Are Americans supposed to think that the Trump administration canceling the release of economics reports is somehow a good sign for the economy?
The Bureau of Economic Analysis announced Monday that it had officially canceled releasing the advance estimate on gross domestic product (GDP) for the third quarter of 2025. The Trump administration had previously delayed the release, which was initially slated for October 30, due to the government shutdown—but now it seems to have been abandoned altogether.
Last week, the Labor Department called off releasing its monthly jobs report for October, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics scrapped its own report on inflation.
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spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works · 121 pts · 258d
Trump has fired 300,000+ federal workers, shut the entire federal government down for 40 days, dramatically increased prices for most everything by imposing his tariffs, caused a catastrophic collapse of farm and other exports, and allowed huge increases in heathcare insurance premiums.
We're heading for a serious and deep recession and the economic data that Trump's hiding shows that.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 44 pts · 258d
On a positive note: imagine how large scale and resilient the US economy is to not yet be nose first in the ground already. Don't mistake me, it's bad and heading that way, and lots of damage and people have been hurt, but even the bankruptcy king who can ruin businesses that run themselves couldn't immediately tank it.
It's like the bull ran through the china shop a few times, and while there's debris on the floor, there's still a lot that hasn't been knocked down. Oh wait, here he comes through again...
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 258d
I'm actually surprised things are happening so fast. We're only 10 months in and it took Trump a few weeks to start his rampage. Even in this short amount of time he's done enough damage to force him to block the release of economic data that has been standard fare for decades. In another 10 months the downturn is going to be so widespread and apparent that even the Republican propaganda machine and Trump's pathological lying won't be able to cover it up.
JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 257d
We can hope. Then maybe, just maybe, the American voters will come out and do something for a change, instead of whining about the candidates and a war on the other side of the world.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 256d
Disenfranchised citizens seeking representation in government.
Genocide
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captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
He spent 4 years damaging it and between him and the pandemic it still hadn't recovered resilience.
io@piefed.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 257d
the only reason you think that is the gdp which looks okay because of the financial markets AI Hype and maybe the Defense Systems Industry.
The actual economy: Groceries, Services, both public and and private, healthcare and Infrastructure in general are all very much nose first in the ground.
Business is not Economy
sepi@piefed.social · 2 pts · 257d
BUT LINE GO UP
Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 257d
MythBusters showed the expression bull in a China shop is not accurate because the bull did not actually break anything
slumberlust@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 253d
Did they startle it?
BanMe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 257d
It really shows how delusional and untethered the national casino that is Wall Street is. They will keep partying until the boat is fully underwater.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 256d
We'll be lucky if it's just a recession.
Hiding the data will prevent the market from reacting appropriately and self correcting. It's very likely it will overcorrect. Combined that with trump's incompetence and we have a high chance of getting to watch the economy go off the rails at full speed.
Dagnet@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 258d
Just sweep everything under the rug and pretend it's not there, what is the worst that could happen?
phar@lemmy.ml · 42 pts · 258d
Millions of people die in a pandemic?
Oh sorry that was last time
Makhno@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 258d
Millions of Americans died from covid?
4am@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 257d
I remember seeing it was close to 2 million
Serinus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 257d
0.6ish% fatality rate in a population of ~350 million, with obviously a much higher hospitalization rate sounds about right.
5too@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 257d
I remember looking at the change in overall death rate for US citizens after the first year of lockdowns; when people were saying COVID deaths were being over reported.
As I recall, the last time we had such a large spike in overall death rate was in 1918 - when we were dealing with the Spanish flu and WW1.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 258d
More than one million but not millions no.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 257d
More than one million…..so far.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 257d
Yeah, it's not gone.
Serinus@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 257d
More than one million is "millions" in English.
Professorozone@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 257d
No it's not. It's two million or more. What are you... Cheap AI?
Hylactor@sopuli.xyz · 16 pts · 258d
Best case scenario: the less corrupt, less cruel (note: less) democrats wrest power back. At which point all hidden failures will become public and blamed on them. Republicans will claim everything was peachy under their watch and everything went to shit as soon as a woman or a person of color got control.
