply toxic, and someone who posts almost exclusively to echo chambers of their own creation. Some one who should be no where near any form of power whatsoever.
WrenFeathers@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
realchadmctruth@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 1y
if that were even remotely true you would post your credit card number to prove it
wow… -4 downvotes in under two hours in a post that used to have only two threads
FelixCress@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
There has been a tankie desant on Memes recently, may be part of the purge? Two of them praising Stalin gave me some feed for !opisafuckingidiot@lemmy.world