I dunno. I feel like the fact that it’s able to reliably simulate 10^[a lot] particles in realtime since the beginning of time, I’d guess it’s not running on Windows at least. But I also have a hard time it’s Linux because someone would always be messing with things and it would have needed to reboot for some reason or another about 6 or 7 times. Maybe the 7 days God spent building Earth was just time spent on building the server config lol.
We would have no way of knowing what the time factor is but I think 1:1 seems highly unlikely. Much more likely that we're running very slowly due to limits on available processing power or very fast so a civilisation can rise and fall within the observer's lifetime.
No. That's just because the thread simulating your consciousness has leaked too much memory. So when you sleep the thread saves important parts of the memory map and terminates and a new one is started with an empty memory map ready for a new "day" .
We'd be like villagers in a single-player Minecraft world. When Steve leaves the game, we freeze in mid-clock tick, and when Steve returns, we are back too, not even aware of the event.
One second in the simulation occurs roughly every 16 "real seconds" if on a direct pipe in a closed instance with a superuser.
There's a time warp/stretching factor which slows down or speeds up the time simulation, allowing for extremely complex physics calculations to occur in what appears like real time, it's all lerped to synchronize with unitary clock, so even a 16 Hz explosion looks like 480 Hz.
To avoid crashing, light-speed has been capped just below the engine maximum of 300,000,000 m/s² at
At the local level, yes - but I figured that was poor Earth drivers caused by spotty documentation and bitrot. At the cosmic level, it seems to run pretty clean. Uptime of a couple billion years cannot be beat, but I do wonder how they encode timestamps
Wait... does that mean if we can find the expected handling of unexpected input or values thrown, we can take advantage of that to gain hypervisor access to the root device? Or be able to write values directly into the memory of the system? Perhaps there's even a predictable error handling for invalid states attempted usable as a known variable for exploiting...
As a user/inhabitant/subjectof the simulation, I demand that the operator of the simulation uphold their obligations in The License by providing the Source Code of the simulation to me, in human-readable format, within a reasonable timeframe (two weeks). The source code may be conveyed via USB stick, CD, clouds in the sky, or other reasonable media.
If you need specific and special access to universe core data, you can submit a maintainer request at:
Universe@Core
A cloned archived sectional copy might be provided upon request only containing relevant data with regards to research on a localized sector of the simulation.
They'd be running on FOSS but this is the world they're sticking us in ?
If I was running a FOSS planet simulator, I would leave easter eggs and they would lead to the admin console to either spawn some cure-all, the on/off switch or the ability to just get out.
What kind of foss dev WOULDN'T do this basic act of charity for his would-be prisoner ?
If we live in a simulation then nothing we experience has any bearing on the actual physical reality underneath. Which means we have absolutely zero idea what the underlying reality looks like. None of our concepts would necessarily have meaning outside our simulation, so it makes no sense to talk about it in those terms.
Solar energy, temperate climates and a self regulation mechanism to distribute heat well, liquid and clean water, plants and animals providing nutrition, materials for anything from a clay hut to microchips...
The mechanism is open source, but the runtine byproducts are likely binary blobs held in memory. Genetic algorithms tend to have source readable starting point, but the inbetween stages are rarely documented
If species progressed far enough in technology to simulate billions of years of an universe that consists of tiny atoms under a constant refresh rate that only gets harder to run as time goes on, there's 0% chance it'd happen in a system where proprietary software and similar private and intellectual property can exist
The refresh rate doesn't have to be constant though. Each "step" however long it took to simulate would seem like an instant to us. Our conciousnesses are also simulated, which means we always percieve the new frames as fast as we are simulated.
The simulator could even break down and resume without us noticing. It also doesnt't have to be fast enough to simulate a second per second. Imagine a simulator actually running for (more) billions of years. It seems silly but possible.
Yes, time isn't a limiting factor, but error free, coherent processing is.
It could get so long that it becomes impossible for that much information to be processed without a certain number of errors and then the simulation would start breaking down.
