There's some truth to his statement as far as the numbers go and perhaps some correction is needed. Obviously, you wouldn't want to entirely remove the stats of African American women, as that would be blatantly racist, but it seems some for of compromise is warranted.
Perhaps counting only half of them? or perhaps slightly more than half, say 6/10ths
Perhaps counting only half of them? or perhaps slightly more than half, say 6/10ths
Very strong scientific and historical basis for going with 3/5ths. But if some stats make America look bad, I think 0/3rds would fix it, and fire the agency lead if they don't go with 0/5ths of a person for black women. America was great when it was 3/5ths, and so 0/5ths is needed immediately to make America great again before my 3rd term election.
I might be wrong, Frank, but my reading of the text says that freed slaves fall under “the whole Number of free Persons” and thus count as 1, not three fifths.
The three fifths compromise just said slave states shouldn’t get to count slave population to get more representatives. The non-slave states wanted them not to count at all, since they don’t get representation regardless. It’s wild to me that we think of the “three fifths of all other persons” thing as the bad part, rather than the “rich assholes who owned people got more representation than those who didn’t own people because the people they owned counted toward their representative allotments.” After all, the slave owners wanted slaves to count as a full person. The problem, as always, was slavery.
I don’t think it’s that “three fifths” is the only bad part per se, it just gets referenced a lot because it is a really indefensible example of how enslaved people were considered less than a person. So much so that here it is codified as a fraction of a person. Very in your face sort of language.
I think although very vivid language it is quite defensible for the reasons Kuni mentioned: in the only context where slaves were actually defined as 3/5 of a person, all they could do was allow their masters to extract extra value through representation from them, as they did not get representation for being counted towards House representation.
Im impressed that you managed to read the second half of my comment without reading the first. The whole comment is a dozen words, so thats a real feat.
I literally said hes still a piece of shit, so that should answer your first question. As to "how is this not relevant?"
The article is talking about what might happen if Roe is overturned by the supreme court, and what that might mean down the line. That happened already. We are out of "might" and are several years down the line.
Lets talk about what's currently happening, now. Discussing a speculative article about changes that "may occur in the future" is pretty odd when we are 3 years in the future and can literally tell the article what happened.
He continued: "Now, I say that not to minimize the issue but to focus the issue as to where it would be. For whatever reason, people of color have a higher incidence of maternal mortality."
In an interview with Politico, the following words came out of Cassidy’s mouth: “About a third of our population is African American; African Americans have a higher incidence of maternal mortality. So, if you correct our population for race, we’re not as much of an outlier as it’d otherwise appear. Now, I say that not to minimize the issue but to focus the issue as to where it would be. For whatever reason, people of color have a higher incidence of maternal mortality.”
Scum POS. I'm sure he will start fixing the issue instead contributing to it.
I think he's pointing out that this is a federal race-connected issue, not a local state issue. As in other states have similar stats if you group the numbers by race.
If that is correct, that's a fair assessment. He should obviously work with the rest of Congress to solve that national issue, though, and he should really spearhead it if it affects his state more.
Overall, according to Louisiana's Department of Health, "four black mothers die for every white mother" in the state. It outpaces a three-to-one ratio nationwide, which is already the worst in the developed world, Politico reported.
If only states were capable of doing things to improve the lives of their residents above what the nation as a whole can do. Clearly it's impossible. Woe be this poor powerless state politician.
Your justification doesn't hold within its own logic. And doesn't address how blatantly racist the statement itself is.
Solving it in his state is certainly a good way of spearheading a national solution.
As for you considering the statement racist: I was expecting a lot worse based on the headline. I don't think grouping by race when looking at health statistics is inherently racist. Race can be relevant to health outcomes, among other reasons due to racism, and so one should be allowed to discuss that.
Deciding to ignore the problem because it predominantly affects a certain race is racist, but that wasn't what was stated in the quote earlier in this thread, despite the headline suggesting it was.
Except adjusting for race is not appropriate. They are a significant portion of his constituent population. It may help explain a factor as to why it's higher in his state. But I'll bet being in a red state is also a factor given things like doctors fleeing, budget cuts, etc.
Additionally, such stats are prone to reflecting biases in the system rather than actual medically relevant information. Do black women have worse outcomes because of biological reasons, or because they are treated worse. This is one of those stats you have to be careful with because a nontrivial amount of time, it's damn near proof of racism.
It's appropriate if you follow up with investigations for the reasons that is happening and look for solutions to correct that. Other than, "Have you tried not being poor?" of course.
After midterms, especially if the republicans manage to cheat enough to still gain seats, some of them will go "N****r, n****r, n****r!" on live television, then racists will go "We're so fucking back!", then work on how to strip black Americans of their human rights with the help of Clarence Thomas.
