In all honesty, once self driving cars are an actual thing, individual car ownership won't really need to be a thing anymore. Which is great for the environment.
Why is self driving a prerequisite? "Car as a service" is something that already exists. It failed because it needed reserved parking spots (you couldn't just park wherever) and availability was spotty (because of the reserved parking spots).
I'm all in for something like this, but only as a supplement for a strong mass public transportation.
Because the cars wouldn't have to necessarily park in between rides. You would just request a car and the nearest available one would come pick you up.
Once I was passed by a motorbike while on the highway, it must have been around 100 mph while I was at about 60 ... and on top of that, they were doing a "wheelie", meaning that motorbike was basically turned into a unicycle !
Yes, people are crazy like that.
Unfortunately, the Vigoz is not yet available for purchase. Cixi still has to build a working prototype with a production-ready design before manufacturing begins in France. When it finally hits the road, ownership won’t be an option either, as the Vigoz will only be offered on subscription, with prices set once production costs are confirmed.
Confirmed - fuck this business and everything about it.
Pedaling an EV would do almost nothing, right? You'd be contributing 100W to a motor that uses 10,000W. An hour of pedaling would produce 100Wh. That's a tiny amount, like a decent sized power bank. The article says the onboard battery is 22,000Wh.
This seems extremely low for even an EV car at under 8km/kwh. Ebikes can often do 100km/kwh at 32kmh speed. Aptera design can do 16km/kwh with double the battery (and weight of battery). Citroen Ami would be a heavier vehicle, cheaper for being much simpler, and gets 14km/kwh with 1/4 of the battery (but 45kmh top speed). Very surprising their range is that low, and no way it should be.
Covered bikes add a lot of weight and expense, as does tilting. Covered bikes increase drag as well, and reduce range. Most designs will rattle if not "over weighted". Still a roof would allow better weather resistance to outdoor parking. Could hold solar
I still like a pedal system for both speed control and maintaining low speed power contributions with exercise. 70lbs and 30kmh is a limit to where useful contribution can be made, and a winner in this category is going to be something much lighter meant for bike speeds instead of car/motorcycle speeds.
I know a well designed cage would potentially stay intact (smart cars are a good example), but there is no room to dampen the forces applied to the human inside. Even if you can manage to preserve the vehicle frame integrity, the human inside can get pulped. I don't know if it's better or worse than a motorcycle in terms of safety during a wreck, but it's a consideration that would need to be taken if these were to be highway legal.
Is it any different than a motorcycle? The subscription part sounds dumb and the pedaling seems basically useless but safety just seems the same as any old trike
60 Comments
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 105 pts · 344d
Seems like a potentially interesting commuter vehicle...
...never mind.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 344d
"You will own nothing and be thankful for it"
E: still to will
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 344d
In all honesty, once self driving cars are an actual thing, individual car ownership won't really need to be a thing anymore. Which is great for the environment.
alternategait@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 343d
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 342d
And as home batteries.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 343d
That's one hell of an expensive storage solution.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 343d
Why is self driving a prerequisite? "Car as a service" is something that already exists. It failed because it needed reserved parking spots (you couldn't just park wherever) and availability was spotty (because of the reserved parking spots).
I'm all in for something like this, but only as a supplement for a strong mass public transportation.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 343d
Because the cars wouldn't have to necessarily park in between rides. You would just request a car and the nearest available one would come pick you up.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
So.... The worse of private cars+ the worse of taxis+"AI"?
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 343d
How is it the worst of any of that? And I'm not sure why you're assuming AI would be involved.
princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 343d
The self-driving part?
Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
So the car drives itself with... Real Intelligence? Or just heuristic rules? Maybe a driver in Cambodia remote driving?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 343d
So like trains but more expensive and without the walk to the station
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 343d
Not everywhere in the US has access to those.
It's more like self driving taxis.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 342d
There's a huge list of places that aren't in the US though (like, really huge).
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 343d
*if That is just prediction unless youre a time travelver
There are plenty of reason that its an if but hurdles in the tech, alternitives making it irrelevent or polutical hurdles potentially subverting it.
SendMePhotos@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 344d
I would like to build my own car but have no idea where to start.
miguel@fedia.io · 13 pts · 344d
AceBonobo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
Depends on your end goal but I would start by working as an engineer in any sized car company
JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 344d
My my, that first paragraph reads like marketing material straight from Cixi.
The last lines take the cake though. It's not a purchasable good, it's a subscription service.
