A Kentucky church is urging its members to remove books from the Shelby Public Library by checking them out and never returning them

https://nebraskaexaminer.com/2025/08/18/fight-between-library-and-church-theft-or-civil-disobedience/

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reddig33@lemmy.world · 224 pts · 343d (4 replies)

That’s called stealing. And that book they claim to have read says that’s a no no.

Also your library will just buy more copies. Which means your taxes will go up to pay for the missing books.

papalonian@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 343d (3 replies)

Also your library will just buy more copies. Which means your taxes will go up to pay for the missing books.

Lolno. Libraries are getting funds cut. They will not buy a new copy, it will become unavailable, then those that would go to a library to borrow it no longer can, so they find it online, and the right can say "see? Nobody goes to libraries anyways".

lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 342d (2 replies)

Our libraries send an invoice to the people who have unpaid dues.

And they can’t loan anything before the dues have been paid.

Might even go to collections if you’re enough of an ass

papalonian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d (1 reply)

Our libraries have mostly moved away from this model. I may have some details mixed up but I believe there was a study done that showed books were more likely to be returned without the late fee than with a fee.

Basically people will feel ashamed or embarrassed to return a book so late (or maybe in extreme cases cannot easily afford the couple dollars) so they end up stealing the book and never returning it. So now the library has to buy a $10 book because someone couldn't pay the $5 late fee. It just makes more sense in the long run to let people bring the book back late without penalty vs not bring it back at all in fear of a fee.

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 342d

Late fees have largely been abandoned, yes. But lost book fees are still widely in use. They’ll just lock your account until you either return the book or pay for a replacement.

MehBlah@lemmy.world · 108 pts · 343d (4 replies)

I wonder what would happen if a athiest group started removing religious books from that same library and publicizing it? We know these chumps wont be able to see any similarity between the two acts.

Greddan@feddit.org · 27 pts · 343d
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possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 342d (2 replies)

Can be just leave the books alone?

This isn't 451°F

MehBlah@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d (1 reply)

I would be just as pissed if it was atheist doing something like this. That isn't likely. As annoying as a atheist can be in your life even if you are not religious they do tend to be critical thinkers.

possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 342d

press X for doubt

I think it boils down to the person and what society thinks is ok. Groupthink is rarely a positive.

Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 81 pts · 343d (8 replies)

This a church who is urging it's members to break a commandment. Something that if you break it you go hell.

If their god was teal he lable this church a work of the devil.

dinckelman@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 343d
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cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 343d (4 replies)

Religion is true to the fool, false to the wise man, and useful to the politician.

There are a LOT of good churches out there, run by good people. Not all churches are good though, and the ones that are bad... tend to be really bad.

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 343d (3 replies)

And see, here's the thing. I'm an athiest, but I think churches COULD be a good thing. It's an organization that teaches people to be good people. Sure, fine, they believe there's an all knowing invisible man in the sky that knows everything since the dawn of time. And I'll ignore the fact that supposedly everything that happens is his plan, but also we have free will.....that he planned. I'll ignore that not making sense, because simple minded as they may be, they're just trying to be good people. Religion helps them not struggle with the hard questions in life, and just be a human. A good human.

Now for the part where it all comes crumbling down for me.

I have never once met an overly religious person who wasn't also a massive hypocrite. So now, it goes from being a person just trying to BE good, into being a person just trying to APPEAR to be a good person while hiding all the evil shit they do.

Now, I don't believe heaven exists. I don't believe hell exists. I believe earth exists. I believe through the acts of chaos theory that billions of years ago a chain reaction happened in this solar system. I don't know what led to it happening. I don't know why it doesn't happen in other solar systems more often. But I do believe it happened here. And then over the coarse of billions of years, and juuuuuuust the right atmospheric conditions, life exists. Life adapts. Life dies. New life emerges. And I believe that may have also happened outside of our solar system. Not humans. Some other life form. Maybe it's a planet full of space cows. Maybe something else. Nobody knows. And I may be wrong. Maybe we are alone.

The point is, I don't believe there is a "good place" to go when I die that rewards my behavior in life, like an all seeing Santa Claus. Which means, when I do good things, when I do morally right things, it's because I'M the one who determined them to be the right thing to do. I decided that it needs to be done. Not because I'll get rewarded later, but because it's the right thing to do.

Now, if I decide to do bad things, I also don't believe I'll be held in some firey eternity. I don't believe I'll be punished post death for anything I'l done. I don't believe Hitler went to hell. Not because he doesn't deserve it (if it were real, he absolutely does). I just don't think anybody gets praised or punished or exists at all post death.

But that's not how these people see it. From their perspective, they know they're doing wrong. Their god knows they're doing wrong. Their church knows they're doing wrong too! So wouldn't that imply this all goes towards their sins list?

But then I get told that sinners can just repent for all their sins, and be accepted into heaven.

Soooooooo.........literally your entire life, all your beliefs, all your good deeds, all your bad deeds, all the time in church, all the time praying, it was all one MASSIVE waste of time. Me being an athiest, could repent for all my sins, never having believed in god my whole life, and I'd be let in.

So really, them taking these books doesn't mean a damn thing to them, until they get the same treatment done to them. Then suddenly we're the sinners. We're going to hell.

See? Hypocrites.

