My dumb brain interpreted “lying about” in the sense of “with” or “around” and I was momentarily confused by the thought of CK lying with his head resting on a trans person’s chest. I need to get off the internet.
He probably did. You know all the republicans hate most what they can't accept about themselves. Grindr servers crashed in AZ leading up to his memorial.
What I cannot get about this arguement is that it's entirely circular.
We cannot implement gun law because implementing gun law would violate the existing law. Yeah, that's called changing the law. Republicans do it all the time. Often to someone's detriment.
Not a fan, unless you would enjoy to meme on George Floyd in a similar way. (which would be also pretty terrible)
I think this treatment should be reserved for people like Trump. Putin, Health insurance CEOs, who actively have the power and have used it to harm or kill people, as opposed to just being hateful bastards.
Kirk constantly made statements and spread misinformation that is used as justification by others to do immeasurable harm. He's not exempt from blame just because he was too much of a pussy to actually take up the sword himself. He was a piece of shit and his death was a net positive for society as a whole. If media and politicians aren't going to take responsibility to stop amplifying the lies of people like him then this shit is going to keep happening. It's not worth it to fret over a bunch of memes.
George Floyd was murdered by police officers for allegedly trying to use counterfeit money. Charlie Kirk was killed for spreading violent racist rhetoric. Are those comparable situations to you?
A human was murdered by politically motivated people.
I think this aspect of the 2 things makes them comparable for the purposes of deciding if funny memes should be made. yes.
What was political about the murder of George Floyd by a police officer, aside from the response?
Floyd was not murdered for political reasons, unless you're arguing that being black is in itself political. He was murdered by a white cop for the crime of being black and allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill.
Saying Floyd's murder is political is racist, because there is nothing political about petty street crime unless you're racializing the situation. And even then, it's really only political in a post facto sense.
Saying Floyd’s murder is political is racist, because there is nothing political
I think you might be right. My reasoning was that if your political party/orientation includes racism, then this would make this a political reason, but that should probably be counted seperately.
My reasoning was that if your political party/orientation includes racism, then this would make this a political reason
If your political beliefs include racism, you are a racist who uses politics as a weapon. This is post facto rationalizing to give an excuse for racist beliefs and using the political machine to harm people.
There isn't much difference in my mind between people who support racist parties and people like David Duke, the only difference is Duke is willing to be open and honest about his beliefs. And while the party has shunned Duke himself, good luck finding major differences these days.
There are absolutely a fuckstick worth of George Floyd memes out there like this too. I say let people have fun. There are like 8b people on this planet, and far more important people than him are dying, like the people in gaza.
Advocating for a thing to be banned is to advocate for violence against the people who do that thing; the fact that the state does the violent acts doesn't change that.
Charlie Kirk spent a good chunk of his life advocating for the abortion ban which has harmed and killed people. In my book Charlie Kirk is, at least in part, responsible for all that harm. He deserved what he got at least as much as any healthcare CEO.
FWIW I'm not advocating for either Christo-fascist podcasters or healthcare CEOs to be killed. That doesn't mean it can't be funny when it happens, though.
I think the bar for whether or not you should be please about someone's death (note that that's not the same as advocating for it) is whether that person made the world a worse or better place from the point of view of the majority.
With someone like Charlie Kirk it's easy, even by the standards of his own supporters he made the world a worse place because at least some of his supporters will have been hurt and killed by the things he supported and advocated for. After all the shooter could have decided he wanted to shoot up the crowd and in a way it would be Charlie's fault that the shooter was allowed to have a gun without a background check.
I think this treatment should be reserved for people like Trump. Putin, Health insurance CEOs, who actively have the power and have used it to harm or kill people, as opposed to just being hateful bastards.
Yeah, the mouthpiece of the fascists shouldn't be made fun of like the fascists themselves! Propaganda spewers and those who spread hate on their massive platforms don't deserve this!!1!
I hope you can see why your statement is just absolutely laughable.
Sounds like a distinction without a difference. Why is it ok to make fun of the fascist mouthpiece, but not him being turned into a short term and tasteful water display? Why is it not ok to mock the death of a hateful person? Is it because we might make the people who look for literally any reason to be mad, mad? Or is it because we need to give hagiographic praise to the fucking moron who could barely win staged debates against college kids?
I'm not going to pretend swiss cheese Charlie wasn't worth less than a pile of moth old dog turds just because the fuck was murdered. He was a bad person who did bad things and deserves to have his legacy dragged through the dirt.
