I am currently using Librewolf.
But Zen & floorp browser looks beautiful.
What do you suggest?
I personally like the looks of Zen.
I would also appreciate any tips to make Zen more secure than it already is.
Edit: consider this too
Negative post about zen: https://www.reddit.com/r/LibreWolf/comments/1ezumu7/comment/ljnjx2b/
Positive post about zen: https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1fz7j9s/comment/lqzklza/
46 Comments
manualoverride@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 342d
I genuinely thought this was satire, never heard of either and have only just started with LibreWolf… now I have more options to research!
eldavi@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 341d
same here; this comm is always good at making me aware of what i don't know (which is a lot. lol)
NarrativeBear@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 342d
Here I am thinking what's a floorp and mixing it up with the plumbus.
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 340d
When I read "floorp" my mind immediately went to a mopping robot vacuum 🤣
FrodoSpark@piefed.social · 10 pts · 342d
I use Floorp, haven't tried Zen though. I remember some drama of Floorp temporarily closing it's source but I believe it's open source now. I like it for the side bar it comes with, it's pretty useful for multitasking but I guess you could just open two windows and place them side by side
melroy@kbin.melroy.org · 6 pts · 342d
It's indeed open source. No issues today.
optissima@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 342d
Zen left dev mode on in prod so everyone using it was exposed and the dev played it down iirc
brrt@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 342d
A dev made a mistake when the product was still in alpha and fixed it immediately after becoming aware of it. Let’s never use the product ever again!
optissima@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 342d
I guess I didnt remember it correctly, and I do still use it after they fixed it. What's with the tone?
rumba@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 342d
Not OP, Remember, it's hard to read true tone through text. It read to me is sarcasm, but not particularly spicy, and also not entirely inaccurate.
I do wish we could all have less tone issues. This place is getting a bit toxic, but fuck, it's still better than Reddit.
;)
Kiuyn@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 342d
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 342d
You trying to coax me from librewolfs maturity for new browsers?
Pudutr0n@feddit.cl · 6 pts · 342d
I tried zen and then someone told me something concerning I forgot about by now so I switched back. Floorp I've never even heard of, but I'd have a hard time taking anything called that seriously.
Tundra@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 342d
this maybe?
https://sizeof.cat/post/web-browser-telemetry-2025-edition/
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d
That only seems relevant if one uses the defaults, and if you care about privacy you probably don't, so idk what's the goal of this little experiment other than just curiosity.
It'd be a whole lot more useful if it was "here's the connections these browsers made after enabling all privacy-preserving settings they offer".
DrDystopia@lemy.lol · 4 pts · 342d
A lot of users care about privacy but find it unattainable due to technical difficulties.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 342d
That's my point, checking a few boxes in the settings is the bare minimum if you care about it, so idk what's the value in comparing defaults.
And privacy is often a tradeoff, if a browser doesn't have the strictest by default, it's probably because the ones who forked it didn't consider it a good tradeoff.
Ulrich@feddit.org · 1 pts · 340d
Privacy needs to be the default in order to be recommended, in my opinion.
melroy@kbin.melroy.org · 3 pts · 342d
Floorp is just cool
codenul@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 342d
Both are using Firefox base
I like to test browsers through www.browseraudit.com although im not sure how reliable the results are. I tend to stick with Browsers that score high 390's / 400.
In case you are wondering, Floorp scored a 400, while Zen scored a 397. Not bad at all
Weird that both taskbar icons for both browsers are the same? (Yellow circle with white "W" on it). Both were downloaded for linux, zipped.
gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 342d
thats the wayland icon, for whatever running it didnt map the icon
notarobot@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 342d
To consider: sticking with the main browsers helps you resist fingerprinting
Core_of_Arden@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 342d
I think that it's your browser, your choice.
I use Firefox, and don't worry about a thing. :-) Not even what you like for a browser.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 341d
I generally tend to stay with browsers I know. It's tedious enough hardening Firefox and getting everything down to a note. I do have Librefox onboard but I rarely use it.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 339d
What do you to harden Firefox?