NABDad@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d (2 replies)

I'm gonna respond to a couple points.

I have never once met an overly religious person who wasn't also a massive hypocrite

I have. Not many. I can think of one. There may be others. However, that's enough for me to know it does happen.

From their perspective, they know they're doing wrong. Their god knows they're doing wrong. Their church knows they're doing wrong too! So wouldn't that imply this all goes towards their sins list?

Absolutely! The bible warns against following false prophets. That's what these church leaders are.

But then I get told that sinners can just repent for all their sins, and be accepted into heaven.

Yeah, but depending on the church, you have to actually repent. As I understand it, Catholics can confess their sins to a priest and be absolved. However, most other Christian religions consider it a matter between you and God, so you can't just pretend to repent. It's has to be real. You don't get to trick God.

One way it was described to me is like this: to be forgiven for your sins, you have to welcome Jesus into your heart. However, if you have welcomed Jesus into your heart, you wouldn't sin. So, a sinner who has truly repented and embraced Jesus is forgiven and won't sin again.

I think the vast majority of people who are going to church don't believe it any more than you do. They're in it for the social interaction or for the standing it gives them in their community, and it's all just bullshit. However, I have met real true believers.

onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 342d

The best Christians I've known weren't overly religious people. They were just good people who did good things.

In my experience people who actually try to live by Jesus's teachings don't broadcast it every chance they get.

Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d

Roman Catholics get to talk to the father in confession and are issued a pennance. In my experience ( I'm since agnostic ) I was issued dumb things like say 100 hail Marys my son. It's all a joke really. We were expected to confess EVERY week so we would use convenient things like "father I had Inpure thoughts about miss Tucker" even though you didn't. Most of us didn't do the pennance. We did however make friends with the altar boys who had access to the wine... Yeah we used real wine. I got a little more than tipsy on the blood of Christ a few times.

Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 342d

If their god was teal it would clash with the drapes. J/k you make.a valid point I just needed a goof.

eezeebee@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 343d

Breaking a commandment doesn't send you to hell, it's just a ding on your record which you can wipe clean infinitely by asking for forgiveness.

Sinning is free real estate.

frustrated_phagocytosis@fedia.io · 56 pts · 343d

Library: these books are so popular, better order more

gex@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 343d (1 reply)

The library should just publish a list of cardholders that haven't returned their books

John doe: borrowed "Raising LGBTQ Allies: A Parent’s Guide to Changing the Messages from the Playground" 15 weeks ago

lettruthout@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 343d

So either John is a thief or he‘s REALLY into the subject.

LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 343d (2 replies)

I hope their kids read the books they stole and become woke

FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 342d (1 reply)

He didn’t steal the book but my grandpa handing me a copy of the Hitchhiker’s Guide literally ‘woke’ me as a kid and prevented me from becoming another Mormon zombie

Reading is fundamental 🌈

Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 342d

Username checks out. (Don't worry, I'll return it within two weeks.)

TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 343d

how long until they have a pot-luck / get rid of your un-read books bonfire

DonkMagnum@lemy.lol · 16 pts · 343d

I will hand my credit card number over to the charity that gives 5 new copies of a book to any library that has one stolen.

themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 343d

If you rely on religion for your morality, you can be convinced that anything is moral.

PedroMaldonado@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 343d

We could have gotten there. To that Future. But, no. Its superstition, fleas, and a darker world. Thanks for nothing, jerks.

Geodad@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 342d
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fartographer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 343d (2 replies)

Please don't do this to us! But also, this is stealing, so you could get caught!

You know what would really hurt us and I hope and pray that they never discover? If they check out the books and then have other members reserve those books and then continue checking out those books systematically so that no one else can use it! Now, the library, oblivious to your scheme, is likely to order more copies, so you'll need to get more of your friends registered at the library to check out these new copies. Also, you'll need to obfuscate the fact that you're checking out these specific items, and you never know what kind of smut may exist in other mediums! So, be thorough and check out CDs, DVDs, games, etc. Even if you don't have the ability to view these items, you can check out the proper equipment from the library. But you'd have to be really nefarious assholes to do some sick shit like this!

Even worse would be if they were to discover that they could cover more ground by requesting items from other libraries. Please, whatever you do, don't inundate our libraries with requests, transfers, and queries!

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 342d (1 reply)

Well, the good thing is, while it is stealing, it is also on record. Just expand the libraries bylaws to include exponential late fees (which the library can waive at their own discretion for someone normal who is just late returning a normal book), and then send them into court.

fartographer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 342d

Oh sure, but I was just describing the normal library process while trying to make it sound vindictive and scandalous.

I thought I'd come up with witty humor, but it was actually boring and confusing.

Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 343d

As ways to block people from getting it out of the library, I prefer this to other methods. Remember, libraries are usually funded based on circulation numbers - so to the members of this church, I say please dive on the public library and borrow a lot of books and media, and make them have it get marked as delinquent and get written off so they can buy more stuff.

So, they're doing a great thing to the library!

daggermoon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 342d

They'll just buy more.

unphazed@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d

So what about the books in their church that teach about murder, rape, incest, etc? Are people encouraged to steal those books from the church?

Doomsider@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d

This is why we can't have nice things.

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d

Organized crime.

firewyre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 339d

Pay taxes.