I think you considerably overestimate his level of influence. Just because Trump's cult isn't letting a good shooting go to waste doesn't mean he was anywhere near as important or influential in life as they are acting like now.
Honestly I'd laugh at both, and then immediately think it's fucked up that I laughed, and that it's in bad taste. Just like this meme, but it's still funny to me.
Dark humour goes both ways, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it.
Kirk was certainly not Putin, I see where you’re coming from. For the most part, Kirk used words like we do here (just with 1mil times the hate and platform size). When Putin uses words people die, directly on his orders, which is why only one of them deserves/ed prison.
The right way to fight Kirk was to obliterate his logic without laying a hand on him. Hateful idiocy is to be overcome by us collectively with our heart & brain, not brawn.
The right way to fight Kirk was to obliterate his logic without laying a hand on him
The 'right way' has been tried for the better part of 20 years. If you think these fucking chuds can be defeated with logic, you're not familiar with conservative media in the slightest.
I'm not advocating for his murder in the slightest, but let's not pretend these people lived in a logical environment.
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Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social · 333 pts · 333d
This shitpost was generated using AI Lemmy:
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 333d
Well, at least you’re calling it out. Neither up nor down for me then.
Rooty@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 333d
AI slop is the proper way of honoring this fuckstick.
Yowhatsup@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 332d
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
burning down a tree isn't the way to go
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 332d
biofuel is rarely used for powering datacenters
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 24 pts · 333d
Literally me right now.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 332d
You got 10 fingers. Hit em both
pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 332d
Explains why the face is too big. A human would have portrayed it more accurately.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 332d
anyone would have made the face smaller. would have been better
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 140 pts · 333d
He died as he lived, dismissing gun violence and lying about trans people. 😔
418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 333d
My dumb brain interpreted “lying about” in the sense of “with” or “around” and I was momentarily confused by the thought of CK lying with his head resting on a trans person’s chest. I need to get off the internet.
hardcoreufo@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 333d
He probably did. You know all the republicans hate most what they can't accept about themselves. Grindr servers crashed in AZ leading up to his memorial.
Sideshow_B00b@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 331d
Sometimes, just sometimes - extremely rarely, ALMOST never - certain gun deaths are indeed ”worth it” as Charlie Kirk said
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 331d
I don't know if I'd classify any gun death as "worth it" in the manner of necessary to secure the "right" to bear arms. "Welcome" on the other hand...
Sideshow_B00b@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 331d
Well said good sir / m’am / other
I was thinking of Bill Burr’s ”sometimes systemic racism just works” bit about Kanye West when I wrote my comment
jmsy@lemmy.world · 109 pts · 333d
My girlfriend had a heavy flow period yesterday. That much blood hasn't gushed from a pussy since Charlie kirk was shot
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 332d
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 332d
Yeah but I’m not shoving my face in Charlie’s neck.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 332d
Why not? Get the right mouthpiece and play him like a tuba
Taldan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 332d
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 332d
baldingpudenda@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 333d
Face too big
Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 333d
Will nobody mention the wrong placement of the checks notes stigmata?
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social · 6 pts · 333d
Oh dear…where is the respect?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
I left it in my pockets and it shrunk in the wash
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 333d
Also feels weird that they don't have him in a T-shirt.
sundray@lemmus.org · 5 pts · 333d
It looks like John Candy and Dave Thomas had a baby.
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social · 4 pts · 333d
Hey, John Candy was a really nice guy.
sundray@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 333d
Agreed! I heard there's a new documentary about him, but I don't know when it's supposed to come out.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 333d
so is Dave Thomas
WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social · 2 pts · 332d
I’ll be honest, I don’t know him.
Edit; I’ve heard of Wendy’s.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 333d
Also doesn't look anything like him.
aggronvation@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 332d
smile needs more gums
beejboytyson@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 332d
He's like 80 percent gum
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 332d
Fair but it's rapidly decreasing
wabafee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 332d
Also 2-3 % lead now.
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 332d
Bro
iswas a Meatcanyon caricatureSideshow_B00b@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 331d
That is so accurate it hurts!
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 332d
We need to implement stronger gum control
alltomorrowsregrets@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 332d
Zink@programming.dev · 9 pts · 332d
It also needs a conical upper jaw, such that the axis of each tooth is pointed at the center of his chin rather than straight down.
Broadfern@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 333d
How disrespectful!
The hole was on the sides, not the front.
