The New Testament was written after his death too, some parts of it earlier than others. I think it's also a pretty safe bet that there was a lot of editorializing over the centuries, since AFAIK the earliest surviving copies of anything are from the 2nd or 3rd centuries CE.
There's probably less editorializing than you'd think. At least less that was successful in being hidden. There are verses that we know we're added in later that seem like they fit in perfectly. Example: "for yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, now and forever" at the end of the Lord's prayer. That verse feels right at home there, but based on early copies and differences between copies as Christianity spread, we know that wasn't original.
Well, the gospels themselves are an example of editorializing. None of the gospels are written by the disciples themselves, most if not all of them were written after all the apostles would have been dead, and it is widely agreed that two of them (Matthew and Luke) are basically fanfiction spin-offs of Mark and a second, long lost source.
To clarify, I think by the time the stories were canonized, the narrative was likely more or less established. But in the 2-3 centuries before that I expect it to have been quite varied. We have no real way of knowing either way because there are very few surviving scraps of manuscripts from that early on.
The original post says that "the Bible" was written "hundreds of years after [Jesus's] death." I consider this to be an incorrect statement. When someone says "the Bible," I wouldn't think of only the most recently composed passages, but as a whole, from Genesis to Revelation.
This doesn't mean that those recent passages weren't written hundreds of years after Jesus died, only that I wouldn't identify that point in history as "when the Bible was written."
He would and did quote the old testament. The prophets books were written at least a few hundred years before he lived, and those were the latest of the old testament to be written.
The new testament was written about 100 years after he lived, and canonized a few hundred years later.
The old testament did exist, and Jesus misquoted and misunderstood the fuck out of it.
Matthew 22:41-45
Jesus asks the pharisees how the messiah can be the son of David when David calls the holy spirit "lord," referring to psalm 110 whish starts "the lord said to my lord." It's a ridiculous claim to start with, but it's not even the correct understanding. The narrator is not David, they're recounting what happened to David. The lord (God) said to my lord (king David). At no time does David even speak in psalm 110.
Yeah we aren't living in old testament days anymore. We live more by convictions now than "the law".
Seems like a great app that could be used very positively by the smart sincere person. And, it could be used as a joke by the cynical, insincere and insecure.
25“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?g 28And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, 29yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
You'd think a JesusGPT would remember the Gospels better than the letters Paul wrote decades after he died having never met him.
So umm "make no idols before me" really took a 180⁰ turn in this capitalist hellscape. Its almost like Jesus was hippie commie who wanted peace in the middle east and not generations of war and bloodshed against the native inhabitants of Jerusalem and the west bank
I have a neighbor down the street named Jesus I gab with sometimes but he hasn't been out much because the government is trying to human traffick him into torture.
I wonder how much would the LLM behind it glitch akin to the average christian person when asked to explain:
- Rev 22:16, among other verses (including how, figuratively speaking, Christ did "fall from the heavens" insofar he had to descend into Earth in order to become human), and whether Lucifer (Morning Star) is actually Christ (i.e. Lucifer and Christ being manifestations of a same entity)
- The primordial woman in Genesis 1:27 before the "Eve" from Genesis 2:21-23 (something that's further implied from Adam's speech "At last/this is now (so there was a 'then'?), bone from my bones (...) This one (so there was another?) will be called 'woman'"
- Speaking of which, the plural from Genesis 1:26 (נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה naahseh "let us make" as "first person common plural") which is followed by "זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה" (zakar unaeqebah, man and woman), which implies... A God and a Goddess (Tupã and Jaci, Osiris and Isis, Nun and Naunet, Yahweh and Asherah, etc)?
- One of the most mysterious Hapax Legomena (when a word occurs only once throughout an entire corpus of texts) in Isaiah 34:14, "לִּילִ֔ית" (Lilit, sometimes translated as "night creature", although some versions of bible uses a transliterated "Lilit" (without the h, even though the letter "taw" sounds more like a th than a muted t) as a name), whose background and whereabouts, if one were to restrict themselves to the canonical bible, are little to not known.
I'm not mocking them, it's something I've noticed since I used to be christian in the not-so-distant past, but the average christian can't possibly dive into these deep studies, it requires the christian to at least know the "original" (Hebrew O.T. and Greek N.T) version of the book. At least LLMs are trained with the entire biblical corpus, maybe even including the apocrypha (book of Enoch, book of Melchizedek, etc).
