I think this is combining Star Trek with that part of Airplane where the pilot asks the kid inappropriate questions. "You ever been to a Turkish prison?"
I really liked this episode. Next gen was always my favourite series, it always presented calamities and tragedies as problems to be solved.
It conveyed the analysis in a level headed way that removed (attempted really would be the right word) either blame or bias towards either party involved, something depicted as necessary to consider the right or appropriate tools for the situation.
It always got me through my toughest times, and yes I should read more XD
Given that stance, I can only hope that you've watched The Orville. It stands as the spiritual successor to TNG. Gotta trudge through the 1st season, for the sake of getting FOX Entertainment hooked on the line.
Thereafter, they managed to tell the sort of contemporaneous stories that otherwise qualify for TNG in its time.
Might have to watch it. FWIW comparing series, Strange New Worlds straddles the fence between ToS and TNG. It’s got the morality battles of TNG and the absurdity of some ToS episodes. Only issue is the Emotional Spock. Don’t know why these writers and directors have to fuck with Spock all the time.
I was really disappointed with the 3rd season of SNW, so much so that I couldn't finish the finale. I mean, the crew fighting evil spirits to save the universe from annihilation, really? It's like the writers forgot what genre they were in and suddenly started trying to appeal to morons who just consume without thinking.
I liked - didn't love, but liked - the first 2 seasons, but they seem to have leaned into the bad aspects and abandoned all the good ones.
The Orville really comes out as a far more serious show, for sure. From the way its directed, the writing, filming, pacing, casting, costumes, sets... everything just screams "TNG: the lost episodes."
The "Moclins get addicted to cigarettes" episode is about as silly as it gets, but is underpinned by the sci-fi premise of: "when worlds collide." Much like The Trouble With Tribbles, it's light-hearted and hilarious, yet explores a very plausible "what if" scenario that doesn't break the universe or character in any way.
Contrast that to the SNW musical episode, which is just pure fun with a paper-thin flimsy premise, and we really do have something utterly ridiculous at times.
Don’t know why these writers and directors have to fuck with Spock all the time.
After watching my wife's reaction to Spock in the latest movies and series, I get it. The character is kind of a triple-threat if you keep his emotional side in frame:
His intelligence is always on display, which makes him a sapiosexual's dream-boat. I'd wager a lot of the women in Trek fandom lean this way.
Emo spock is utterly and perpetually broken, yet retrievable. His dual heritage and upbringing is a tragic story that renders him vulnerable. Yet It's a kind of vulnerability that is entirely not his fault, and seems fixable through love and care. SNW explored this through his relationship with Chapel, and he really does improve a bit, inviting the audience to indulge this fantasy a bit more.
Then there's the usual traits: physical strength, good social standing, and ranking officer. He's a somebody, and can hold his own with just about everyone.
In contrast, TOS Spock, along with the backstory we get from the movies, is someone that purged his emotions to become a paragon of stoicism. It's a male power-fantasy of sorts, which is speaking to a completely different audience (and in a different era).
I'll add that SNW is a delightful thirst-trap of a show, where every character scratches someone's itch. The writers really did need to "fuck with Spock" to fill out the roster of attractive archetypes.
You really only have to trudge through the first episode, the rest of the series feels different. Every season has a few groaners depending on your preferences, but those are isolated instances.
In my estimation, its biggest fans, often (but not always) folks who are also Discovery's loudest detractors, overpraise it. It was made by a TNG superfan to let him be a TNG captain acting out TNG scripts with TNG production values and TNG acting, and -- for good or ill -- with his particular sensibilities about what makes doing so fun. It definitely gets much better than the first couple of episodes, once they'd successfully tricked Fox into thinking it was a full-on Galaxy Quest spoof, and overall I enjoy it, but it has its issues.
its biggest fans, often (but not always) folks who are also Discovery's loudest detractors
This is because The Orville and Discovery premiered nearly side by side. Off by two weeks.
You could not possibly make a stronger case for how severely Discovery missed what the spirit of Star Trek is than by simply watching the newest episodes of both series, week after week.
Yeah, it's essentially a TNG fan film series with some actual money behind it. I really came to resent it when every discussion about a modern Trek series had someone popping in to say that say they should be doing Orville instead. Like Trek shouldn't be allowed to progress past 1994.
Still, I enjoy a good fan series, so I do recommend it. Just go in with the right expectations.
