Say, a Russian dissident went a western country, became a citizen, gave up Russian citizenship, then putin visits, this person gets mad, brings a gun and shoots putin.
What will international relations look like? Since the person is not exactly a native of their adopted country. Lets assume trump wasn't president, what if its a Russian-American? Would the US extradite, or do the trial themselves. Would the headline look like "American Assassinated Putin" or "Russian Dissident Assassinated Putin". Would it cause more or less tensions, than it it had been a non-russian white person being the assassin?
What about like EU countries? Australia? UK?
Or if the visit was in, say, Japan?
35 Comments
un_aristocrate@jlai.lu · 36 pts · 340d
You mean what would happen if for example an Austrian archduke where to be assassinated by a Serb activist whilst visiting Bosnia?
Tja@programming.dev · 11 pts · 339d
Those are all minor countries, I'm sure it would be fine.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 6 pts · 339d
As long as it doesn't come out afterwards that the Crown Prince of Serbia was running the conspiracy with half of his military officers
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 339d
Is that true? I'm woefully undereducated when it comes to the events leading up to WW1
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 2 pts · 338d
Yeah. The actual assassination was performed by members of Young Bosnia, which was a nationalist group that incorporated some anarchist ideas that obviously got them labeled as pure anarchists despite wanting to, you know, create a new state named... Drumroll... Yugoslavia.
The Young Bosnians were funded, helped, and organized by a group called The Black Hand, a Serbian nationalist group composed of various military officers and the crown prince, out to create a Balkan empire dominated by Serbia. Their preferred name for that, btw, is back in style under the Greater Serbia moniker.
The funny thing about the assassination is that it accomplished all the aims of the assassins, namely the destruction of the AHE and creation of a Yugoslavia controlled by the Serbian royal family.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 338d
I vaguely remember this now. Badass name. Thanks for the info.
IWW4@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 336d
We need to start deeper than that. Even if the Arch Duke had not been assassinated WWI would have happened anyway.
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 339d
oh no! here goes Poland
ruuster13@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 340d
Read up on Franz Ferdinand if you want to know how it goes.
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 340d
Spoiler: People die in the aftermath
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 340d
"Nooo you can't just assassinate a politician to trigger a world war that'll leave many people dead"
"Haha, KDR goes brrrr"
💀
(Too dark? sorry but dark humor is my jam)
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 339d
People, and an absolute shit ton of horses
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 338d
Spoiler: a band names themselves after you a hundred years later
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 340d
"American Assassinated Putin" or "Russian Dissident Assassinated Putin"
I think both of these headlines would be printed. Russia would blame US, and US would blame them.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 340d
Four, "High Ranking" Democrat senators might agree to send an email.
db2@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 340d
"Asking for a friend"
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 340d
Um... its for a novel... 👀
(Trust me bro 😉)
db2@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 340d
Is your pen name SWIM?
(Someone Who Isn't Me, for those not familiar with that one)
LemmyThinkAboutThat@lemmy.myserv.one · 4 pts · 340d
Somebody may have already made a movie about your novel.
EDIT:
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Evelyn Salt :::
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 340d
“Well, in that case, let me divulge all of our contingency plans, the exact layout and protocols for accessing camp David and everything else you need. For realism. Just don’t make us look like morons, Kay?”- secret service, maybe
l_isqof@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 340d
Is it called "The Instruction Manual how to Start a World War", by any chance?
Clathrate_Gun@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 340d
Thoughts and prayers
CatpainTypo@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 340d
It would be a gift to whatever country was hosting the shooter. They could disown them completely. Russia in this case would blame the hosting country for not being good enough security wise and there would be a flaming hot discussion. Possibly some level of conflict and then it would die down.
HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 339d
Nah I think if an American killed Putin (ex-Russian or not), all hell would probably break loose
CatpainTypo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 339d
That also is definitely a possibility.
FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website · 10 pts · 340d
Why would they extradite that person? The murder took place in country A and the leader of country B got killed. That's a problem for the courts in country A.
Some countries have a legal proviso that can activate their court system for crimes that didn't happen within their jurisdiction. Some Syrian torturers that ended up fleeing Syria too found themselves in courtrooms in the EU. So if the perpetrator was able to kill leader of B in A but then fled the country, if B somehow got ahold of them, they could prosecute their leader's murder on their own turf. That's assuming they wouldn't just send a hit squad.
All the headlines would just say things along the lines of "B-born naturalized citizen of A killed B leader." I think it's similar to all the al qaeda or IS terrorists who often held passports of the countries they terrorized.
The relations between these countries would obviously be strained. But how strained would depend on more factors. Where did security break down, who fucked up, and how did everyone react to this assassination? If B was indeed Russia and the shooter was Russian-born, you can bet they will come up with a media narrative how the culprit was long sought for gulag internment for their wild ideas but managed to flee from the glorious motherland. And then duped the hapless people of A to give them citizenship, the stupid, naive fools! If only they had listened to us, who are always right, before! Then this tragedy could have been averted.
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 340d
Putin is a war criminal with an arrest warrant by the ICC. He ain't visiting nowhere, apart from shithole countries that aren't part of ICC.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 340d
Like the recent USA trip to Alaska? Or is that your point?
Successful_Try543@feddit.org · 9 pts · 340d
As the US arent part of the ICC, I assume, yes.
hitmyspot@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 340d
Yes, but there were more than one qualifier. Not being signed up to the ICC doesn't automatically make you an shit hole country but many/most countries that aren't are shit hole countries.
ceiphas@feddit.org · 8 pts · 340d
The current USA are the definition of a shit hole...
Droechai@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 339d
Such as the US? Like the OP used the example?
ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 339d
Yes
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 338d
All of the above. Every single group will twist it to suit their needs, but those who control the narrative will ultimately win out
DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 3 pts · 340d
Case by case basis.
So much would depend on the countries involved, and their current relationships.
Let's say it's a former Russian citizen who kills Putin in the USA. The new Russian leader might want to have the killer tried in Russia, or they might want to throw the whole thing to the Americans. Legally, if the murder takes place in the USA, it's the duty of the individual state to deal with it. But if the US President declares it an act of international terrorism, they could push through sending him home.
That's not even getting into how the murder was done. Putin would have his own security team, plus Secret Service protection, so how did the killer get past them? Was there a conspiracy?
There's no single answer possible.