probably uses Discourse… I don’t get why people like that forum software :/
I don't either. It hates minority browsers even more than Cloudflare does, doubles down on this by using unnecessary bleeding-edge Javascript constructs, and every instance of it I've ever seen looks ugly as hell.
I don't get why people like that forum software :/
feature packed with a really clean and user friendly UI + each distro can easily customize it to add lots of their own brand identity (Manjaro especially appreciates this).
I don't have a problem with it not loading correctly, and it loads quickly even on somewhat slow internet (using Firefox).
it feels like a "web app" more than a website. Like, it somehow needs to "load" after loading the page.. unlike classic forum softwares that just instantly show the pre-rendered page.
this is personal preference but the ui also feels way too 'simple', hard to navigate and has low info density. i guess this is how more people nowadays prefer things to work
it feels like a "web app" more than a website. Like, it somehow needs to "load" after loading the page.. unlike classic forum softwares that just instantly show the pre-rendered page.
I kind of like this behavior. If you're writing a complex website with user posts, comments, tags, and other nifty stuff and want it to stay modular it's almost guaranteed that you'll end up with this loading behavior (unless you want to SSR everything).
ui also feels way too 'simple', hard to navigate and has low info density. i guess this is how more people nowadays prefer things to work
Don't know about that, I find it easy to navigate with the consistent sidebar elements. Searching for posts is easy since they're usually well tagged and have good titles. Searching for solutions and checking out community contributions and votes is about 90% of my use case for a forum. Maybe you have different use cases.
In the 6 years I've been with Firefox on Linux on my 9-year-old laptop, I could count on both hands the number of sites that didn't render correctly, and on one hand the number that didn't run or weren't performant.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but I definitely feel for folks who are stuck with Chrome and all those ads.
??? Arch Wiki is just plain html and css? You might be experiencing the ddos arch services have experienced lately. In any case I've not had any problems on Librewolf, although out of the websites you listed I only regularly visit the Arch Wiki and occasionally the PostmarketOS site.
May I ask: when did you last try Firefox? There was a period during the 2010s when it has truly horrible performance, but they rolled out some major updates several years ago that greatly improved performance (though wouldn’t call some of the UI changes improvements).
Honestly, every major rendering engine is terrible in some way.
Blink is resource intensive and has so many non-standard APIs for the sake of Google’s version of “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”.
WebKit takes 50 years to support the newest standards.
Gecko (Firefox) is non-modular and is limited to being used in Firefox, Thunderbird, and forks and Firefox as a result. Its performance is also somewhat worse than Chrome’s, but not noticeable for daily use.
Ultimately, I choose Firefox because its issues are the least annoying to me. I do wish its structure was more community-based and less corporation-eating-its-own-hand, but whatever. So long as Debian sees it fit to keep in its repos, I’ll use it.
I'm a diehard Firefox user but i can instantly notice the preformance improvement when I'm using edge and chrome. I dont need my tech to be the best in class it just needs to work well which firefox does.
Moved off Firefox this month. I was die hard Firefox user for decades. All the way back to Netscape and the original Mozilla browser with the t-Rex logo.
I tried using zen and librewolf but they both suffered the same problem. Dogshit engine.
May I ask what your config was, such as distro, packaging format, and extensions were used? Also, what hardware?
Additionally, what issues specifically were you experiencing specifically? Were sites just loading slowly?
I ask because I’ve used recent versions Firefox on decently old hardware with 4 GB of RAM and 2 cores and had almost no problems. Everything rendered correctly and in a reasonable amount of time. I’d be curious to know why that isn’t happening for you.
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hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org · 31 pts · 332d
postmarketOS and Arch wiki? That's very weird, aren't both plain mediawiki? Works really well on my Firefox. Even works on SeaMonkey.
EndeavourOS/Manjaro forum probably uses Discourse... I don't get why people like that forum software :/
nyan@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 332d
I don't either. It hates minority browsers even more than Cloudflare does, doubles down on this by using unnecessary bleeding-edge Javascript constructs, and every instance of it I've ever seen looks ugly as hell.
Limitless_screaming@kbin.earth · 8 pts · 332d
feature packed with a really clean and user friendly UI + each distro can easily customize it to add lots of their own brand identity (Manjaro especially appreciates this).
I don't have a problem with it not loading correctly, and it loads quickly even on somewhat slow internet (using Firefox).
hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org · 14 pts · 332d
it feels like a "web app" more than a website. Like, it somehow needs to "load" after loading the page.. unlike classic forum softwares that just instantly show the pre-rendered page.
this is personal preference but the ui also feels way too 'simple', hard to navigate and has low info density. i guess this is how more people nowadays prefer things to work
Limitless_screaming@kbin.earth · 2 pts · 332d
I kind of like this behavior. If you're writing a complex website with user posts, comments, tags, and other nifty stuff and want it to stay modular it's almost guaranteed that you'll end up with this loading behavior (unless you want to SSR everything).