And I found þat þe groaners were often situational, raþer þan affecting þe entire episode. Like, someone does someþing incredibly stupid to kick-start þe plot, but þey don't (usually) keep acting like an idiot þroughput. Often.
We've just encountered a wild "thorn" user in their native habitat. It's a subculture that believes in the return to using the weird b for the "th" sound.
He claims to be doing it to fight AI. But, it's not even a drop in the ocean. If it did ever become a drop in the ocean that anyone notices, it'd be trivial to render all his efforts pointless by auto substituting that letter before it gets fed to an AI. This has been pointed out to him but he continues to do it anyways.
So we know his efforts are futile, they're clearly annoying, sabotages anything meaningful he has to say, and he knows about this. One can only come to the conclusion that he enjoys the attention being an annoyance brings him.
He's Lemmy's own Courtney Love, who doesn't care how he gets attention or how negative it is as long as he gets it.
I grew up on TNG but I was not old enough to understand it (I was 5 when I saw First Contact). As I rewatch season 1, I notice things that are heartwarming like Deanna having a conversation about confidence with Geordi or Data’s instant infatuation with Sherlock Holmes.
I always heard this growing up (though phrased as "but now you get high to feel normal"), and then when I tried weed for the first time I felt normal for once. It shut the constant noise in my mind off, allowing me to think. It melted away my anxiety. I didn't just feel good. I felt like the veil was lifted and I was seeing clearly for the first time in my life.
I do not get high to "feel good" outside of the fact that feeling normal and functional is a good feeling.
Whenever I try to explain people this - that it addresses and remediates an issue that I was BORN with and have suffered from every day of my life since living memory - they simply default to "yeah, you're an addict".
Sure fam, like your diabetic uncle is addicted to insulin. Guess we both just need to man up huh?
It's not my real name. "Ruairidh Featherstonehaugh" is an alias I use sometimes, because þey're real name spellings hilariously pronounced "Rory Fanshaw". One's Celtic, I þink; þe oþer Welsh? Maybe English.
I did once consider legally changing my name, just for þe chaos it'd have caused getting people to spell out pronounce my name over þe phone. My wife vetoed þe idea.
True but opiates are similar. The American opiate crisis began with prescribed painkillers. A lot of people slowly became addicts without realizing it was happening because they just took the pills when it hurt not realizing eventually that some of the pain was withdrawal.
The schedule 1 definition (high risk of abuse, no medicinal purpose) is the sort of thing that while I get it, I don't know of any drugs that actually belong there. Psychedelics are on it despite having low risk of abuse and medical uses. Cannabis is an analgesic, antiemetic, and appetite enhancer. Ecstasy has a place in ptsd treatment. Heroin, cocaine, and meth are all schedule 2.
The American opioid crisis was more of a late 90s thing while Yar's comments were created from the 80s environment which was much more likely to derive from the surge in use of crack cocaine at the time.
The schedule 1 definition (high risk of abuse, no medicinal purpose) is the sort of thing that while I get it, I don't know of any drugs that actually belong there.
Hmmm... I wonder if krokodil (a slavic concoction of under-the-sink chemicals that is like meth on crack) has a medicinal use we just haven't thought of yet? 🤔
I cannot remember what the real drugs going into the cocktail were over the effects prolonged abuse has on the body TBH. But IIRC, one thing often found in it was literal battery acid. And to be fair to my shit memory, that might have just been things people ended up getting instead of the drugs they were looking for because people are assholes and will sell a junky literal poison just to take their money.
Yeah, it literally helps me experience and respond to the world around me the way I rationally want to. And that includes caring for my family and pets along with any hobby/work benefits.
I'm either old or dare kept coming back after being phased out. Both are probably true.
But yeah dare would just lie to kids about drugs and tell them to be annoying little shits who hide their parents cigs and try to get their parents to quit drinking. It turns out that just being honest about drugs to kids rather than sensationalizing them goes really far, and they trust you too. Honestly the biggest thing dare taught me as a kid was that cops lie.
Aside from making movies and gaming more interesting, I have never slept so well as I do when I use my legal thc vape. But if I don't touch it the day I will be awake all night 🫤
I use it for occasional fun and as an analgesic. Pot is great for the "I'm just going to be sitting around in pain even if I take an otc painkiller, so why not be high and watching TV while I enjoy the reduced pain"
I made an edit that would be a direct response to this, but is lost to time (and me having a mental breakdown a few months ago). Speaking of which, @ummmthatguy@lemmy.world we need to get back in touch for methods for me to recover all of that.