EarthshipTechIntern01@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 332d
How about all of the right sides & front?
M137@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 333d
Side*
How did you manage to get that wrong?
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 333d
echodot@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 332d
What I cannot get about this arguement is that it's entirely circular.
We cannot implement gun law because implementing gun law would violate the existing law. Yeah, that's called changing the law. Republicans do it all the time. Often to someone's detriment.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 332d
Face is too proportionate to the head.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 333d
The spout should be off to the right. Otherwise, it’s a great monument to a ventilated meat stick.
fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net · 25 pts · 332d
Face is too large
Rakonat@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 332d
double chin is too small as well.
CostumeWorld@lemmynsfw.com · 24 pts · 332d
My costume this year:
kokesh@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 333d
I said it before and I will say it again here: that face is too big!
ColdWater@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 332d
Finally a good use of ai
hOrni@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 333d
The smile isn't creepy enough.
SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 333d
I would like to piss on his face but I'm afraid people wanna drink water from a fountain 😢
And lovely as my piss is, I dont think people who aren't expecting piss would enjoy it.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 333d
Eh, only people who want anything to do with the water are his fans. Everyone else is gonna piss in it.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 333d
The face needs to be smaller on the head
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 333d
face is too big
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 333d
head is too small.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
tomato tomato
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 332d
💀 I Loled at this so hard, the FBI spy van outside heard it.
JesusTheCarpenter@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 333d
AI slop.
potatopotato@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 333d
I think that's the point in this particular case
bender223@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 332d
Pretty accurate except the head isn't big enough 😛
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 333d
I'll take three!
s@piefed.world · 4 pts · 333d
All memorials of conservatives are a type of fountain by way of being gender neutral bathrooms
waitaminute@midwest.social · 3 pts · 332d
Pp
Sideshow_B00b@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 331d
This looks like a fascist Chris Farley
MangioneDontMiss@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 331d
how dare you.
It looks like Andy Richter.
Sideshow_B00b@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 331d
That is very accurate, just like the shooter. I must concede: you are correct
Free Luigi
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 332d
Tell me I'm crazy...but this reminds me of a standup routine about "tracheotomy [sic] man".
Except I can't find any references to this online. I could've sworn it was some cringe/edgelord comic like Dane Cook or something.
Am I hallucinating?
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 332d
Maybe Denis Leary?
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 332d
Yep. That's the guy.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 333d
EarthshipTechIntern01@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
And it should be made of lead. You know, like Romans used to drink from.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 333d
I hope Oklahoma or whichever backwater hick buttfuck state installs these in every campus. Love to see it.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 332d
Needs a blowtorch
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · -29 pts · 333d
Not a fan, unless you would enjoy to meme on George Floyd in a similar way. (which would be also pretty terrible)
I think this treatment should be reserved for people like Trump. Putin, Health insurance CEOs, who actively have the power and have used it to harm or kill people, as opposed to just being hateful bastards.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 23 pts · 333d
Kirk constantly made statements and spread misinformation that is used as justification by others to do immeasurable harm. He's not exempt from blame just because he was too much of a pussy to actually take up the sword himself. He was a piece of shit and his death was a net positive for society as a whole. If media and politicians aren't going to take responsibility to stop amplifying the lies of people like him then this shit is going to keep happening. It's not worth it to fret over a bunch of memes.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · -9 pts · 333d
Probably true, but I felt like mentioning it.
barooboodoo@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 333d
George Floyd was murdered by police officers for allegedly trying to use counterfeit money. Charlie Kirk was killed for spreading violent racist rhetoric. Are those comparable situations to you?
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · -13 pts · 333d
A human was murdered by politically motivated people.
I think this aspect of the 2 things makes them comparable for the purposes of deciding if funny memes should be made. yes.
Otherwise? Absolutely not comparable.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 333d
What was political about the murder of George Floyd by a police officer, aside from the response?
Floyd was not murdered for political reasons, unless you're arguing that being black is in itself political. He was murdered by a white cop for the crime of being black and allegedly passing a counterfeit $20 bill.
Saying Floyd's murder is political is racist, because there is nothing political about petty street crime unless you're racializing the situation. And even then, it's really only political in a post facto sense.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 331d
I think you might be right. My reasoning was that if your political party/orientation includes racism, then this would make this a political reason, but that should probably be counted seperately.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
If your political beliefs include racism, you are a racist who uses politics as a weapon. This is post facto rationalizing to give an excuse for racist beliefs and using the political machine to harm people.