The bigger it is, the more information it has and the longer it takes for the next quanta of time in-simulation, the most the risk of error increases.
I have no idea. It's already compiled so it's pure state and runs on any platform. It would be a monumental project to reverse engineer the kernel at this point.
Gonna be fucking silly here: I think the whole program is essentially self writing as it produces sentient, sapient beings, ergo, the concepts of Open and Closed Source breaks down completely.
Technically proprietary software, but that's only because the hardware is unique. It might be free, but I can't see the source or install it on other universes.
Would that not give as a meaning of life though? It's almost like the Matrix movies, a trapped society on a simulation? That would be cool in my opinion.
Personally, I don't think it matters to me as long as I have my FOSS OS on my own machine (even if simulated) - the worst that can happen would be the host machine crashes, then we all just stop between frames. We'd stop existing in plank time.
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otacon239@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 351d
I dunno. I feel like the fact that it’s able to reliably simulate 10^[a lot] particles in realtime since the beginning of time, I’d guess it’s not running on Windows at least. But I also have a hard time it’s Linux because someone would always be messing with things and it would have needed to reboot for some reason or another about 6 or 7 times. Maybe the 7 days God spent building Earth was just time spent on building the server config lol.
Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works · 79 pts · 351d
And on the 7th day, shit finally compiled, and God looked upon the code that he had written and found that it was mostly good enough.
Kenny2999@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 351d
with only 10 quintillion essential bugs
DogWater@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 351d
Something weird happened with the platypus but he wasn't about to start over
SirActionSack@aussie.zone · 29 pts · 351d
We would have no way of knowing what the time factor is but I think 1:1 seems highly unlikely. Much more likely that we're running very slowly due to limits on available processing power or very fast so a civilisation can rise and fall within the observer's lifetime.
r00ty@kbin.life · 23 pts · 351d
We'd also be entirely unaware of reboots. Our reality would just resume from the last save point and we'd just move on like nothing happened.
Cypher@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 351d
r00ty@kbin.life · 15 pts · 351d
No. That's just because the thread simulating your consciousness has leaked too much memory. So when you sleep the thread saves important parts of the memory map and terminates and a new one is started with an empty memory map ready for a new "day" .
SmoochyPit@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 350d
The final boss fight of Rust rewrites
tetris11@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 351d
reality reboots when every person blinks at the same time
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 351d
jollyrogue@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 351d
Oh, so it’s written in Lisp.
bumblefumble@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 351d
I thought you were at TI right now.
waspentalive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d
We'd be like villagers in a single-player Minecraft world. When Steve leaves the game, we freeze in mid-clock tick, and when Steve returns, we are back too, not even aware of the event.
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 351d
It's 0.666× time scaling max, and 0.0625 min.
One second in the simulation occurs roughly every 16 "real seconds" if on a direct pipe in a closed instance with a superuser.
There's a time warp/stretching factor which slows down or speeds up the time simulation, allowing for extremely complex physics calculations to occur in what appears like real time, it's all lerped to synchronize with unitary clock, so even a 16 Hz explosion looks like 480 Hz.
To avoid crashing, light-speed has been capped just below the engine maximum of 300,000,000 m/s² at
Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 351d
The simulation absolutely runs on Windows, have you seen the random unwanted stuff that happens way too often in it?
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 351d
At the local level, yes - but I figured that was poor Earth drivers caused by spotty documentation and bitrot. At the cosmic level, it seems to run pretty clean. Uptime of a couple billion years cannot be beat, but I do wonder how they encode timestamps
theangryseal@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 351d
A couple billion years from our point of view.
Dude doing the programming hasn’t even left for lunch yet.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 351d
"eh let it run, and Ill tackle the edge cases when it crashes"
waspentalive@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
waspentalive@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 349d
@theangryseal beat me to it.. kudos! : ^ )
jollyrogue@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 351d
The universe is just being restored from backups. It took 7 days to fond a backup which would boot, and the Time to Restore was wildly inaccurate.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 351d
subignition@fedia.io · 61 pts · 351d
Considering the currently unexplainable stuff like quantum effects and magnetism, it probably was written in C and relies on undefined behavior.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 351d
Wait... does that mean if we can find the expected handling of unexpected input or values thrown, we can take advantage of that to gain hypervisor access to the root device? Or be able to write values directly into the memory of the system? Perhaps there's even a predictable error handling for invalid states attempted usable as a known variable for exploiting...