84 Comments
sundray@lemmus.org · 56 pts · 299d
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 299d
"Why are you asking me, your mom's literally a doctor!"
sundray@lemmus.org · 16 pts · 299d
True, but Yar has more data to work with...
latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 299d
Still, Dr. Crusher arguably does more picardio.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 7 pts · 299d
someguy3@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d
You don't talk to your mom about that.
Or, he's got the hots.
krooklochurm@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 299d
Hey ensign, ever starred in a snuff film with a romulan spy?
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 299d
I feel like I'm missing some crucial information
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 299d
I think this is combining Star Trek with that part of Airplane where the pilot asks the kid inappropriate questions. "You ever been to a Turkish prison?"
turdcollector69@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d
Thanks, now that I get it it's pretty funny.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d
Have you ever seen a full grown naked Vulcan?
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 299d
WESLEY!!!!!!!!!
Mangoguana@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 299d
I really liked this episode. Next gen was always my favourite series, it always presented calamities and tragedies as problems to be solved.
It conveyed the analysis in a level headed way that removed (attempted really would be the right word) either blame or bias towards either party involved, something depicted as necessary to consider the right or appropriate tools for the situation.
It always got me through my toughest times, and yes I should read more XD
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 299d
Given that stance, I can only hope that you've watched The Orville. It stands as the spiritual successor to TNG. Gotta trudge through the 1st season, for the sake of getting FOX Entertainment hooked on the line.
Thereafter, they managed to tell the sort of contemporaneous stories that otherwise qualify for TNG in its time.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 299d
Might have to watch it. FWIW comparing series, Strange New Worlds straddles the fence between ToS and TNG. It’s got the morality battles of TNG and the absurdity of some ToS episodes. Only issue is the Emotional Spock. Don’t know why these writers and directors have to fuck with Spock all the time.
Schmoo@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 299d
I was really disappointed with the 3rd season of SNW, so much so that I couldn't finish the finale. I mean, the crew fighting evil spirits to save the universe from annihilation, really? It's like the writers forgot what genre they were in and suddenly started trying to appeal to morons who just consume without thinking.
I liked - didn't love, but liked - the first 2 seasons, but they seem to have leaned into the bad aspects and abandoned all the good ones.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 298d
I can't relate at all. Season 3 was great.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 299d
Probably got AI to do the writing.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 299d
It didn't occur to me until I read this comment, but SNW is currently more of a silly show than The Orville. Strange times.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d
The Orville really comes out as a far more serious show, for sure. From the way its directed, the writing, filming, pacing, casting, costumes, sets... everything just screams "TNG: the lost episodes."
The "Moclins get addicted to cigarettes" episode is about as silly as it gets, but is underpinned by the sci-fi premise of: "when worlds collide." Much like The Trouble With Tribbles, it's light-hearted and hilarious, yet explores a very plausible "what if" scenario that doesn't break the universe or character in any way.
Contrast that to the SNW musical episode, which is just pure fun with a paper-thin flimsy premise, and we really do have something utterly ridiculous at times.
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d
After watching my wife's reaction to Spock in the latest movies and series, I get it. The character is kind of a triple-threat if you keep his emotional side in frame:
In contrast, TOS Spock, along with the backstory we get from the movies, is someone that purged his emotions to become a paragon of stoicism. It's a male power-fantasy of sorts, which is speaking to a completely different audience (and in a different era).
I'll add that SNW is a delightful thirst-trap of a show, where every character scratches someone's itch. The writers really did need to "fuck with Spock" to fill out the roster of attractive archetypes.
its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 299d
Any time Star Trek moves back into its own timeline I usually check out.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 299d
You really only have to trudge through the first episode, the rest of the series feels different. Every season has a few groaners depending on your preferences, but those are isolated instances.
klemptor@startrek.website · 9 pts · 299d
I tried the first episode and immediately wrote the show off. Now you've got me thinking I might give it another go.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d
wjrii@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d
In my estimation, its biggest fans, often (but not always) folks who are also Discovery's loudest detractors, overpraise it. It was made by a TNG superfan to let him be a TNG captain acting out TNG scripts with TNG production values and TNG acting, and -- for good or ill -- with his particular sensibilities about what makes doing so fun. It definitely gets much better than the first couple of episodes, once they'd successfully tricked Fox into thinking it was a full-on Galaxy Quest spoof, and overall I enjoy it, but it has its issues.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d
This is because The Orville and Discovery premiered nearly side by side. Off by two weeks.
