Besides this one comment, there was another one that was, again, directed against Shroom specifically (6 day old comment btw, not even fresh so had to be deliberately seeked out) and it was a strawman + bait.
You're the same person who's been making alts for months to harass that person using the same instance and freshly created burner accounts.
Barter within primitive communism was literally a very early stage of commodity production, advancement and generalization of which turned into capitalism.
The act of exchange already implies a degree of private ownership (as in, whatever is being bartered isn't part of the social stock that's free for the taking if needed), there might be traces of value present within the exchange (i.e. equivalence of trade subconsciously measured by something as to prevent trading a single berry for a stone chair) and yada yada.
It wasn't capitalism because goods were mainly being produced for different reasons, but the act of barter was definitely a development towards commodity production, and by extension capitalism - after all, it'd be absurd to think that it came out of nowhere.
I've read some of his most major works (technofeudalism, another now and his account of the Greek debt crisis) back when I was still a leftist and looking back the amount of bs he spouses is astonishing, selling more snake oil than Henry George and his "one simple trick".
Capitalism is literally a system of commodity production (production for exchange) and due to the nature of commodities markets get created. "The wealth of those societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails, presents itself as “an immense accumulation of commodities", its unit being a single commodity." is the very first sentence in Capital by Karl Marx.
What Varoufakis is saying here is that if stock market or private ownership transfers get restricted, suddenly it's not capitalism anymore which is not true at all, it doesn't change why things are produced or what they lead to and also indirectly calls state capitalism (where the ownership is (largely) nationalized) as being anti-capitalist.
it's a shame anarchists continue their tradition in splitting the left and preventing anything from being done, instead of uniting with other leftists who want all the good and moral things (like this fine gentlexem OP here) and taking down John Capitalism who's from USA (the only evil capitalist imperialist nation in the world)
Communist kinda means nothing without a working class movement, which there aren't any as of this moment. In both online spaces and irl though the identifier has become dominated by Marxist-Leninist types who get their entire worldview and "theory" through YouTube or social media hugboxes.
What this results in is, in short, complete misrepresentation of what communism and marxist theory actually are, extreme nationalist campism and straight delusion like claiming that China compared to other capitalists countries are fundamentally any different (most importantly in an economic sense, it's also similar politically but that stems from the economic base, look up base and superstructure).
DOTP is a period where proletariat seize state power, radically transforming it to pursue their class interests and historic task, that being the end of capitalism as a whole. This class power organizes itself politically through specific organs, one such possible organization being a party that comes from the revolutionary proletariat itself, not something that's politically autonomous.
Soviet Russia for the first few years was a DOTP, Bolsheviks were genuinely hard at work trying to achieve the first pre-requisite for the abolishment of capitalism, that being an international revolution - you can't have socialism in one country. However, those revolutions were crushed, Soviet Russia was completely isolated and the state stopped being a DOTP around 1920, with Bolsheviks starting to play for survival rather than advancement of proletariat interests. Concessions were brought in like NEP, later on it had overgone a Stalinist counter-revolution and national bourgeois interests took a grip.
Tried to keep it brief without going into too much detail, but tldr: USSR didn't fail because le evil cabal of authoritarians, but because the revolution had failed. The ruling class was pursuing economic transformation until it couldn't and the organ lost its class character.
yeah, it's a shame great man Lenin betrayed everyone by not pressing the communism button as soon as Bolsheviks and proletariat took state power, didn't use mind control magic on the entire world to ensure a global proletarian revolution and immediately made the state irrelevant so it withered away
almost as if the form that proletariat power takes shape in is irrelevant to the "withering away of the state" concept, if you took the time to read anything about it you'd see that it's predominantly economic transformation that matters
You don't even know what communism is but just larp on lemmy full time about it, I can tell. Maybe append your comment with "China give me money" or whatever other AES nation of choice you're doing unpaid PR work for next time
No, just a leftoid who has gone insane which is a common occurrence. Who really needs to be banned are accounts like yours whose whole purpose is to harass a single person, maybe instead of doing that you should check this wiki article out
Shroom is becoming kinda notorious for power trips like these, it's not the first nor second nor third time this happens. At this point, communities they moderate should be just be avoided
Besides this one comment, there was another one that was, again, directed against Shroom specifically (6 day old comment btw, not even fresh so had to be deliberately seeked out) and it was a strawman + bait.
You're the same person who's been making alts for months to harass that person using the same instance and freshly created burner accounts.