Y’all need to appreciate that Louisiana’s batshit MAGAs finally ran the table and it’s something like a mix of Florida and Mississippi but with a lot more heat and pollution.
That's who these people are and they're fucking all over the US. They're everywhere. The Confederacy is alive and well in the US. Are they making a comeback? Just look at people like Hegseth, and we all know these types voted for trump.
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Triton420@mander.xyz · 205 pts · 362d
They’re even better if you only count white men
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 32 pts · 362d
Those numbers can go down even further if you exclude everyone who isn’t a millionaire.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 362d
Nope. I think once you exclude women, the maternal death rates will hit their minimum.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 362d
Trans men?
Soup@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 362d
As if they’d be counted appropriately.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 362d
True. They'd not give them any recognition.
chaosCruiser@futurology.today · 3 pts · 362d
Yeah, now we’re talking.
jwt@programming.dev · 4 pts · 362d
No, no they cannot.
Nastybutler@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 362d
Sure it can with Trump Math™! The same math the will lower drug prices 1000%, 600%, 500%, 1500% can make this possible!
errer@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 362d
NaN gang represent
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 362d
Truly, the only demographic that matters, in cases like these. /s
Surp@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 362d
Revan343@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 362d
Maybe pick an analogy other than the one that does imply the rest of us are also bad
TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 362d
The joke is just that there isn't a lot of maternal deaths among men
Triton420@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 351d
Don’t try and explain to them, sarcasm never works online
mikesizachrist@lemmy.world · 104 pts · 362d
There's some truth to his statement as far as the numbers go and perhaps some correction is needed. Obviously, you wouldn't want to entirely remove the stats of African American women, as that would be blatantly racist, but it seems some for of compromise is warranted.
Perhaps counting only half of them? or perhaps slightly more than half, say 6/10ths
massacre@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 362d
NGL, you had me going in the first half
FrogmanL@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 362d
This is gold satire.
mikesizachrist@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 362d
We're not 52nd in the nation in education for nothing!
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 362d
Very strong scientific and historical basis for going with 3/5ths. But if some stats make America look bad, I think 0/3rds would fix it, and fire the agency lead if they don't go with 0/5ths of a person for black women. America was great when it was 3/5ths, and so 0/5ths is needed immediately to make America great again before my 3rd term election.
mkwt@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 362d
Ah, I have a modest proposal. Let's count 60% of maternal deaths from black women. /s
lectricleopard@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 362d
A government can't possibly serve the whole population. /s
AreaKode@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 362d
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 33 pts · 362d
I might be wrong, Frank, but my reading of the text says that freed slaves fall under “the whole Number of free Persons” and thus count as 1, not three fifths.
The three fifths compromise just said slave states shouldn’t get to count slave population to get more representatives. The non-slave states wanted them not to count at all, since they don’t get representation regardless. It’s wild to me that we think of the “three fifths of all other persons” thing as the bad part, rather than the “rich assholes who owned people got more representation than those who didn’t own people because the people they owned counted toward their representative allotments.” After all, the slave owners wanted slaves to count as a full person. The problem, as always, was slavery.
AreaKode@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 362d
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 362d
I read this in Dennis’s voice
SacralPlexus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
I don’t think it’s that “three fifths” is the only bad part per se, it just gets referenced a lot because it is a really indefensible example of how enslaved people were considered less than a person. So much so that here it is codified as a fraction of a person. Very in your face sort of language.
Aatube@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 362d
I think although very vivid language it is quite defensible for the reasons Kuni mentioned: in the only context where slaves were actually defined as 3/5 of a person, all they could do was allow their masters to extract extra value through representation from them, as they did not get representation for being counted towards House representation.
DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 362d
We'll call it the...60% Compromise. Got a nice ring to it.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 362d
With gerrymandering that number is often much lower these days. We’ve ended up with even worse than the 3/5
rainwall@piefed.social · 69 pts · 362d
Dudes a piece of shit still, but the article is 3 years old.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 362d
I’m sure those rates are way better now. Because of all the beautiful winning.
EndOfLine@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 362d
We wouldn't want people to forget what a racist Sen Bill Cassidy is.
I hope this article makes the rounds again next year, right around the time he is up for reelection.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
So you think he has learned from his mistakes and improved his atrocious stance?
rainwall@piefed.social · 7 pts · 362d
Im impressed that you managed to read the second half of my comment without reading the first. The whole comment is a dozen words, so thats a real feat.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 362d
I did read it, I just found questionable as it seems you are dismissing this as too old to care
Cassidy is still a Senator and a piece of shit, so what does it matter if the racist thing he said is 3 years old?
rainwall@piefed.social · 5 pts · 362d
I literally said hes still a piece of shit, so that should answer your first question. As to "how is this not relevant?"