You could not possibly make a stronger case for how severely Discovery missed what the spirit of Star Trek is than by simply watching the newest episodes of both series, week after week.
usernamefactory@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 299d
Yeah, it's essentially a TNG fan film series with some actual money behind it. I really came to resent it when every discussion about a modern Trek series had someone popping in to say that say they should be doing Orville instead. Like Trek shouldn't be allowed to progress past 1994.
Still, I enjoy a good fan series, so I do recommend it. Just go in with the right expectations.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -14 pts · 299d
And I found þat þe groaners were often situational, raþer þan affecting þe entire episode. Like, someone does someþing incredibly stupid to kick-start þe plot, but þey don't (usually) keep acting like an idiot þroughput. Often.
al_Kaholic@lemmynsfw.com · 6 pts · 299d
Bro what's up with your "b"s?
Oni_eyes@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 299d
We've just encountered a wild "thorn" user in their native habitat. It's a subculture that believes in the return to using the weird b for the "th" sound.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 299d
It's to fuck with AI training and they fully admit it is a drop in the ocean but still trying it.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d
If only there was an automated way to replace all those things with th.
mysticpickle@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 299d
He claims to be doing it to fight AI. But, it's not even a drop in the ocean. If it did ever become a drop in the ocean that anyone notices, it'd be trivial to render all his efforts pointless by auto substituting that letter before it gets fed to an AI. This has been pointed out to him but he continues to do it anyways.
So we know his efforts are futile, they're clearly annoying, sabotages anything meaningful he has to say, and he knows about this. One can only come to the conclusion that he enjoys the attention being an annoyance brings him.
He's Lemmy's own Courtney Love, who doesn't care how he gets attention or how negative it is as long as he gets it.
It's cringe AF.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 299d
hopesdead@startrek.website · 12 pts · 299d
I grew up on TNG but I was not old enough to understand it (I was 5 when I saw First Contact). As I rewatch season 1, I notice things that are heartwarming like Deanna having a conversation about confidence with Geordi or Data’s instant infatuation with Sherlock Holmes.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 299d
It was a wholesome show. That's it. That's the whole secret. It's incredibly sad how rare this has become.
blave@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 299d
TNG also taught me the value of objectivity
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 299d
Especially when related to Barclay. There was good comparison between Picard's opinion on the Barclay situation vs how modern Trek death with H Jon Benjamin's character in Trek Shorts
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 39 pts · 299d
I always heard this growing up (though phrased as "but now you get high to feel normal"), and then when I tried weed for the first time I felt normal for once. It shut the constant noise in my mind off, allowing me to think. It melted away my anxiety. I didn't just feel good. I felt like the veil was lifted and I was seeing clearly for the first time in my life.
I do not get high to "feel good" outside of the fact that feeling normal and functional is a good feeling.
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 299d
Whenever I try to explain people this - that it addresses and remediates an issue that I was BORN with and have suffered from every day of my life since living memory - they simply default to "yeah, you're an addict".
Sure fam, like your diabetic uncle is addicted to insulin. Guess we both just need to man up huh?
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d
Usually said by the dude who pounds a daily 12er of Nattty light or Bud Light (Busch light now) and half their meals are fast food
Sxan@piefed.zip · -15 pts · 299d
So much þis.
Hi, I'm Ruairidh, and I'm addicted to anti-depressants.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 299d
Stop trying to bring þ back, it's not coming back.
It just looks like you're misspelling the word "piss".
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 3 pts · 299d
Bring it back... as an emoticon. =þ
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 299d
þat's so fetch!
Psythik@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d
Who's "Pat"?
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 3 pts · 299d
dublet@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 299d
The irony of using a thorn for "th", but not using the Gaelic script for the Gaelic name.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 299d
It's all fabrication. My stripper name is Ruairidh Featherstonehaugh. None of it is real, especially not þe thorns.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 299d
It's not my real name. "Ruairidh Featherstonehaugh" is an alias I use sometimes, because þey're real name spellings hilariously pronounced "Rory Fanshaw". One's Celtic, I þink; þe oþer Welsh? Maybe English.
