And both suck for discord-like large communities (esspeically xmpp). We have thousands of open source p2p encrypted secure messaging software, yet almost nothing that even gets close to IRC for federated communities. In all fairness I also haven't sat down and tried coding a software like that but I'd 100% throw some cash at anyone who can
Idk what was meant by this one, but they keep pushing updates that break preexisting setups. This would be fine if admins were sufficiently warned and they added proper info about breaking changes to their changelogs, but they simply havent done that.
Isn't it just a matter of upgrading infrastructure to the latest version as should already be done anyway for security concerns? Do the updates break configs or something else?
No, the issue is also with the protocol, but if you use a big commercial homeserver like Beeper or Matrix.org you don't notice it so much. But try self-hosting Matrix and you will quickly notice how bad the protocol is.
Huh? Can you explain more? I've self-hosted for a few years now, I set up the config once, made a cronjob that updates every now and then, and it just works on a reasonably fast server.
Then you must be using it only in a very limited fashion, or have extremely beefy hardware.
If you use it a bit more, the hardware demands due to the totally over-engineered protocol shoot up and the advanced administration options are very limited and cryptic. And if something goes wrong it is very difficult to fix without abandoning the domain name and starting over from scratch, which is again a protocol issue.
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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 46 pts · 1y
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 1y
As opposed to one that's just shit and constantly getting worse.
lilith267@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 1y
And both suck for discord-like large communities (esspeically xmpp). We have thousands of open source p2p encrypted secure messaging software, yet almost nothing that even gets close to IRC for federated communities. In all fairness I also haven't sat down and tried coding a software like that but I'd 100% throw some cash at anyone who can
monk@lemmy.unboiled.info · 3 pts · 1y
Finally! You found something where XMPP can't compete with Matrix.
PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de · 41 pts · 1y
oohhh what did I miss
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 43 pts · 1y
Idk what was meant by this one, but they keep pushing updates that break preexisting setups. This would be fine if admins were sufficiently warned and they added proper info about breaking changes to their changelogs, but they simply havent done that.
uranibaba@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 1y
I’ve been eyeing Matrix, never gotten around to use it. What’s the deal here?
Revan343@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 1y
Devs keep pushing breaking changes, if you use a major instance you probably won't notice,if you self-host you will definitely notice
tarsisurdi@lemmy.eco.br · 4 pts · 1y
Isn't it just a matter of upgrading infrastructure to the latest version as should already be done anyway for security concerns? Do the updates break configs or something else?
renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 1y
looks like they like changing their API often
https://spec.matrix.org/v1.10/changelog/
tarsisurdi@lemmy.eco.br · 12 pts · 1y
Why is the opinion around Matrix so negative? Been using it with Beeper for years and never really had issues related to the protocol...
ElectroLisa@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
The issues are with the apps rather than the protocol
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 21 pts · 1y
No, the issue is also with the protocol, but if you use a big commercial homeserver like Beeper or Matrix.org you don't notice it so much. But try self-hosting Matrix and you will quickly notice how bad the protocol is.
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
Huh? Can you explain more? I've self-hosted for a few years now, I set up the config once, made a cronjob that updates every now and then, and it just works on a reasonably fast server.
poVoq@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1y
Then you must be using it only in a very limited fashion, or have extremely beefy hardware.
If you use it a bit more, the hardware demands due to the totally over-engineered protocol shoot up and the advanced administration options are very limited and cryptic. And if something goes wrong it is very difficult to fix without abandoning the domain name and starting over from scratch, which is again a protocol issue.
tarsisurdi@lemmy.eco.br · 3 pts · 1y
Element? Beeper? Fractal? What's the matter?