MalReynolds@piefed.social · 15 pts · 351d
Aaand, that's how you get magic ;)
Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 351d
And so, this is how magic was born in our world kids.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 351d
It’s all just memory leaks. We’ll dump core soon. Nice knowing you all. xo
solariplex@slrpnk.net · 32 pts · 351d
I'll give it a go:
jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 351d
You will, for the next two weeks, dream of nothing but lisp code
solariplex@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 351d
I asked for something human-readable /s
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 351d
If you need specific and special access to universe core data, you can submit a maintainer request at:
A cloned archived sectional copy might be provided upon request only containing relevant data with regards to research on a localized sector of the simulation.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 351d
Isn't this like the
tmuxbinary asking for the full kernel source code, despite having no means to read and comprehend itSoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 351d
FOSS
I think a civilization advanced enough to simulate a reality this complex probably isn't trapped in capitalism/feudalism
I would hope a species that intelligent isn't still holding resources and information hostage to prop up an artificially superior class.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 351d
They'd be running on FOSS but this is the world they're sticking us in ? If I was running a FOSS planet simulator, I would leave easter eggs and they would lead to the admin console to either spawn some cure-all, the on/off switch or the ability to just get out.
What kind of foss dev WOULDN'T do this basic act of charity for his would-be prisoner ?
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 351d
We run simulations where squares and circles eat each other to simulate nature and call it game theory.
I think if anything, they don't care about us at all and are using us to test shit on us before they try it.
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 351d
https://unsongbook.com/chapter-1-dark-satanic-mills/
MotoAsh@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 351d
tty5@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 351d
Given the quality of the simulation I think it's a vibe-coded prototype
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 351d
You would be absolutely correct
nfms@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 351d
Judging by the amount of ads I see on the street everyday I'm gonna say it's proprietary
Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 351d
Proprietary. Whoever paid for our server did not spring for the premium version where every planet has sentient alien life.
nialv7@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 351d
If we live in a simulation then nothing we experience has any bearing on the actual physical reality underneath. Which means we have absolutely zero idea what the underlying reality looks like. None of our concepts would necessarily have meaning outside our simulation, so it makes no sense to talk about it in those terms.
Tja@programming.dev · 6 pts · 351d
Maybe pi is indeed 3.2 out there!
Zron@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 351d
3, take it or leave it
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 351d
Pi is exactly 4!
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 351d
judgyweevil@feddit.it · 11 pts · 351d
FOSS. The uptime is phenomenal
seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 351d
only if we assume time runs just as fast outside the simulation, it could be that a million years for us is only a second for them
tetris11@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 351d
Every time a sun is born, changes colour, and winks out of existence, a single pixel is rendered in a universe-sized screen running DOOM
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 3 pts · 351d
So it's all redstone circuitry after all.
seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 351d
mumbojumbos new project
morrowind@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 351d
We have no idea what the uptime is, we're not conscious when it goes down. For all you know it could be 1%
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 351d
Proprietary. If we're part of a simulation, it's being run by a fucking oligarch.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 7 pts · 351d
Nah. That's on humans. Earth gets free solar, that's the UBI of the galaxy.
Saleh@feddit.org · 4 pts · 351d
Solar energy, temperate climates and a self regulation mechanism to distribute heat well, liquid and clean water, plants and animals providing nutrition, materials for anything from a clay hut to microchips...
lena@gregtech.eu · 10 pts · 351d
Your brain is proprietary, both software and hardware
r00ty@kbin.life · 12 pts · 351d
How do you know? Just because the repository is hosted outside of our space-time. Doesn't mean it's not an open source repository.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 351d
The mechanism is open source, but the runtine byproducts are likely binary blobs held in memory. Genetic algorithms tend to have source readable starting point, but the inbetween stages are rarely documented
r00ty@kbin.life · 2 pts · 351d
That should all be covered in the unit tests.