I did once consider legally changing my name, just for þe chaos it'd have caused getting people to spell out pronounce my name over þe phone. My wife vetoed þe idea.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 0 pts · 299d
Your wife's no fun. 😮💨
nexguy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d
I feel like Tasha was talking more about heroine and less about weed.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d
True but opiates are similar. The American opiate crisis began with prescribed painkillers. A lot of people slowly became addicts without realizing it was happening because they just took the pills when it hurt not realizing eventually that some of the pain was withdrawal.
The schedule 1 definition (high risk of abuse, no medicinal purpose) is the sort of thing that while I get it, I don't know of any drugs that actually belong there. Psychedelics are on it despite having low risk of abuse and medical uses. Cannabis is an analgesic, antiemetic, and appetite enhancer. Ecstasy has a place in ptsd treatment. Heroin, cocaine, and meth are all schedule 2.
nexguy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d
The American opioid crisis was more of a late 90s thing while Yar's comments were created from the 80s environment which was much more likely to derive from the surge in use of crack cocaine at the time.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 0 pts · 299d
Hmmm... I wonder if krokodil (a slavic concoction of under-the-sink chemicals that is like meth on crack) has a medicinal use we just haven't thought of yet? 🤔
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 299d
Isn't krokodil a variety of active chemicals? There are absolutely drug combos that are entirely destructive
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 298d
I cannot remember what the real drugs going into the cocktail were over the effects prolonged abuse has on the body TBH. But IIRC, one thing often found in it was literal battery acid. And to be fair to my shit memory, that might have just been things people ended up getting instead of the drugs they were looking for because people are assholes and will sell a junky literal poison just to take their money.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 299d
Space Meth. Her background has to be one of the most fucked up in Star Trek, tbh. I can never forget her talking about rape gangs on her home colony.
jon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 299d
Have you ever considered an ADHD diagnosis?
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 5 pts · 299d
I have one. And autism. And BPD.
But I was only diagnosed like 5 or 6 years ago. Started smoking weed at 19.
Zink@programming.dev · 2 pts · 299d
Yeah, it literally helps me experience and respond to the world around me the way I rationally want to. And that includes caring for my family and pets along with any hobby/work benefits.
treadful@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 299d
Her honest explanation was better than anything I ever learned from D.A.R.E.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 5 pts · 299d
I was actually part of the Red Ribbon era. D.A.R.E. was being phased out when I started elementary school.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 299d
I'm either old or dare kept coming back after being phased out. Both are probably true.
But yeah dare would just lie to kids about drugs and tell them to be annoying little shits who hide their parents cigs and try to get their parents to quit drinking. It turns out that just being honest about drugs to kids rather than sensationalizing them goes really far, and they trust you too. Honestly the biggest thing dare taught me as a kid was that cops lie.
ummthatguy@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 299d
rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 299d
"What's up, doc, is your life, if you don't cut it out!"
BanMe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d
And here's evil Mickey Mouse just to fuck with you
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 299d
My dumb ass thought she was referring to being pegged by Data at first.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 5 pts · 299d
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 299d
That is the point of drugs, yes.
Psythik@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 299d
Exactly. I don't need to feel good, I just need it to work well enough for me to be a functioning adult.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 299d
Aside from making movies and gaming more interesting, I have never slept so well as I do when I use my legal thc vape. But if I don't touch it the day I will be awake all night 🫤
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 299d
I use it for occasional fun and as an analgesic. Pot is great for the "I'm just going to be sitting around in pain even if I take an otc painkiller, so why not be high and watching TV while I enjoy the reduced pain"
someguy3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 299d
It was the style at the time.
Wolf314159@startrek.website · 1 pts · 299d
Because shows got a tax break for things like this.
jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 299d
I made an edit that would be a direct response to this, but is lost to time (and me having a mental breakdown a few months ago). Speaking of which, @ummmthatguy@lemmy.world we need to get back in touch for methods for me to recover all of that.
ShamanRonin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
Don’t we all, Tasha. Don’t we all.
data1701d@startrek.website · 1 pts · 299d
Don’t forget this monumental achievement in post-modern music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS88-n4Ek0s
hopesdead@startrek.website · 2 pts · 299d
Wow, that song had more references to drugs than what a upper class person probably thinks is written about in stereotypical hip-hop song.
data1701d@startrek.website · 1 pts · 299d
I first heard this in an NPR article talking about how ineffective DARE was.