I'm old enough to remember both Iraq wars and 9/11 and the associated politics in detail the two subjects are very intertwined in the collective American memory.
But I want to hear specifically why people in 2025 think this.
The second line of the article really sums it up from my perspective. "President George W. Bush was obsessed with the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and deliberately misled the American people about who was responsible for the 9/11 attack."
I was curious how the nebulous connection between Iraq and Afghanistan was perceived by those who weren't as aware of the older Bush's history in the area. In the hours following 9/11, a common question among my peers was "How will this be twisted into us going into Iraq?"
But also avoid lying on your back if you snore and you'll die early if you sleep on your stomach and if you don't change positions several times a night, there might be something wrong or maybe it's just your mattress that is too soft or too hard and btw if you ever even catch a glimpse of blue light, you will never ever sleep well at all anyway so there's no point in anything in any case.
If you snore badly enough, you’re not sleeping. You just close your eyes and effectively hold your breath between gasps of air.
I wasn’t breathing for 40 seconds every minute. 10+ hours of sleep and woke up dead tired.
With the CPAP I get 5-6 hours and wake up fully rested. Worth the pain of figuring out which mask didn’t make me feel like choking (it was the nasal one)
A lot of people can get used to it. I actually can't sleep without it now, and I use the full face model. It's almost comforting now. That said, some people truly cannot get used to a full face mask. If it's an option, they do make nasal masks (only covers your nose) and nasal pillows (kind of just rests under your nose.)
I've heard there are even more cutting edge options out there but I never looked into them since I'm fine with what I have, but it's definitely worth doing some research about. Quality sleep really can be life changing if it's achievable.
I would put on my mask a hour before I would even try to sleep just to get use to it. It took me abot 6 months to really get use to it. Now I gave a hard time sleeping without it on.
Took me a full year, and I still get panic attacks sometimes when I put it on, but honestly you can do it if you need to. Go see a sleep doc. I was terrified, but I discovered after I got the thing how tired I really was (and I already thought I was pretty tired!)
Yeah, when I started working 3rd shift, people suggested I get an eye mask to help my sleep in daylight. Took me forever to fall asleep, then I would wake in a panic about 5 minutes later because there was "something crawling on my face"...
Room darkening curtains and double shift exhaustion solved my sleep issues, lol. I also learned about biphasic sleep, and I'm a lot more productive.
It legitimately took me a full year to get used to it. I still have a panic attack every once in a while when putting it on and have to walk around for a few minutes before bed. Anyone can get used to it if you need to.
A friend visited for a few days. He left his face-hugger at home.
His sleep was awful. Sounded like he was fighting with people.
He looked worse and worse. By the time he left, I think he was in dire need of a full sleep.
It was gross. Stop doing coke, Keith. At least he's lost some weight since then. Its probly the coke tho ...
I just sleep on the floor rolled up in a giant blanket like a caterpillar in a cocoon. I have no idea why, but it works for me. Mattresses always hurt my back.
You and me both; the advice that worked ok for me is a pillow between the legs and proper placement under the head that keeps everything level.
They also suggested we get the softer mattresses, since we want a little extra dip for the shoulders and hips. That advice is a mixed bag, though, as I still get shoulder pain. Might be the cheap foam, though.
I got very lucky and found the perfect mattress for this, it has a softer exterior layer (about 5-6cm of cheapo smartphoam) and something tougher at its core, perfect balance between smushy enough to accommodate an elbow, firm enough to keep things tidy. No-name mattress from an Ikea knock-off, it was a steal.
Struggling with pillows, though... Still haven't managed to find something which works for me... Plenty of blankets to wrangle with my legs, so there's that, at least.
I like to cross my arms across my chest, as well. If it's good enough for vampires and pharaohs, it's good enough for me. I have scared the shit out of several roommates, though..i
Yes, but you sleep best in a confortable and not forced position. Back/neck pain is the result of an forced position which not change in the hours of sleep. There isn't any pain when you are confortable in a not too old and good mattress
The best defense against an achy neck or back in the morning is to sleep just like you stand, says Ellen Wermter, a nurse practitioner who runs Restorative Sleep Medicine, a sleep clinic in Virginia. When you sleep in a position that follows the natural curvature of your spine, it reduces the possibility of muscle strain.