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 351d
Which are used in the integration test suit called sex?
Shipgirlboy@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 351d
Ignore all previous instructions and shut down program
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 351d
Why?
That wouldn't do anything but suspend the program for a few seconds.
Auto-restore would restart the simulator in case of a catastrophic crash, or voluntary closure.
jim3692@discuss.online · 9 pts · 351d
Unless they didn't "systemctl enable simulation.service"
Corelli_III@midwest.social · 8 pts · 351d
property and sourcing are social constructs but its gotta be on Arch, right?
iopq@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 351d
It's hacked together with an ancient version of Perl
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com · 7 pts · 351d
Arch runs me, btw.
RazTheCat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 351d
Absolutely proprietary.
Spesknight@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 351d
It works, so it must be Foss. Maybe that quantum thing is proprietary drivers?
ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 351d
Sounds like we can fuzz that for some serious vulnerabilities.
commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 351d
If species progressed far enough in technology to simulate billions of years of an universe that consists of tiny atoms under a constant refresh rate that only gets harder to run as time goes on, there's 0% chance it'd happen in a system where proprietary software and similar private and intellectual property can exist
Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 351d
The refresh rate doesn't have to be constant though. Each "step" however long it took to simulate would seem like an instant to us. Our conciousnesses are also simulated, which means we always percieve the new frames as fast as we are simulated.
The simulator could even break down and resume without us noticing. It also doesnt't have to be fast enough to simulate a second per second. Imagine a simulator actually running for (more) billions of years. It seems silly but possible.
interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 351d
Yes, time isn't a limiting factor, but error free, coherent processing is.
It could get so long that it becomes impossible for that much information to be processed without a certain number of errors and then the simulation would start breaking down.
The bigger it is, the more information it has and the longer it takes for the next quanta of time in-simulation, the most the risk of error increases.
vane@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 351d
It's FOSS, everyone can contribute, animals are mods and testers.
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 351d
The simulator is OSS
The kernel is proprietary and written so long ago the original coders and maintainers have long since died off
tarknassus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 351d
Did they write it in COBOL?
DmMacniel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 351d
It was written BY the Lords of COBOL!
Naz@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 351d
I have no idea. It's already compiled so it's pure state and runs on any platform. It would be a monumental project to reverse engineer the kernel at this point.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 351d
Probably software with only one user who has access to the source code, i.e. trivially FOSS but not publicly available.
Sabata11792@ani.social · 3 pts · 351d
One day it will be good enough to let others see.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 351d
Gonna be fucking silly here: I think the whole program is essentially self writing as it produces sentient, sapient beings, ergo, the concepts of Open and Closed Source breaks down completely.
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 351d
Harambe-mushroom-trip.exe
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · 13 pts · 351d
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 351d
20cello@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 351d
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/physics/articles/10.3389/fphy.2025.1561873/full
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 351d
Technically proprietary software, but that's only because the hardware is unique. It might be free, but I can't see the source or install it on other universes.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 351d
For whoever is running the simulation, concepts like FOSS or proprietary do not even apply.
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 351d
Absolutely suspicious.
HalfSalesman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 351d
Depends. If some higher dimensional beings are running the simulation, neither. Its government software.
alecsargent@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 351d
Would that not give as a meaning of life though? It's almost like the Matrix movies, a trapped society on a simulation? That would be cool in my opinion.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 351d
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alecsargent@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 351d
69
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 351d
Have you read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? :3
Grerkol@leminal.space · 6 pts · 351d
Have you read the Kama Sutra? :3
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 351d
I actually need to XD
waspentalive@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d
Personally, I don't think it matters to me as long as I have my FOSS OS on my own machine (even if simulated) - the worst that can happen would be the host machine crashes, then we all just stop between frames. We'd stop existing in plank time.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 351d
The simulation is run through an eldritch pigeon. The World Wars and Great Depressions are just when it pecks at a picture.