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip · 35 pts · 257d
This is what Trump does. Take control of buissnes, extract wealth for himself, use the weak and corrupt legal and regulatory systen to his advantage while leaving the bag to someone else.
If you are not a billionare, you are the 'someone else'.
AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 257d
Fun little fact:
During mortgage security and global meltdown, the actual, direct drop in economic valuation due to mismanagement, poor underwriting, etc. wasn't the cause of the lions share of the overall drop.
Trust was.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 257d
This is the thing that worries me as someone living in the US, why the hell would the global financial system still trust the US? It doesn't matter if Trump gets thrown out and a democrat wins and centrists implement measly reforms that only paper over the wound blah blah blah... from the rest of the world's perspective who is to say fascists/rightwing extremists in this country won't try to collapse everything again in another 4 years?
Centrists and rightwing people are living life in a complete daze in the US thinking that trust doesn't have any bearing on whether the US hurtles into a depression or not, it is very unnerving and exhausting to be immersed in.
czech@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 257d
The global financial system is forced to work with the US bc the USD is currently the world's reserve currency. If the world aknowledges what's happened to America then everyone crashes. Once the reserve currency is no longer USD, the US cant keep printing money and everything quickly falls to shit in America while the rest of the world moves on.
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dermanus@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 257d
This is the same guy who said if you stop covid testing, the numbers go down. I'm not sure I would trust any numbers he published anyways.
iz_ok@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 258d
What? I haven't gained a tremendous amount of weight doctor. I threw out our scale months ago. The one you have here has been recalibrated by the radical left. 215lbs forever.
manxu@piefed.social · 25 pts · 257d
That's an incredibly dangerous move. Even bad numbers would just be an embarrassment for the President. But not releasing the numbers forces everyone to assume they are the worst case scenario possible, which could make for absolute market panic.
myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 257d
Kinda like his casinos, steak company, university….im seeing a trend here
Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 257d
Bankrupting a casino is a special kind of failure
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 257d
Remember when he got banned from operating nonprofit orgs because he was caught stealing money from kids with cancer?
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 256d
The business model is essentially just people giving you their money.
pedz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 256d
Not when the goal is to use the casinos to commit fraud and hide the money before running it to the ground. It's much easier to run a business for a few years, over evaluate everything, pay employees like shit, not pay the contractors, funnel and siphon the money somewhere else, then eventually declare bankruptcy, making it nearly impossible for everyone he's owing money to get paid. And you do the same thing with another casino/business/building.
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit. Maybe he's really really a moron, but grifting seems to be the only type of work he's ever done.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 256d
Also didn't help that Atlantic city was already well on its way towards its current state. At least Vegas can fall back on industry, Transit, and regional tourism.
altphoto@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 257d
Can we ask our representatives to vote for the release of these files too?
DirtPuddleMisfortune@feddit.org · 16 pts · 257d
Are you tired of winning yet?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 7 pts · 257d
Lysenkoism time baybeeeee
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 257d
Absolutely hilarious. And then blaming the Democrats for it...
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 257d
What a gimp
santa@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 258d
Isn’t tat another failure?
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 3 pts · 257d
What the fuck is he wearing?
cheers_queers@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 257d
He has been dressing like this since he met with mamdani lol
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 256d
Maybe his brain's finally gone enough that he's letting his handlers clothe him, or they can finally force him to wear what they want. Maybe this is melania's revenge for having to put up with his stench.
camdog2000@ttrpg.network · -6 pts · 257d
I'd sooner go to prison than work in this economy.
Free food, shelter, heating, and above all: healthcare.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 7 pts · 257d
Tell me you haven't been to prison without telling me you haven't been to prison
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 256d
While it's certainly a silly viewpoint, it's also not entirely wrong. There have been people who were released after decades in the prison that wanted to go back in. They couldn't thrive in a world that had left them far behind, and the small guarantees were there in prison.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 256d
I get bring institutionalized, but that is after all hope has been broken on a normal life outside.
Still from op it is a rather silly stance, having never been inside.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 257d
plot twist: they are a prison