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 339d
I've used a few tutorials online, and was looking through my bookmarks. This one is pretty good:
https://brainfucksec.github.io/firefox-hardening-guide
I also run Enhanced Tracking Protection in the 'Privacy and Security' settings in firefox at Custom with all options ticked except:
Whatever breaks, breaks.
Additionally, 'DNS over HTTPS' set at Max Protection.
Again, whatever breaks breaks and I move on to another site.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 339d
Half my stuff breaks with the protection I use. The privacy/security struggle is real.
irmadlad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 339d
Solidarity my brother. If I can't bend a website to my will, screw it. The info is more than likely duplicated across the internet anyways.
spinning_disk_engineer@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 340d
Consider if a theme could accomplish what you want: It seems like they all use firefox under the hood, and if all you want is appearance, you shouldn't need to change your entire browser. Keeping in mind that a smaller fingerprinting pool is less anonymous, if you care about that.
I haven't actually used any other than librewolf though, so if switching provides any features you care about, go for it.
melroy@kbin.melroy.org · 2 pts · 342d
Floorp
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 342d
I use Vivaldi and Zen as second. I need the sync function and I don't want an Mozilla account, nor an third party solution. Vivaldo offers full sync ee2e no knowledge in the own server in Iceland.
djsaskdja@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 342d
Vivaldi isn’t open source. Not sure I’d trust that from a privacy perspective.
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 342d
You can, part of the script corresponding to its UI is proprietary, but UI code is written in plain, accessible code for those who read HTML, CSS and JS and even moddeable by the user, but can't be forked legally by Chrome or EDGE (🖕) nor by other browsers. It`s something like open proprietary freeware. There are no logs, tracking or any other crap. nor third party investors. Sync ee2e no-knowledge. The rest is OpenSource with several different licenses, specificated in the source package. As all other browser, collecting anonym statistical data (country for lenguage settings, OS, needed tecnical data)
https://vivaldi.com/source/
OccasionallyFeralya@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 341d
I believe the term you’re looking for might be “source-available”
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 341d
Yes, something like this, despite not fully OpenSource, it's pretty trustworth because of this, there is nothing shady or hidden in Vivaldi.
djsaskdja@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 338d
If you can’t compile it yourself, it doesn’t count.
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 338d
You are free to compile it for yourself if you are masochist enough to compile a browser from source, only you can't do it legally distributing it under an other brand than Vivaldi. That is the only limit.
djsaskdja@reddthat.com · 0 pts · 338d
I promise it won’t work with the files they provide.
4am@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 342d
Zen video playback was awful for me, but I like almost everything else about it.
infjarchninja@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 340d
Jaaaardvark@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 342d
Any opinions on Firedragon (Floorp's fork, default in Garuda linux)
theherk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 342d
I have used Zen a lot since the early days and it has been very good. Suits my needs perfectly. However, recently I started testing out Orion and it has also been very nice. It has very good privacy and is WebKit if you’re into that. I’m just happy with anything not Blink.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 340d
Isn't Blink the Google component?
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 340d
No, Blink is the render engine of Chromium, same as Gecko in Firefox. Blink is one of the forks of KHTML, made by KDE, same as WebKit. It is used by Google use it in the Chrome browser and also EDGE, Opera, Brave, Vivaldi and other, forks of Blink are Qt browsers, eg. Otter browser or Falcon. Goanna is an fork from Gecko, used by eg. Pale Moon, Basilisk and K-Melon. But these forks only making sense for older devices and OS with few sys specs, due to limited functionality and compatibilities with certain web contents. Qt engines because of this more used in auxiliar app, eg. mail clients.
There are only this three engines + the 2 forks, which can be used by the current browsers, apart of some basic engines used by text only browsers, like eg Lynx or Links
theherk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 340d
Correct. I prefer to avoid the browsers that use their browser engine.
Highlandcow@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 340d
Dude gleebal browser is so much better man wtf ):<
arsCynic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 342d
I come from Vivaldi, and Zen was the only customizable powerhouse that equaled the former. Next to Zen I also use LibreWolf, and Waterfox on Android.
✍︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.
mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online · 1 pts · 342d
buriii@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 342d
floorp