Deviate, Norm

Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. ~Zappa

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mojofrododojo@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 290d

Politics is the entertainment division of the military industrial complex. - FZ

Frank Zappa was awesome. I wonder if he ever hung out with George Carlin, I feel like that chat would be amazing.

SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 290d

Without deviation from the norm, sigma = 0

woop_woop@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 290d (3 replies)

Frank Zappa considered himself a classical conservative in the era of Reagan

Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 290d (2 replies)

And?

Taldan@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 290d (1 reply)

And did you know Sudan has the most pyramids of any country in the world?

AtariDump@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 290d

TIL

j4k3@piefed.world · 4 pts · 290d (2 replies)

Positive feedback is an active choice. It is impossible to create positive change from negative feedback.

Railcar8095@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 290d (1 reply)

How would that look like in cases of absolute evil? For instance, Epstein and his island.

To throw everybody involved in jail forever would be a positive change. What kind of positive feedback would create more positive change?

Honest question, really

j4k3@piefed.world · 0 pts · 290d
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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 290d

That's why Cliff never got a better job.

istdaslol@feddit.org · 1 pts · 290d

Cool, but you still went to that island and have to go to jail mr president

stoy@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 290d (5 replies)

Cool quote, but incorrect.

What is considered a deviation from the norm is HIGHLY subjective, a society where the norm is to embrace new ideas would be the opposite of this quote.

Even a society with norms that are more conservative, progress is being made, though quite slow.

There are also times when norms have been challenged, and ended with disaster, just look at OceanGate's Titan, Stockton Rush deviated from the norms of deep water submersibles, and no progress was made, meanwhile other subs built on existing norms have made a lot of progress

Deceptichum@quokk.au · 10 pts · 290d (3 replies)
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stoy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 290d (2 replies)

That is absolutely deviating from the norms, to the point of insanity

Deceptichum@quokk.au · 8 pts · 290d (1 reply)
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stoy@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 290d

Ofcourse I am, that is my point, norms are subjective regarding your example it is a technicallity but you could absolutely argue that a guy slipping and falling is deviating from the norms of standing.

mortn@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 290d

Norms are intersubjective—neither purely individual opinions nor mind-independent facts, but rather constituted by shared social understandings. They're "real" in that they genuinely constrain and guide behavior, but they exist only through collective recognition.

aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 290d

They don’t need no education…