Rust developer has 'no plans' for Linux or Proton support, says games that support them are 'not serious about anti-cheat'
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/survival-crafting/rust-developer-has-no-plans-for-linux-or-proton-support-says-games-that-support-them-are-not-serious-about-anti-cheat/
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cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 71 pts · 271d
If I need spyware to ensure I’m playing a game right, that’s a game I don’t need.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 68 pts · 271d
If the game Rust is what is keeping you away from being on Linux it might be best you never go to Linux. Just save us all the future headache, thanks.
hperrin@lemmy.ca · 46 pts · 271d
I mean if you run on an operating system, you’re not really serious about anti cheat. You should require all of your players to buy your own hardware that is sealed in a titanium box. They should have to give a blood sample before each session, and they should have to be completely surrounded by webcams the entire time. Better yet, have them report to their nearest prison’s solitary confinement wing for a 100% monitored play session.
Let’s get actually serious about anti cheat.
who@feddit.org · 44 pts · 271d
That's curious phrasing. Did he expect legitimate users to stick around after support was taken away? Or does he mean that there were more cheaters than legit users before support was dropped?
Okay, so his blog post suggests that it was the former, making his original argument really bizarre.
The Steam Deck was released three years later, and nearly four more years have passed since its release. The portion of gamers using Linux has grown considerably more than he imagines above, and continues to grow.
That is a false dichotomy. Rather than assuming what the Easy Anti-Cheat folks would do if more support were needed for Linux, he should probably ask. I would expect them to respond to increased demand by hiring qualified staff, not diverting existing staff to tasks for which they are unqualified. This is how businesses grow.
I think that's the most sensible thing he has written on the topic.
exu@feditown.com · 25 pts · 271d
EAC supports Proton, the devs only need to enable it. And if they think something is lacking compared to Windows, I'm sure they could get Valve to work with EAC on improving those aspects.
CHOPSTEEQ@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 271d
NichtElias@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 271d
Brawlhalla has been running fine with EAC for years too
msokiovt@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 271d
He's a lying sack of potatoes. I literally called it out on here when I read his gaslighting Reddit post. EA did the exact same thing with Apex Legends, of which my producer was a heavy Apex player on Steam.
NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 271d
It's Platinum rated on ProtonDB since before the actual launch. https://www.protondb.com/app/1808500
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 271d
The main problem for developers isn't that it's hard to implement. It's the fact that EAC runs in userspace on Linux and is pretty trivial to bypass.
With that said, I want Linux to be THE gaming platform. Problem is that server side anti-cheat is not as widespread in gaming as it should be.
CHOPSTEEQ@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 271d
yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 271d
By the way, even in 2019 having only 0.01% Linux players in a game that officially supports Linux feels abysmally bad. I'd wager it had Linux support on paper only and when you tried playing it would be an awful experience.
rbos@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 271d
Can confirm. Their builds were pretty bad.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 42 pts · 271d
The last "serious about anticheat" game was hacked on release day. On Windows. With kernel-level AC.
Fuck off with your lies.
Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 30 pts · 271d
... Rust still exists? As in, the murder-hobo-survival game that was early access like, 10-15 years ago?
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 271d
It's been polished a lot since then (they update every month), but yeah, it's still around and it's fun. Sucks that Alistair has this take tho.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 271d
It is very different from the Early Access times. At some point they have rebuilt the whole game from ground up. Still is a murder-hobo-survival but is much more fun, nicer looking, better optimized and higher-skill-based game.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 271d
That is still absolutely loaded to the gills with cheaters. DNSL has a whole series of videos where he trolls people on the server using cheats. 😂
SaneMartigan@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 270d
I thought they were talking about the programming language.
monis@ttrpg.network · 25 pts · 271d
I hear hackers run rampant in Rust.
Are they trying to say Valve isn't serious about anti-cheat?
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 270d
This is the funny part: they run rampant on official servers. The community hosted ones with independent admins and moderators have much cleaner playing fields lol, and they can turn off the kernel level EAC
chunes@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 271d
15 years ago, any developer who wanted to install low-level malware on your system would have been rightfully laughed out of the room.
It really shows how tech illiterate the modern user is.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 271d
If you can't play a specific game on linux due to anti-cheat and you still have to encounter cheaters on windows - is this a linux problem somehow?
msokiovt@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 271d
Dude should ask Linux players how they can actually play games with EAC and Battleye if that box is turned on, then they'll realize that none of the cheaters use Linux (if any at all). Most, if not all of them, use Windows with specialized scripts.
hddsx@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 271d
The headline confused me for a second. I was like, aren’t they adding more and more rust to the kernel?
yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 271d
Same, I had to double check the article lol. Rust next to the word developer was a sort of short-sighted phrasing.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 271d
RUST is a game, Rust is the programming thing. Maybe we need to normalize that in posting articles lol
harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 270d
Since rust, the game, was launched one year after rust, the language, can we get the rust foundation to sue them for shits and giggles?
dermanus@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 270d
Ok, I wasn't gonna play that anyway, I prefer games that don't incentivize cheating.
Kronusdark@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 271d
There are so many alternatives to these sort of games now. I am not sure it's a good idea to just give your players the middle finger like that.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 271d
Every single one of them is also better than Rust. Ark, Conan Exiles, that new Dune game, Palworld...
Bosht@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 271d
And nothing of value was lost.
ulterno@programming.dev · 6 pts · 271d
We have Rust at home.
paraphrand@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 271d
Why hasn’t the amazing economy propelling AI industry fixed cheating yet?
DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 271d
My suspicion says that Valve use AI in VAC these days. I have no proof of anything but in my opinion it would be the smart thing to do. And something major happened in TF2 a few months ago where they finally managed to ban the rampant bot cheaters. Could be AI or it could just be Valve finally taking the problem seriously.
logan_hero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 271d
They used deep learning system in the past
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 271d
They made TF2 good? I might reinstall it on my PC.
nik282000@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 271d
Welp, enjoy your rootkits and privacy violations.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 271d
There is a personal element to this, somehow. The developer's relationship with Linux took a weird turn at one point and there's been a will-they-won't-they tension ever since.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 271d
Games shouldn’t be serious about anti-cheat.
DesolateMood@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 271d
Games should be serious about anticheat, it just shouldn't require a rootkit into the players computer
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 264d
Let the server admin/mods deal with it.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 271d
Rust? That's a beverage in star citizen
essell@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 271d
And what my car is mostly made of right now.
(It was brand new when Star Citizen was announced)
ryannathans@aussie.zone · -2 pts · 271d
I feel the same about GTA 6, which has been in development longer at greater cost
victorz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 269d
Gosh, stop trying so hard to make me not want play your game, I can only take so much!
OR3X@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 271d
I tried to get into Rust a few times and never liked it. One time I even played with a decent group of people and it still sucked. They can keep their game.
Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 271d
I enjoyed rust by hosting my own personal whitelisted server for my friends and I to mess around on, that's my favorite way to enjoy the game. You can play on linux by disabling their anticheat on your community server (since the server just rejects the proton client with EAC enabled, you don't get banned).
umt@lemmynsfw.com · 3 pts · 271d
I have no plans to play Rust, so no harm no foul I guess.