There isn't much difference in my mind between people who support racist parties and people like David Duke, the only difference is Duke is willing to be open and honest about his beliefs. And while the party has shunned Duke himself, good luck finding major differences these days.
Grimy@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 333d
George Floyd was not killed for his political opinion. George Floyd was a state sanctioned killing by police officers. They are fuck all alike.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 331d
I meant that the police officers were the ones motivated by political position, i.e. right-wing racism.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 332d
CrayonDevourer@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 333d
There are absolutely a fuckstick worth of George Floyd memes out there like this too. I say let people have fun. There are like 8b people on this planet, and far more important people than him are dying, like the people in gaza.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · -3 pts · 333d
true.
svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 333d
Advocating for a thing to be banned is to advocate for violence against the people who do that thing; the fact that the state does the violent acts doesn't change that.
Charlie Kirk spent a good chunk of his life advocating for the abortion ban which has harmed and killed people. In my book Charlie Kirk is, at least in part, responsible for all that harm. He deserved what he got at least as much as any healthcare CEO.
FWIW I'm not advocating for either Christo-fascist podcasters or healthcare CEOs to be killed. That doesn't mean it can't be funny when it happens, though.
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 332d
I think the bar for whether or not you should be please about someone's death (note that that's not the same as advocating for it) is whether that person made the world a worse or better place from the point of view of the majority.
With someone like Charlie Kirk it's easy, even by the standards of his own supporters he made the world a worse place because at least some of his supporters will have been hurt and killed by the things he supported and advocated for. After all the shooter could have decided he wanted to shoot up the crowd and in a way it would be Charlie's fault that the shooter was allowed to have a gun without a background check.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 333d
Yeah, the mouthpiece of the fascists shouldn't be made fun of like the fascists themselves! Propaganda spewers and those who spread hate on their massive platforms don't deserve this!!1!
I hope you can see why your statement is just absolutely laughable.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 331d
It's not the point that **he **is made fun of, but that his murder is made fun of.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 331d
Sounds like a distinction without a difference. Why is it ok to make fun of the fascist mouthpiece, but not him being turned into a short term and tasteful water display? Why is it not ok to mock the death of a hateful person? Is it because we might make the people who look for literally any reason to be mad, mad? Or is it because we need to give hagiographic praise to the fucking moron who could barely win staged debates against college kids?
I'm not going to pretend swiss cheese Charlie wasn't worth less than a pile of moth old dog turds just because the fuck was murdered. He was a bad person who did bad things and deserves to have his legacy dragged through the dirt.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 331d
definitely not that. I don't know. I think it is one thing to make fun of his demise, and another to make fun of his being murdered.
Maybe it was only the specific, and graphic picture that i found objectionable.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 333d
it's Goebbels lite.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · -4 pts · 333d
That could be an unfortunate consequence of this whole thing.
We are cursed to live in interesting times.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 333d
wht could be an unfortunate consequence? Charlie Kirk was Goebbels lite, and he's dead. He deserves this treatment.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 332d
I think you considerably overestimate his level of influence. Just because Trump's cult isn't letting a good shooting go to waste doesn't mean he was anywhere near as important or influential in life as they are acting like now.
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 331d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst-Wessel-Lied
wizblizz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 332d
Hard disagree. Those that propagate and spread hate are just as culpable.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social · 4 pts · 333d
Honestly I'd laugh at both, and then immediately think it's fucked up that I laughed, and that it's in bad taste. Just like this meme, but it's still funny to me.
Dark humour goes both ways, if you can dish it out you should be able to take it.
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 332d
He literally said that people dying as a result of gun violence is no reason to regulate gun ownership. I suppose in a way he died for his beliefs.
Like most conservatives he's only a fan of freedom when it doesn't personally affect him.
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 331d
Kirk supported what had happened to him.
parody@lemmings.world · 0 pts · 333d
Kirk was certainly not Putin, I see where you’re coming from. For the most part, Kirk used words like we do here (just with 1mil times the hate and platform size). When Putin uses words people die, directly on his orders, which is why only one of them deserves/ed prison.
The right way to fight Kirk was to obliterate his logic without laying a hand on him. Hateful idiocy is to be overcome by us collectively with our heart & brain, not brawn.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 333d
The 'right way' has been tried for the better part of 20 years. If you think these fucking chuds can be defeated with logic, you're not familiar with conservative media in the slightest.
I'm not advocating for his murder in the slightest, but let's not pretend these people lived in a logical environment.