No it's not. Jesus dit live at some point in history, although he was just a normal bloke. AI doesn't exist, even AGI doesn't even exist yet. We just have LLM's. It has not artificial intelligence or artificial general intelligence.
52 Comments
turdas@suppo.fi · 85 pts · 303d
Jesus wouldn't quote the Bible. It was written hundreds of years after his death.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 25 pts · 303d
Merely providing Bible quotes is probably the better decision though.
monkeyman512@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 303d
Yeah. Basically just acting as a pretty good search engine to find relevant quotes.
notreallyhere@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 303d
Samsy@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 303d
The cloud. Didn't they teach you anything in IT class?
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 303d
Also wasn't white
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 9 pts · 303d
He might quote himself, which was then put in the Bible, tho.
BenVimes@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 303d
Let's be correct here: the Christian Bible was canonized centuries after Jesus's death. That's not the same thing as being written.
I still appreciate the point you're making, though.
turdas@suppo.fi · 6 pts · 302d
The New Testament was written after his death too, some parts of it earlier than others. I think it's also a pretty safe bet that there was a lot of editorializing over the centuries, since AFAIK the earliest surviving copies of anything are from the 2nd or 3rd centuries CE.
Mr_Fish@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
There's probably less editorializing than you'd think. At least less that was successful in being hidden. There are verses that we know we're added in later that seem like they fit in perfectly. Example: "for yours is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, now and forever" at the end of the Lord's prayer. That verse feels right at home there, but based on early copies and differences between copies as Christianity spread, we know that wasn't original.
turdas@suppo.fi · 2 pts · 302d
Well, the gospels themselves are an example of editorializing. None of the gospels are written by the disciples themselves, most if not all of them were written after all the apostles would have been dead, and it is widely agreed that two of them (Matthew and Luke) are basically fanfiction spin-offs of Mark and a second, long lost source.
To clarify, I think by the time the stories were canonized, the narrative was likely more or less established. But in the 2-3 centuries before that I expect it to have been quite varied. We have no real way of knowing either way because there are very few surviving scraps of manuscripts from that early on.
icelimit@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 303d
'this fan fiction is now mainstream'.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
Some parts of the bible are shown to have been written about 400 years later
BenVimes@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 302d
I don't see where I said otherwise.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 302d
The implication is incorrect.
BenVimes@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 302d
What is it that you think I was implying with my post?
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
This is the post you replied to
The implication was that it was not correct because of a reply that starts with:
BenVimes@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 302d
The original post says that "the Bible" was written "hundreds of years after [Jesus's] death." I consider this to be an incorrect statement. When someone says "the Bible," I wouldn't think of only the most recently composed passages, but as a whole, from Genesis to Revelation.
This doesn't mean that those recent passages weren't written hundreds of years after Jesus died, only that I wouldn't identify that point in history as "when the Bible was written."
Mr_Fish@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 303d
He would and did quote the old testament. The prophets books were written at least a few hundred years before he lived, and those were the latest of the old testament to be written.
The new testament was written about 100 years after he lived, and canonized a few hundred years later.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 302d
The old testament did exist, and Jesus misquoted and misunderstood the fuck out of it.
Matthew 22:41-45
Jesus asks the pharisees how the messiah can be the son of David when David calls the holy spirit "lord," referring to psalm 110 whish starts "the lord said to my lord." It's a ridiculous claim to start with, but it's not even the correct understanding. The narrator is not David, they're recounting what happened to David. The lord (God) said to my lord (king David). At no time does David even speak in psalm 110.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 302d
And not in English
Ethalis@jlai.lu · 43 pts · 302d
So how is this not blasphemy? Not that I care, mind you, but they're supposed to
Dyskolos@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 302d
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 301d
The people making this are almost always cynical, amoral, business-as-religion tech bros.
Of course its blasphemy that's why they do it. They love making a buck off gullible believers.
III@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
Who are these "they" you speak of? Do you mean the small handful of christians that actually adhere to their own religious texts?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 302d
How is it blasphemy to text with Jesus? It'd be an honor.
Dingleberrydipndots@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 301d
Yeah we aren't living in old testament days anymore. We live more by convictions now than "the law".