While lying down, your body should form a straight line from the top of your head to your tailbone. Wermter suggests placing your ears over your shoulders and your shoulders over your hips. Point your chin straight ahead, not tucked into your chest or stretched up toward the sky. Aim for symmetry with your arms for proper circulation.
For more tips on how to minimize body aches in the morning, read our story: https://n.pr/42mJ64J
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psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 109 pts · 315d
Is this Saddam Hussein
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 36 pts · 315d
Yeah OP missed a perfect opportunity
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 315d
hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 315d
With respect:
Why is 9/11 associated with Saddam jokes?
I'm old enough to remember both Iraq wars and 9/11 and the associated politics in detail the two subjects are very intertwined in the collective American memory.
But I want to hear specifically why people in 2025 think this.
bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 315d
It kicked off another series of stupidity wars that also happened to end up knocking Saddam out of power would be my takeaway
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 7 pts · 315d
hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 315d
The second line of the article really sums it up from my perspective. "President George W. Bush was obsessed with the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and deliberately misled the American people about who was responsible for the 9/11 attack."
I was curious how the nebulous connection between Iraq and Afghanistan was perceived by those who weren't as aware of the older Bush's history in the area. In the hours following 9/11, a common question among my peers was "How will this be twisted into us going into Iraq?"
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 314d
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 100 pts · 315d
But also avoid lying on your back if you snore and you'll die early if you sleep on your stomach and if you don't change positions several times a night, there might be something wrong or maybe it's just your mattress that is too soft or too hard and btw if you ever even catch a glimpse of blue light, you will never ever sleep well at all anyway so there's no point in anything in any case.
socsa@piefed.social · 19 pts · 315d
I legit cannot sleep on my back these days because I will wake myself snoring.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 315d
CPAP.
You need a CPAP.
socsa@piefed.social · 20 pts · 315d
It turns out I also cannot sleep with things strapped to my face.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 315d
If you snore badly enough, you’re not sleeping. You just close your eyes and effectively hold your breath between gasps of air.
I wasn’t breathing for 40 seconds every minute. 10+ hours of sleep and woke up dead tired.
With the CPAP I get 5-6 hours and wake up fully rested. Worth the pain of figuring out which mask didn’t make me feel like choking (it was the nasal one)
other_cat@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 315d
A lot of people can get used to it. I actually can't sleep without it now, and I use the full face model. It's almost comforting now. That said, some people truly cannot get used to a full face mask. If it's an option, they do make nasal masks (only covers your nose) and nasal pillows (kind of just rests under your nose.)
I've heard there are even more cutting edge options out there but I never looked into them since I'm fine with what I have, but it's definitely worth doing some research about. Quality sleep really can be life changing if it's achievable.
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 315d
I would put on my mask a hour before I would even try to sleep just to get use to it. It took me abot 6 months to really get use to it. Now I gave a hard time sleeping without it on.
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 315d
Took me a full year, and I still get panic attacks sometimes when I put it on, but honestly you can do it if you need to. Go see a sleep doc. I was terrified, but I discovered after I got the thing how tired I really was (and I already thought I was pretty tired!)
ouRKaoS@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 315d
Yeah, when I started working 3rd shift, people suggested I get an eye mask to help my sleep in daylight. Took me forever to fall asleep, then I would wake in a panic about 5 minutes later because there was "something crawling on my face"...
Room darkening curtains and double shift exhaustion solved my sleep issues, lol. I also learned about biphasic sleep, and I'm a lot more productive.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 315d
If I'd ever need one of those, I'd be screwed because I too can't sleep with anything on my face
ilinamorato@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 315d
It legitimately took me a full year to get used to it. I still have a panic attack every once in a while when putting it on and have to walk around for a few minutes before bed. Anyone can get used to it if you need to.
don@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 315d
Same. That others can absolutely baffles me.
dbtng@eviltoast.org · 6 pts · 315d
A friend visited for a few days. He left his face-hugger at home.
His sleep was awful. Sounded like he was fighting with people.
He looked worse and worse. By the time he left, I think he was in dire need of a full sleep.
It was gross. Stop doing coke, Keith. At least he's lost some weight since then. Its probly the coke tho ...
Zkuld@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 312d
Yes it's all very serious. Also our ancestors never slept since they didn't have high-tech mattresses.
ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org · 35 pts · 315d
Meanwhile me on my couch 🍤
Venator@lemmy.nz · 14 pts · 315d
meanwhile me standing: 🦐
Sparkles@fedia.io · 22 pts · 315d
I just sleep on the floor rolled up in a giant blanket like a caterpillar in a cocoon. I have no idea why, but it works for me. Mattresses always hurt my back.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 13 pts · 315d
Sparkles@fedia.io · 2 pts · 315d
I honestly did not know this. I alternate between horrible hip and shoulder pain, until I go back to the cocoon.
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 315d
smh@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 315d
I remember asking my dad to cocoon me in blankets as a kid. It was wicked comfy.
Nowadays I'm in a hammock. It's way more comfy on my hips than a mattress and it gives me that happy cuddled feeling.
Sparkles@fedia.io · 4 pts · 315d
Never thought of a hammock. I’ll put that in my back pocket for when I have more space.
dbtng@eviltoast.org · 3 pts · 315d
That hammock sounds definitive "cocoon".
You gonna wake up with wings one day?
Sparkles@fedia.io · 3 pts · 315d
We should get to for what we have to deal with just sleeping comfortably.
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 315d
Why do we never play nightcrawlers anymore?
Battle_Masker@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 315d
"straight line" the acticle says as its graphic shows a line as straight as Jim Parsons
Triumph@fedia.io · 19 pts · 315d
Bringing my terrible standing posture into sleeping positions sounds brilliant.
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de · 17 pts · 315d
I love how absolutely nothing in these "straight pose" diagrams is ever straight.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 315d
Gay pose diagram.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 315d
I'm a side sleeper. Guess I'm doomed.
taiyang@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 315d
You and me both; the advice that worked ok for me is a pillow between the legs and proper placement under the head that keeps everything level.
They also suggested we get the softer mattresses, since we want a little extra dip for the shoulders and hips. That advice is a mixed bag, though, as I still get shoulder pain. Might be the cheap foam, though.
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 315d
I got very lucky and found the perfect mattress for this, it has a softer exterior layer (about 5-6cm of cheapo smartphoam) and something tougher at its core, perfect balance between smushy enough to accommodate an elbow, firm enough to keep things tidy. No-name mattress from an Ikea knock-off, it was a steal.
Struggling with pillows, though... Still haven't managed to find something which works for me... Plenty of blankets to wrangle with my legs, so there's that, at least.
harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 315d
I like to cross my arms across my chest, as well. If it's good enough for vampires and pharaohs, it's good enough for me. I have scared the shit out of several roommates, though..i
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 12 pts · 315d
That looks deeply uncomfortable, but alright.
And009@lemmynsfw.com · 9 pts · 314d
Saddam Hussain?
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz · 9 pts · 315d
How can people sleep on their back without suffocating when they wake up ?
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 315d
Why would you suffocate? Do you have untreated severe sleep apnea?
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 315d
Idk, I just wake up, can't move (somehow I don't have the "strength" to do so) and can barely breath
I just assumed it was this way for everyone
Everything's fine if I sleep on my side
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 315d
It is not this way for everyone. I'm not a doctor but it sounds like you have sleep paralysis.
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 315d
Maybe ?
I feel 100% awake and don't have hallucinations.
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 315d
I don't think hallucinations happen for everyone with sleep paralysis
pipe01@programming.dev · 2 pts · 313d
Yeah that's not normal lol
Vanth@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 315d
Having something under my lower back sounds awful. Head and knees, yes, but back?
blackbrook@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 315d
Maybe if it was a small enough pillow? That picture looks exaggerated. Their ears certainly aren't what I would call over their shoulders.
Eq0@literature.cafe · 4 pts · 315d
I used for a bit a tiny pillow under my lower back to ease back pain. It has to be the right size, otherwise it makes it worse
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 315d
Yes, but you sleep best in a confortable and not forced position. Back/neck pain is the result of an forced position which not change in the hours of sleep. There isn't any pain when you are confortable in a not too old and good mattress
taiyang@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 315d
My favorite part of these comments are the number of people coming to the realization they may have sleep apnea, lol
ryedaft@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 315d
This is too hot. Pillow too hot and now you have three pillows and two of them are under the covers.
Hackworth@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 315d
Trill88@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 315d
Sounds miserable
idiomaddict@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 315d
I just sleep like I’m a freeze frame of the party boy dance on my face
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 315d
ITT everyone ridiculing what has always been the exact truth for my sleeping.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 315d
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falseWhite@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 315d