I'm something of a Joey myself

why's it so hard 😭

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badcommandorfilename@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 1y

PO - TO - LEMMY

procrastitron@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y (10 replies)

I think Joey would be much closer to the right pronunciation in this case.

I’m pretty sure ancient Greek didn’t have any concept of a “Silent Pi”. That leading “p” sound is supposed to be said.

It might be really hard for a native English speaker to say those two consonants together, but that doesn’t mean Joey is wrong for trying.

procrastitron@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y (1 reply)

… although, I guess any pronunciation will be wrong because the actual name was “Πτολεμαίος”, so if you wanted a correct transliteration you would have to use “Ptolemaious”

Regardless, Joey is still closer to the correct pronunciation.

teft@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y

Πτολεμαίος

You can put it in google translate to hear a modern greek version of it. The P sound is there but nearly silent.

https://translate.google.com/?sl=el&tl=en&text=%CE%A0%CF%84%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%B5%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%BF%CF%82&op=translate

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 1y (6 replies)
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tml@urbanists.social · 3 pts · 1y (4 replies)
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lvxferre@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 1y (3 replies)
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MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website · 3 pts · 1y

Sorry for the wall of text

It was enlightening, thank you 🍻

tml@urbanists.social · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

@lvxferre No need to be sorry, lovely and very readable write-up. Quality content!

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 1y
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cybermantid@tilde.zone · 1 pts · 1y

@lvxferre @procrastitron in Koine Greek, vowel length* and vowel diphthongs had already practically ceased as a feature (iotacism was already in progress during Koine Greek). Most vowels and vowel combinations were pronounced almost exactly as they are pronounced in modern Greek (with notable exception to οι and υ, which were closer to [y] than modern [i]. That was the last change to happen in Greek pronunciation and it happened rather late; [y] was still present as a phoneme in medieval Greek).

The other difference to modern Greek pronunciation was also that the voiced stops (β, δ, γ) hadn't become fricatives yet, that change was complete in medieval greek.

Πτολεμαίος in Koine Greek would be pronounced exactly the same as in modern Greek ([pto.le.'me.os])

* Small fun fact: Vowel length still exists in modern Greek, but it is used for stressing vowels; an unstressed vowel is short and a stressed vowel is "semilong" (along with having a higher volume and a different pitch). In fact, you can tell where a word is stressed *just* by the length of the stressed vowel, without the change in pitch and volume.

mrsemi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
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ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y

And they probably call it a Puhteradactyl

wise_pancake@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1y

Any it's the last frame an entirely different pronunciation?

I'm with Joey.

IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y

If you wanted me to pronounce it that way, you should have spelled it that way.

Wbear@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1y

Tow luh mee

sik0fewl@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1y

That's why I say helicotter.

Fleur_@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 1y

Just say it without the p

jbrains@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y (1 reply)

I raise you "gb".

lvxferre@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 1y
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reddig33@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y

Dollamee?