Don't know about that, I find it easy to navigate with the consistent sidebar elements. Searching for posts is easy since they're usually well tagged and have good titles. Searching for solutions and checking out community contributions and votes is about 90% of my use case for a forum. Maybe you have different use cases.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 332d
Forum software is like exactly what raw html/css was made for, i don't understand the need for slow js bloat
JASN_DE@feddit.org · 29 pts · 332d
Alanis, is that you?
trk@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 332d
It's like rain on OPs wedding day
MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 332d
A free ride when they've already paid
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 332d
The good advice that they just won't take is spot on for the Arch Wiki, though.
anon5621@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 332d
Manjaro forum maybe,but postmarket os site and arch wiki is static sites for me it's working very fast in firefox
kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 332d
Archlinux site has been targeted by a DDoS attack recently and apart from that it always works great on any browser/engine
otter@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 332d
Most sites run as well, if not better, on Firefox for me.
If you're running a quick and dirty test, you might not get an accurate picture of the performance differences. For example:
You could try giving Firefox a clean install, or opening it in
safe mode(it's now called troubleshoot mode), to see if there's any differenceeldavi@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 332d
-- that or plugins/extensions
these sites work well for me too and i also use firefox on all of my devices.
beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org · 13 pts · 332d
In the 6 years I've been with Firefox on Linux on my 9-year-old laptop, I could count on both hands the number of sites that didn't render correctly, and on one hand the number that didn't run or weren't performant.
Maybe I'm just lucky, but I definitely feel for folks who are stuck with Chrome and all those ads.
communism@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 331d
??? Arch Wiki is just plain html and css? You might be experiencing the ddos arch services have experienced lately. In any case I've not had any problems on Librewolf, although out of the websites you listed I only regularly visit the Arch Wiki and occasionally the PostmarketOS site.
QuizzaciousOtter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 331d
Chrome is just faster than Firefox. I use Firefox, but I do it despite its performance, not because of it.
zewm@lemmy.world · -24 pts · 332d
I know the Linux community has a hard time accepting this, but Firefox’s rendering engine is trash tier. Even in Windows.
I don’t know the inner workings or politics, I can only go by anecdotal evidence. Firefox runs like shit for me on everything.
🤷♂️
MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 332d
Going by my experience, the problem is something else at your end. Mind you, I don't load it down with loads of extensions.
verdigris@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 332d
Well anecdotally many of us have the opposite experience so I guess sucks to be you?
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 332d
the only sites ff is shit for is Google sites imo (e.g. earth and maps)
otherwise it's fine
otter@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 332d
Also YouTube
https://lifehacker.com/tech/stop-google-slowing-down-youtube-firefox-edge
Changing the user agent seems to help in some cases
data1701d@startrek.website · 1 pts · 332d
Honestly, even those don’t run that horrid for me when I have to use them.
Jumuta@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 332d
they're not unusable but you can definitely notice there's some Google fuckery going on
data1701d@startrek.website · 3 pts · 332d
May I ask: when did you last try Firefox? There was a period during the 2010s when it has truly horrible performance, but they rolled out some major updates several years ago that greatly improved performance (though wouldn’t call some of the UI changes improvements).
Honestly, every major rendering engine is terrible in some way.
Ultimately, I choose Firefox because its issues are the least annoying to me. I do wish its structure was more community-based and less corporation-eating-its-own-hand, but whatever. So long as Debian sees it fit to keep in its repos, I’ll use it.
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 332d
I'm a diehard Firefox user but i can instantly notice the preformance improvement when I'm using edge and chrome. I dont need my tech to be the best in class it just needs to work well which firefox does.
zewm@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 332d
Moved off Firefox this month. I was die hard Firefox user for decades. All the way back to Netscape and the original Mozilla browser with the t-Rex logo.
I tried using zen and librewolf but they both suffered the same problem. Dogshit engine.
Opal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 329d
What are you using now?
zewm@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 328d
Vivaldi
data1701d@startrek.website · 1 pts · 332d
May I ask what your config was, such as distro, packaging format, and extensions were used? Also, what hardware?
Additionally, what issues specifically were you experiencing specifically? Were sites just loading slowly?
I ask because I’ve used recent versions Firefox on decently old hardware with 4 GB of RAM and 2 cores and had almost no problems. Everything rendered correctly and in a reasonable amount of time. I’d be curious to know why that isn’t happening for you.
zewm@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
It’s not that it renders incorrectly so much as abysmal performance. Choppy scrolling, page elements taking a long time to load, etc.
I did a bit of distro hopping lately so it was on a few distros mainly arch and Fedora base.
Also experienced this in windows 10 and 11.
Engywuck@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 332d
/thread
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
There’s like 3 rendering engines. Not everything can be described with a tier list.
Engywuck@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 332d
Let's say it's just trash, then.