RFK is the best illustration of the difference between informed skepticism and ignorant denialism.
The throughline of all his ideals is that health is a personal choice. Right wing people accept this because it means that we are not responsible for each other. Health-nut people accept this because it means that their quality of life is always going to be under their control.
Both of these ideas is so utterly wrong that it's no wonder that people who accept them say and believe such silly things.
But there is a very high component of personal responsibility in health. Two things can be true at the same time, and in this case we have a personal responsibility to be as healthy as it is possible not only for our own good but for the greater good of society since good diet, exercise etc all improve your immune system, your mental health etc which affects society at large as much as you as an individual.
I'm not talking about personal responsibility as in "don't smoke cigarettes". I'm talking about "ultra-processed foods are the mono-cause for all human disease".
These people don't believe in health-risks. They believe that everyone who ever gets sick could have chosen not to.
we have a personal responsibility to be as healthy as it is possible not only for our own good but for the greater good of society
Ironic how fast "personal responsibility" becomes "you owe your body to the State". But even if we ignore the totalitarianism of your system, it's still wrong.
Smokers and the Obese incur fewer lifetime health costs than joggers. So by your reasoning, it's suddenly patriotic and prosocial to smoke, be a couch potato, and eat potato chips. People who work out are selfish and hate America.
Research and education behind smoking cessation, benefits of exercise, and cardiac drug advances was the worse thing to happen to pension plans and social security. Work, pay taxes, then die is the Project 2025 plan.
Don’t smoke cigarettes is cool if you didn’t grow up in a world where they were handing you cigarettes when you were seven years old.
I quit heroin. Fucking heroin.
Do you know what I can’t quit? Smoking.
I was given my first cigarette when I was five years old. I was smoking a pack a day by the ripe old age of 12.
I was addicted enough that I went out and cut grass entirely to buy cigarettes. My brother and I robbed a delivery truck and took several boxes of camels. I was 13 when we did that.
Is this edited? He looks rough, even compared to just a few months ago. His job would still be stressful, but probably much less so if he were doing a good job. Pretty ironic that he’s harming his own health through his stances on healthcare while incorrectly attributing the poor health of the Americans to their own stances toward healthcare.
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yesman@lemmy.world · 79 pts · 350d
RFK is the best illustration of the difference between informed skepticism and ignorant denialism.
The throughline of all his ideals is that health is a personal choice. Right wing people accept this because it means that we are not responsible for each other. Health-nut people accept this because it means that their quality of life is always going to be under their control.
Both of these ideas is so utterly wrong that it's no wonder that people who accept them say and believe such silly things.
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works · -9 pts · 350d
But there is a very high component of personal responsibility in health. Two things can be true at the same time, and in this case we have a personal responsibility to be as healthy as it is possible not only for our own good but for the greater good of society since good diet, exercise etc all improve your immune system, your mental health etc which affects society at large as much as you as an individual.
It’s 50/50 really.
yesman@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 350d
I'm not talking about personal responsibility as in "don't smoke cigarettes". I'm talking about "ultra-processed foods are the mono-cause for all human disease".
These people don't believe in health-risks. They believe that everyone who ever gets sick could have chosen not to.
Ironic how fast "personal responsibility" becomes "you owe your body to the State". But even if we ignore the totalitarianism of your system, it's still wrong.
Smokers and the Obese incur fewer lifetime health costs than joggers. So by your reasoning, it's suddenly patriotic and prosocial to smoke, be a couch potato, and eat potato chips. People who work out are selfish and hate America.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 350d
Research and education behind smoking cessation, benefits of exercise, and cardiac drug advances was the worse thing to happen to pension plans and social security. Work, pay taxes, then die is the Project 2025 plan.
theangryseal@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 349d
Don’t smoke cigarettes is cool if you didn’t grow up in a world where they were handing you cigarettes when you were seven years old.
I quit heroin. Fucking heroin.
Do you know what I can’t quit? Smoking.
I was given my first cigarette when I was five years old. I was smoking a pack a day by the ripe old age of 12.
I was addicted enough that I went out and cut grass entirely to buy cigarettes. My brother and I robbed a delivery truck and took several boxes of camels. I was 13 when we did that.
Networkcathode@piefed.social · 3 pts · 349d
Source for smokers and the obese incurring fewer lifetime health costs than joggers?
Sonor@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
My guess it that if you kick the curb by 62 you are cheaper if you live to 90
ExtraPartsLeft@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
Do you have a source for the joggers bit?
Networkcathode@piefed.social · 1 pts · 349d
No lol, they made it up on the spot
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 349d
Society is not the state. Society are your fellow human beings.
I was also never positioning this in terms of costs.
You seem to be pretty good at misrepresenting arguments so I’m just gonna stop replying now since it is clear you will not engage in good faith.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 349d
25/75. there's a shitton of luck.
theangryseal@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
My wife had me submit my dna to ancestry. I didn’t want to do it, but she was so excited because I don’t know my family at all.
You want to know what my traits said?
“You probably play a musical instrument.”
If my dna can tell people that I play music, what else can it tell?
You’re damn right it’s luck. Almost across the board as far as I’m concerned.
Rothe@piefed.social · 2 pts · 349d
I am afraid your DNA got into the hands of a grifter scam business. DNA can absolutely not say anything about whether you play a musical instrument.
theangryseal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d
https://www.ancestry.com/c/traits-learning-hub/playing-an-instrument
theangryseal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d
Ancestry.com
sundray@lemmus.org · 24 pts · 350d
Every photo of RFK Jr. is taken during the brief moments between his being face down in a mountain of crushed Adderall.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 349d
He looks strung out on heroine to me. They might have that guy doped up.
Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net · 13 pts · 350d
This picture always makes me think he looks like Rodney Dangerfield's animated corpse doing standup comedy at the behest of an orange necromancer.
FloatingAlong@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 349d
His skin does have a sort of Frankenstein's monster patched-together look to it there.
Rothe@piefed.social · 3 pts · 349d
It has that in every photo of him. Leathery and ill-fitting.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 350d
Leland Palmer looking ass
Never realized it until now
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 350d
Brainworm used brainrot attack, it was highly effective.
x666m@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 350d
Me too, baby
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 350d
Is this edited? He looks rough, even compared to just a few months ago. His job would still be stressful, but probably much less so if he were doing a good job. Pretty ironic that he’s harming his own health through his stances on healthcare while incorrectly attributing the poor health of the Americans to their own stances toward healthcare.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 350d
He's 71. America needs to get over it's fetish of old men politicians. Every single position of elected government should have two term limits.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social · 3 pts · 349d
It's not a fetish, they're the only people that want to go into politics.
At 25, when people are eligible, they have usually worked for a bit and politics isn't on their mind.
Old people can also afford to fuck around with the economy more, they got theirs.
Rothe@piefed.social · 2 pts · 349d
That is not true at all. The problem is that the archaic US political system is geared towards benefiting old white men.
cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 350d
He is on the way of becoming the Trofim Lysenko of our time. The results of his work will be... interesting.
Etterra@discuss.online · 3 pts · 349d
Thanks for that fantastic medicalish opinion there, ole gravel gullet.
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 350d
Rotten Fried Ketchup
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 349d
Fair food comes to Washington