Those who established that separation had lived in a world without it and knew how it negatively affected both the government and the religions. Saying it's not needed shows a combination of ignorance of history and a desire to be the one religious group who gains power over others.
Yes, the founders knew of what they spoke, since The Inquisition was still ongoing in their lifetimes.
There is no way they set up this country as a secular country by accident. Or didn't mention Jesus once in the Constitution as some kind of "oversight", and actually really meant to imply this was a xtian nation, even if the Treaty of Tripoli later spells it out that we are not a xtian nation...
These fucking morons forget that the primary, actual, material reason that the Founding Fathers did the whole... seperation of church and state thing?
Yeah, yeah, it was to prevent the myriad groups of extremist sects of Christianity that comprised the early US... from fucking oppressing and killing each other, via the government.
Remove that seperation, and within half a decade we will literally have Y'all Qaedas for each fucking cult and denomination fire bombing each other, doing mass sectarian violence amongst themselves and those they all view as heretics.
I guess it will be funny(?) if we end up with the Mormon War, round 2.
Sure. And who thought women should vote? Or even have the right to their own bodies? Insane Non-Christian Leftists! Vote for me and we’ll get down to some serious discrimination.
There are approximately 45,000 denominations of xtianity. Even if there were only 45 and not 45 THOUSAND, it would still be a helluva thing to try to figure out why any of the 45 is the right church that should rule over our secular country.
Whole lotta dipshits like to say that yeah, you have freedom "of" religion, not "from" religion. As if one without the other makes any fucking sense whatsoever. This is an actual thing that you will hear adults say, and expect you to accept it as received wisdom and something to take seriously.
They think the Founders intended that you choose from one of several (Protestant) xtian denominations, and that was the sum total of your "religious freedom". That non-xtians should not even be a thing here in the "land of the free", and even if they are, certainly they should not be treated equally with the xtians.
Agree. Pretty sad, really. In the end why does it even matter to them? In their shitty book, the non-believers are judged and sent to hell anyway. Let us go to our final destination in piece, you can keep going to your temple and praying for salvation
Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) says she is “tired” of the long-standing separation between church and state in the U.S., adding that she believes “the church is supposed to direct the government.”
Let that last part sink in. Not only is that so completely bone-headed, given this is a secular nation, but....which fucking church? There are about 45 thousand denominations of xtianity.
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toast@retrolemmy.com · 123 pts · 325d
Yeah, yeah you do.
Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works · 52 pts · 325d
I bet he wants separation of church and state for every religion except one.
FoxyFerengi@startrek.website · 18 pts · 324d
Gotta narrow it down more than that. Can't let Catholics or Mormons slide in on the lawmaking either!
vividspecter@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 324d
Protestant too broad; only this singular evangelical church will be allowed!
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 79 pts · 325d
Those who established that separation had lived in a world without it and knew how it negatively affected both the government and the religions. Saying it's not needed shows a combination of ignorance of history and a desire to be the one religious group who gains power over others.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 324d
Yes, the founders knew of what they spoke, since The Inquisition was still ongoing in their lifetimes.
There is no way they set up this country as a secular country by accident. Or didn't mention Jesus once in the Constitution as some kind of "oversight", and actually really meant to imply this was a xtian nation, even if the Treaty of Tripoli later spells it out that we are not a xtian nation...
RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works · 48 pts · 325d
Only an asshole trying to fist fuck God into politics would say something so stupid
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 38 pts · 324d
These fucking morons forget that the primary, actual, material reason that the Founding Fathers did the whole... seperation of church and state thing?
Yeah, yeah, it was to prevent the myriad groups of extremist sects of Christianity that comprised the early US... from fucking oppressing and killing each other, via the government.
Remove that seperation, and within half a decade we will literally have Y'all Qaedas for each fucking cult and denomination fire bombing each other, doing mass sectarian violence amongst themselves and those they all view as heretics.
I guess it will be funny(?) if we end up with the Mormon War, round 2.
VeryVito@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 325d
We need separation of these idiots from the halls of power.
Furbag@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 325d
The Satanic Temple is thrilled to hear you say that!
hemmes@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 325d
Praise the lord for the Satanic Temple 🙌
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 325d
Pay yo taxes then.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 16 pts · 325d
Uproot religion!
henfredemars@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 325d
I don’t want your Republican Jesus.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 325d
Sure. And who thought women should vote? Or even have the right to their own bodies? Insane Non-Christian Leftists! Vote for me and we’ll get down to some serious discrimination.
Good job NC. You're making SC jealous.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 325d
This means their religion is now of political concern. They forfeit their protections in doing this
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 325d
Explaining to Ayatollah Khomemi that he's going to be hoisted on his own petard
dohpaz42@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 325d
God-fucking-damnit.
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 325d
I think what this indicates is that he doesn’t comprehend what “separation” means in this context. Or “church” for that matter.
Would he really have no issues with the Pope ruling the US by papal decree? Or the king of England (the leader of the Anglican/Episcopalian church)?
RYS@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 325d
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 324d
There are approximately 45,000 denominations of xtianity. Even if there were only 45 and not 45 THOUSAND, it would still be a helluva thing to try to figure out why any of the 45 is the right church that should rule over our secular country.
https://www.christianwebsite.com/how-many-denominations-of-christianity-2024/
lemmylump@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 324d
Fuck You!
Freedom of religion also means FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.
Sanctus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 325d
Did they forget that every time a king changed the kingdom's religion it was convert or die?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 324d
Ok, but your opponents get to decide which church
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 324d
Why is it always the people from religions that diddle children that want no separation
grue@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 325d
And so he reveals himself as an anti-American traitor who deserves to be barred from office. And if the government won't do it, the People must.
Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 325d
Ima run for senate and make the state religion Satanism
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 325d
This is the literally reason people left England for America. Religious Freedom, or from it.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 324d
Whole lotta dipshits like to say that yeah, you have freedom "of" religion, not "from" religion. As if one without the other makes any fucking sense whatsoever. This is an actual thing that you will hear adults say, and expect you to accept it as received wisdom and something to take seriously.
They think the Founders intended that you choose from one of several (Protestant) xtian denominations, and that was the sum total of your "religious freedom". That non-xtians should not even be a thing here in the "land of the free", and even if they are, certainly they should not be treated equally with the xtians.
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 324d
Agree. Pretty sad, really. In the end why does it even matter to them? In their shitty book, the non-believers are judged and sent to hell anyway. Let us go to our final destination in piece, you can keep going to your temple and praying for salvation
Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 324d
Coming from a state that has laws preventing atheists from holding a public office, this is really not surprising.
Ghyste@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 324d
Twatley can blow it out his ass.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 324d
Qbert said the same thing and she is in office.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3540071-boebert-says-she-is-tired-of-separation-between-church-and-state-the-church-is-supposed-to-direct-the-government/
Let that last part sink in. Not only is that so completely bone-headed, given this is a secular nation, but....which fucking church? There are about 45 thousand denominations of xtianity.
TwinTitans@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 325d
Uh yeah. Why? Because people are free to choose any religion they wish and it has no place in politics
Lasherz12@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 324d
Somewhere, the temple of Satan stirs.
RedIce25@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 325d
But isn't that separation baked into their constitution?
grue@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 325d
Yes, which is why this seditious traitor needs to be punished for promising to violate his oath of office before he's even elected.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 324d
Qbert has not been punished yet and she's said this same kind of dipshittery in public. She was quite proud of it, too.
grue@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 324d
Somebody should do something about that, then.