Seems like a great app that could be used very positively by the smart sincere person. And, it could be used as a joke by the cynical, insincere and insecure.
monotremata@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 303d
The image looks rather a lot like the "Buddy Christ" from Dogma. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buddy_christ.jpg
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
I see Christian bale
Akido37@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 303d
hopesdead@startrek.website · 1 pts · 303d
Damn, you saw this first.
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 303d
You'd think a JesusGPT would remember the Gospels better than the letters Paul wrote decades after he died having never met him.
Hazzard@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 303d
This just makes me want to try to get it to hallucinate a Bible verse that doesn't exist.... but it's not worth giving them the traffic to try.
Aneb@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 301d
So umm "make no idols before me" really took a 180⁰ turn in this capitalist hellscape. Its almost like Jesus was hippie commie who wanted peace in the middle east and not generations of war and bloodshed against the native inhabitants of Jerusalem and the west bank
Envy@quokk.au · 10 pts · 302d
froggycar360@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 302d
Facts
Flickerby@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 303d
I have a neighbor down the street named Jesus I gab with sometimes but he hasn't been out much because the government is trying to human traffick him into torture.
aggelalex@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 302d
The literal peak of AI psychosis, in your hands
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 302d
Someone please hack this to only return Torah quotes and only in Aramaic.
hopesdead@startrek.website · 9 pts · 303d
That first sentence had me startled.
EDIT: Looks at second text. Is this secretly Winn Adami?
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
She did her homework. Easily the best actor on that show, she was so perfectly hateable.
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 303d
Why did they use a picture of Christian Bale?
garretble@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 303d
I see they went with “white Jesus” instead of what he actually looked like.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
BoosBeau@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
Ask him what that hole in his hand do
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
Afaik these things are not approved of by any churches or religious organizations.
If you ask them if Jesus would suck a dick to save a soul none of them give the correct answer.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 302d
And thus far, neither have you. Neither have you.
Ilixtze@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 303d
MmMmmMmm! hot blonde, whippings and crucifixions!
zbyte64@awful.systems · 2 pts · 303d
First the pope throws a rave, now this 🤦
notreallyhere@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 303d
dsilverz@calckey.world · 1 pts · 302d
@Mickey7@lemmy.world @lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
I wonder how much would the LLM behind it glitch akin to the average christian person when asked to explain:
- Rev 22:16, among other verses (including how, figuratively speaking, Christ did "fall from the heavens" insofar he had to descend into Earth in order to become human), and whether Lucifer (Morning Star) is actually Christ (i.e. Lucifer and Christ being manifestations of a same entity)
- The primordial woman in Genesis 1:27 before the "Eve" from Genesis 2:21-23 (something that's further implied from Adam's speech "At last/this is now (so there was a 'then'?), bone from my bones (...) This one (so there was another?) will be called 'woman'"
- Speaking of which, the plural from Genesis 1:26 (נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה naahseh "let us make" as "first person common plural") which is followed by "זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה" (zakar unaeqebah, man and woman), which implies... A God and a Goddess (Tupã and Jaci, Osiris and Isis, Nun and Naunet, Yahweh and Asherah, etc)?
- One of the most mysterious Hapax Legomena (when a word occurs only once throughout an entire corpus of texts) in Isaiah 34:14, "לִּילִ֔ית" (Lilit, sometimes translated as "night creature", although some versions of bible uses a transliterated "Lilit" (without the h, even though the letter "taw" sounds more like a th than a muted t) as a name), whose background and whereabouts, if one were to restrict themselves to the canonical bible, are little to not known.
I'm not mocking them, it's something I've noticed since I used to be christian in the not-so-distant past, but the average christian can't possibly dive into these deep studies, it requires the christian to at least know the "original" (Hebrew O.T. and Greek N.T) version of the book. At least LLMs are trained with the entire biblical corpus, maybe even including the apocrypha (book of Enoch, book of Melchizedek, etc).
the_q@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 303d
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 302d
No, it's not. It's texting with an Ai bot pretending to be Jesus.
III@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
To be fair, AI is considerably more real than Jesus ever was.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 302d
No it's not. Jesus dit live at some point in history, although he was just a normal bloke. AI doesn't exist, even AGI doesn't even exist yet. We just have LLM's. It has not artificial intelligence or artificial general intelligence.