Why return it? Just bring it home
great woman theory
10/10 shitpost, no notes
Barter within primitive communism was literally a very early stage of commodity production, advancement and generalization of which turned into capitalism.
The act of exchange already implies a degree of private ownership (as in, whatever is being bartered isn't part of the social stock that's free for the taking if needed), there might be traces of value present within the exchange (i.e. equivalence of trade subconsciously measured by something as to prevent trading a single berry for a stone chair) and yada yada.
It wasn't capitalism because goods were mainly being produced for different reasons, but the act of barter was definitely a development towards commodity production, and by extension capitalism - after all, it'd be absurd to think that it came out of nowhere.
Fascism, if you look at Mussolini's Italy
I've read some of his most major works (technofeudalism, another now and his account of the Greek debt crisis) back when I was still a leftist and looking back the amount of bs he spouses is astonishing, selling more snake oil than Henry George and his "one simple trick".
Capitalism is literally a system of commodity production (production for exchange) and due to the nature of commodities markets get created. "The wealth of those societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails, presents itself as “an immense accumulation of commodities", its unit being a single commodity." is the very first sentence in Capital by Karl Marx.
What Varoufakis is saying here is that if stock market or private ownership transfers get restricted, suddenly it's not capitalism anymore which is not true at all, it doesn't change why things are produced or what they lead to and also indirectly calls state capitalism (where the ownership is (largely) nationalized) as being anti-capitalist.
Hue and cry
it's a shame anarchists continue their tradition in splitting the left and preventing anything from being done, instead of uniting with other leftists who want all the good and moral things (like this fine gentlexem OP here) and taking down John Capitalism who's from USA (the only evil capitalist imperialist nation in the world)
On an unrelated note, China please give us money
Delusional capitalist who gets their understanding of theory from YouTube and social media hugboxes spotted
Communist kinda means nothing without a working class movement, which there aren't any as of this moment. In both online spaces and irl though the identifier has become dominated by Marxist-Leninist types who get their entire worldview and "theory" through YouTube or social media hugboxes.
What this results in is, in short, complete misrepresentation of what communism and marxist theory actually are, extreme nationalist campism and straight delusion like claiming that China compared to other capitalists countries are fundamentally any different (most importantly in an economic sense, it's also similar politically but that stems from the economic base, look up base and superstructure).
DOTP is a period where proletariat seize state power, radically transforming it to pursue their class interests and historic task, that being the end of capitalism as a whole. This class power organizes itself politically through specific organs, one such possible organization being a party that comes from the revolutionary proletariat itself, not something that's politically autonomous.
Soviet Russia for the first few years was a DOTP, Bolsheviks were genuinely hard at work trying to achieve the first pre-requisite for the abolishment of capitalism, that being an international revolution - you can't have socialism in one country. However, those revolutions were crushed, Soviet Russia was completely isolated and the state stopped being a DOTP around 1920, with Bolsheviks starting to play for survival rather than advancement of proletariat interests. Concessions were brought in like NEP, later on it had overgone a Stalinist counter-revolution and national bourgeois interests took a grip.
Tried to keep it brief without going into too much detail, but tldr: USSR didn't fail because le evil cabal of authoritarians, but because the revolution had failed. The ruling class was pursuing economic transformation until it couldn't and the organ lost its class character.
yeah, it's a shame great man Lenin betrayed everyone by not pressing the communism button as soon as Bolsheviks and proletariat took state power, didn't use mind control magic on the entire world to ensure a global proletarian revolution and immediately made the state irrelevant so it withered away
almost as if the form that proletariat power takes shape in is irrelevant to the "withering away of the state" concept, if you took the time to read anything about it you'd see that it's predominantly economic transformation that matters
Wrong, the only communist country is Israel https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NMOjz7Z4DNQ
If only there was theory written about it, supported by a scientific method of historical analysis that was way ahead of it's time...
You don't even know what communism is but just larp on lemmy full time about it, I can tell. Maybe append your comment with "China give me money" or whatever other AES nation of choice you're doing unpaid PR work for next time
Wouldn't be surprised if new users actually complain about them, pretty much all the 'communists' here are obnoxious nationalist larpers
Didn't know that big man Ben N was an anarchist, that explains a lot!
No, just a leftoid who has gone insane which is a common occurrence. Who really needs to be banned are accounts like yours whose whole purpose is to harass a single person, maybe instead of doing that you should check this wiki article out
Shroom is becoming kinda notorious for power trips like these, it's not the first nor second nor third time this happens. At this point, communities they moderate should be just be avoided