As a short black man, I have experienced all levels imaginable of disrespect and trauma, so I don't think that I want to have to tell to my kid. "Yeah, I hated my life, but I am bringing you here to deal with all these crackers so maybe your generation can keep making things better."
The fewer people born now, the fewer people will be left without resources in the already beginning climate apocalypse.
I don't fault people who do have kids, but I don't think that declining birth rate is a problem. In my experience people who are concerned about that are usually racists who are concerned about their particular race declining in percentage of the global population.
A fertility of 1.5 is a crisis for capitalism, but it's a manageable for society. Every class of school children is 75% of the previous generation.
Fertility of 1 means each generation is half the size of the previous one. That's a challenge to maintaining civilization, not just profits. A
Fertility of .7 every generation is 35% the size of the previous.
I'm not saying we have to fuck to save the species, but the doomsayers are not entirely wrong. There will be challenges.
Social security programs are predicated on a large labor force providing for a smaller retired population.
These programs don’t work if you have an inverted pyramid.
It’s not just capitalism that’s threatened. Not the economic growth… but the entire concept of work and social programs. Socialism has these issues as well
That's not really true, if the working population is productive enough, then socialism can work. Capitalism allows for growth based on profitability not usefulness to society. Now I love sports, but what if the billions of dollar's that went to pro and college sports were instead just directed into social programs. You don't need a larger younger generation, just better prioritization of resources
Capitalists want cheap labor, and the more people competing for jobs the cheaper the labor. When people stop being expendable suddenly union busting won't be a viable option anymore.
I grew up in a big family where I did a ton of parenting without my consent (nor my own desire to do so) and therefore as an adult I am more than glad to have all my time, money, and space to myself. Children are work and often ungrateful, rude, pains in the ass.
I can't imagine not wanting kids on the contrary. I guess I'm the minority. Feels like a wonderful privilege to be able to make a copy of yourself with someone you love.
Until last child is adopted, people shouldn't make any more children. And even if that happens, it's better to help existing children with your spare time and money, instead of creating new ones.
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Deflated0ne@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 342d
Can't afford them even if I did want them. Which I don't.
It is the height of cruelty to bring a child into a world that doesn't have a future.
Confidant6198@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 342d
As a short black man, I have experienced all levels imaginable of disrespect and trauma, so I don't think that I want to have to tell to my kid. "Yeah, I hated my life, but I am bringing you here to deal with all these crackers so maybe your generation can keep making things better."
Also, yeah, I don't have the money for them.
Qkall@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 342d
brown man chiming in ... yes, this .
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 342d
The fewer people born now, the fewer people will be left without resources in the already beginning climate apocalypse.
I don't fault people who do have kids, but I don't think that declining birth rate is a problem. In my experience people who are concerned about that are usually racists who are concerned about their particular race declining in percentage of the global population.
JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 342d
Every argument ive ever gotten against a negative birth rate clutching pearls "BUUT MUH CAPATLAISM CAN'T SURVIVE ON A NEGATIVE BIRTH RATE"
Me: ".....and?"
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 342d
Oh, true, I forgot about the people with a fetish for economic growth. That's another one. Still an equally shit reason, though.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 341d
A fertility of 1.5 is a crisis for capitalism, but it's a manageable for society. Every class of school children is 75% of the previous generation.
Fertility of 1 means each generation is half the size of the previous one. That's a challenge to maintaining civilization, not just profits. A Fertility of .7 every generation is 35% the size of the previous.
I'm not saying we have to fuck to save the species, but the doomsayers are not entirely wrong. There will be challenges.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 339d
Youre not wrong, but there are challenges to a growing population. More i would say.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 339d
Sure, but from the ruling class perspective those challenges have been solved.
The issue with a falling population is it fucks with the money. That means the money will fuck with us back.
Bldck@beehaw.org · 0 pts · 342d
Social security programs are predicated on a large labor force providing for a smaller retired population.
These programs don’t work if you have an inverted pyramid.
It’s not just capitalism that’s threatened. Not the economic growth… but the entire concept of work and social programs. Socialism has these issues as well
queermunist@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 341d
This is misleading. The government prints money, they can bail out social security whenever they want.
JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 341d
That's not really true, if the working population is productive enough, then socialism can work. Capitalism allows for growth based on profitability not usefulness to society. Now I love sports, but what if the billions of dollar's that went to pro and college sports were instead just directed into social programs. You don't need a larger younger generation, just better prioritization of resources
Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 341d
Capitalists too.
Capitalists want cheap labor, and the more people competing for jobs the cheaper the labor. When people stop being expendable suddenly union busting won't be a viable option anymore.
oplkill@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 342d
PiraHxCx@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 341d
maximumbird@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 341d
Could change things if the dating scene wasn’t such a joke because of all these stupid dating apps. Amongst the political climate here.
Things are not in favor of people wanting to have kids.
Confidant6198@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 341d
I think you meant to say “wasn’t”
maximumbird@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 341d
Good catch, thank you.
Fixed
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 341d
I grew up in a big family where I did a ton of parenting without my consent (nor my own desire to do so) and therefore as an adult I am more than glad to have all my time, money, and space to myself. Children are work and often ungrateful, rude, pains in the ass.
hereforawhile@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 341d
I can't imagine not wanting kids on the contrary. I guess I'm the minority. Feels like a wonderful privilege to be able to make a copy of yourself with someone you love.
limer@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 341d
Mine are grown up. I had fun being a single dad. Would I have more? Yes, of course!
But I have noticed a trend in people their age.
I think many be partially caused by a decline of support systems and family structures , and a collapse of person to person socialization.
dragospirvu75@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 341d
Until last child is adopted, people shouldn't make any more children. And even if that happens, it's better to help existing children with your spare time and money, instead of creating new ones.
thelonious_consoomer@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 342d