The article is talking about what might happen if Roe is overturned by the supreme court, and what that might mean down the line. That happened already. We are out of "might" and are several years down the line.
Lets talk about what's currently happening, now. Discussing a speculative article about changes that "may occur in the future" is pretty odd when we are 3 years in the future and can literally tell the article what happened.
Jhex@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 362d
I mean, you could have just said all that... we are not mind readers, you know?
Dasus@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 362d
It's a spambot with an agenda. And oh my did people get mad at pointing that out.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 46 pts · 362d
"Our maternal death rates are only bad because of inherent racism in our medical industry"
MyOpinion@lemmy.today · 34 pts · 362d
As expected racist pieces of shit.
pixelkitty@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 362d
Damn there really isn't even a quiet part anymore is there
teamevil@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 362d
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 362d
🤦
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 362d
so close...
atzanteol@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 362d
May 20, 2022
TommySoda@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 362d
And our mass shooting events are pretty low when you don't count bigoted white men.
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 362d
Here's an article about it that can actually be read.
underline960@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 362d
Maybe you should look into that, Senator.
aramis87@fedia.io · 7 pts · 362d
Oh, it's probably just genetic, just like how black and Hispanic men are uniquely genetically qualified to labor in the fields ... /S
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 362d
Funniest headline The Onion could have ever come up with!!!!
Maybe the medicaid cuts will make the black women count rise faster than the white women count, and that will make it ok :(
DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 362d
So you're going to do something to lower the maternal death rate for black women, right?
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njm1314@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 362d
This is from 3 years ago.
ThisGuyThat@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 362d
Scum POS. I'm sure he will start fixing the issue instead contributing to it.
bus_factor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
I think he's pointing out that this is a federal race-connected issue, not a local state issue. As in other states have similar stats if you group the numbers by race.
If that is correct, that's a fair assessment. He should obviously work with the rest of Congress to solve that national issue, though, and he should really spearhead it if it affects his state more.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 362d
Still a greater Louisiana problem
https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-senator-la-outlier-maternal-death-rate-skewed-black-women-2022-5
maniclucky@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
If only states were capable of doing things to improve the lives of their residents above what the nation as a whole can do. Clearly it's impossible. Woe be this poor powerless state politician.
Your justification doesn't hold within its own logic. And doesn't address how blatantly racist the statement itself is.
bus_factor@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
Solving it in his state is certainly a good way of spearheading a national solution.
As for you considering the statement racist: I was expecting a lot worse based on the headline. I don't think grouping by race when looking at health statistics is inherently racist. Race can be relevant to health outcomes, among other reasons due to racism, and so one should be allowed to discuss that.
Deciding to ignore the problem because it predominantly affects a certain race is racist, but that wasn't what was stated in the quote earlier in this thread, despite the headline suggesting it was.
maniclucky@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
Except adjusting for race is not appropriate. They are a significant portion of his constituent population. It may help explain a factor as to why it's higher in his state. But I'll bet being in a red state is also a factor given things like doctors fleeing, budget cuts, etc.
Additionally, such stats are prone to reflecting biases in the system rather than actual medically relevant information. Do black women have worse outcomes because of biological reasons, or because they are treated worse. This is one of those stats you have to be careful with because a nontrivial amount of time, it's damn near proof of racism.
GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 362d
It's appropriate if you follow up with investigations for the reasons that is happening and look for solutions to correct that. Other than, "Have you tried not being poor?" of course.
maniclucky@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
Correct, I just don't feel like pretending that that's a thing they might do and that it isn't the racism causing the problem.
Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 362d
What an inbred donkey.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 362d
hey, donkeys are noble creatures that bond with their human and can even emotionally reciprocate.
this thing is a husk of a human being stuffed with fascist fecal matter.
Tenthrow@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 362d
👀
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 362d
A Louisiana Senator saying something racist? Not News worthy.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 362d
The quiet part out loud.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
After midterms, especially if the republicans manage to cheat enough to still gain seats, some of them will go "N****r, n****r, n****r!" on live television, then racists will go "We're so fucking back!", then work on how to strip black Americans of their human rights with the help of Clarence Thomas.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 362d
Y’all need to appreciate that Louisiana’s batshit MAGAs finally ran the table and it’s something like a mix of Florida and Mississippi but with a lot more heat and pollution.
Ashiggan@eviltoast.org · 2 pts · 362d
Donald Trump and his Nazi ass bullshit let people like this walk and talk free. Fuck all of them.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 361d
Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 362d
That's who these people are and they're fucking all over the US. They're everywhere. The Confederacy is alive and well in the US. Are they making a comeback? Just look at people like Hegseth, and we all know these types voted for trump.