Leasing a tricycle, what a time to be alive.
Steve@startrek.website · 8 pts · 344d
A lease is an ownership arrangement, at least as much as a mortgage on a house gives you ownership. This is a rental at best.
JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
In theory, yes. Though "leasing" makes for a better joke.
vk6flab@lemmy.radio · 31 pts · 344d
Capable of 120 km/h, that looks like a Darwin Awards preselection tool, rather than a means of transport.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io · 26 pts · 344d
A 75 mph trike sounds... questionable,
vk6flab@lemmy.radio · 14 pts · 344d
I can't wait to see their 100 mph unicycle .. coming soon no doubt.
A_A@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 344d
Once I was passed by a motorbike while on the highway, it must have been around 100 mph while I was at about 60 ... and on top of that, they were doing a "wheelie", meaning that motorbike was basically turned into a unicycle !
Yes, people are crazy like that.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
Every time I see one of those, I say "Meat crayon" out loud. No one else can hear me. It's for my own amusement.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 343d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj08WmiYl1E
Close. You'll have to be way sillier to do hyperbole these days
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 343d
I feel like e-unis (which are real and very fast btw) would actually be safer, at least when it comes to cornering.
Xaphanos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 344d
It's possible...
https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/us/en/models/3-wheel-vehicles/ryker.html
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 343d
I guess you guys don't go to beach towns where every Boomer has a Polaris Slingshot who could not afford a Corvette.
Xaphanos@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
I certainly don't. I didn't know that.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 343d
Bikes are reasonable because they weight next to nothing. This is insane. No reasonable person asked for this. This is tech-bro nonsense.
Alloi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 343d
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 342d
A small hatchback is already very cheap and efficient, electric ones even more so.
I'd be willing to bet the total cost of ownership of a small electric car is way lower than this idiotic thing.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 343d
Lol car subscription
Guidy@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 342d
Confirmed - fuck this business and everything about it.
AceBonobo@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 344d
Pedaling an EV would do almost nothing, right? You'd be contributing 100W to a motor that uses 10,000W. An hour of pedaling would produce 100Wh. That's a tiny amount, like a decent sized power bank. The article says the onboard battery is 22,000Wh.
Xaphanos@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 344d
It seems to me that the pedals are the only throttle control via pedal pressure.
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 343d
I suspect the pedals only really exist to allow you to use bike lanes.
Anivia@feddit.org · 4 pts · 344d
Only 100w sustained for an hour would be pretty embarrassing for an adult, but even with a trained athlete it would be a drop in a bucket at 120km/h
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 343d
This seems extremely low for even an EV car at under 8km/kwh. Ebikes can often do 100km/kwh at 32kmh speed. Aptera design can do 16km/kwh with double the battery (and weight of battery). Citroen Ami would be a heavier vehicle, cheaper for being much simpler, and gets 14km/kwh with 1/4 of the battery (but 45kmh top speed). Very surprising their range is that low, and no way it should be.
Covered bikes add a lot of weight and expense, as does tilting. Covered bikes increase drag as well, and reduce range. Most designs will rattle if not "over weighted". Still a roof would allow better weather resistance to outdoor parking. Could hold solar
I still like a pedal system for both speed control and maintaining low speed power contributions with exercise. 70lbs and 30kmh is a limit to where useful contribution can be made, and a winner in this category is going to be something much lighter meant for bike speeds instead of car/motorcycle speeds.
Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 342d
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T-LegOd8Jxo
Aging Wheels bought Trike, he talks about the pedals
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 342d
Fuck yourself with a bayonet
fubarx@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 344d
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 344d
Now what happens when a 2025 truck hits it.
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org · 6 pts · 344d
The truck driver will know. The thingy driver won't.
onslaught545@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 344d
You'd be surprised at how strong small frames like that can be.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 343d
I know a well designed cage would potentially stay intact (smart cars are a good example), but there is no room to dampen the forces applied to the human inside. Even if you can manage to preserve the vehicle frame integrity, the human inside can get pulped. I don't know if it's better or worse than a motorcycle in terms of safety during a wreck, but it's a consideration that would need to be taken if these were to be highway legal.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 343d
75 mph in a thin can doesn't seem safe.
BussyCat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 343d
Is it any different than a motorcycle? The subscription part sounds dumb and the pedaling seems basically useless but safety just seems the same as any old trike
remon@ani.social · 4 pts · 344d
That's a suicide booth ... on wheels.
DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 343d
The audience? 5 people