that and an interpretation of christianity exists that, compared to the overton windows of various epochs, is decidedly revolutionary and abolitionist.
Almost as if the widely accepted public views were both pushed by the monarchy. (Support "our" guy, there is freedom in servitude. Fight their guy, there is servitude in freedom.)
It's been quite a few years, but I think she had been stuck in the past and made a life for herself with another woman and her child, and then she sees 5 rolling through town. I don't remember what he was up to.
I don’t think I have ever heard anybody claim that the Illuminati was democratic or secular. In fact my grandpa was convinced of the opposite in a rather bigoted way.
Fun fact, the downfall of the Illuminati was when one of their couriers carrying banned books and letters on democracy and such was struck by lightning and killed.
In his work of over seven hundred pages, Le Forestier gives an account of his exploration of German archives, where almost everything was preserved with Teutonic precision. When a member of the Illuminati of Bavaria, the Catholic priest Johann Jakob Lang (according to another spelling “Lanz,” 1735–1785), died struck by lightning on July 10, 1785, the police drew up, and archivists preserved, even an exact inventory of what was in his pockets. So fastidious was Le Forestier’s work that later historians have been able to add only a few details, although they have not always accepted his interpretations.
I think it’s using him as an example of how and why we know so much about them, not necessarily their downfall. But it is interesting!
Google the Bavarian Illuminati and enjoy the rabbit hole. They were mostly a bunch of nerds frustrated with the free masons and just wanted to trade books that were banned by the church.
It was a secret society with a bunch of magical rituals to trick people into learning about democracy, because it being illegal wasn't enough to make people interested
Is he though? Because we still burn his effigy every year. Pretty sure it’s just Americans who watched a film they didn’t understand who think him symbolic of freedom.
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flandish@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 276d
that and an interpretation of christianity exists that, compared to the overton windows of various epochs, is decidedly revolutionary and abolitionist.
Tomassci@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 276d
Don't forget Liberation Theology.
MNByChoice@midwest.social · 34 pts · 276d
Almost as if the widely accepted public views were both pushed by the monarchy. (Support "our" guy, there is freedom in servitude. Fight their guy, there is servitude in freedom.)
underisk@lemmy.ml · 24 pts · 276d
you know I watched this show and now I don't even remember what this scene was about anymore. the meme is all that remains.
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 276d
It's been quite a few years, but I think she had been stuck in the past and made a life for herself with another woman and her child, and then she sees 5 rolling through town. I don't remember what he was up to.
MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 275d
As I recall, he was literally looking for her so they all can escape the 60s or whatever.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 13 pts · 276d
The swastika should be the #1 on this list.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 275d
Symbol of peace -> symbol of hate, and a genocidal government
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 276d
I don’t think I have ever heard anybody claim that the Illuminati was democratic or secular. In fact my grandpa was convinced of the opposite in a rather bigoted way.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 26 pts · 276d
The meme is saying that the actual Illuminati were secular and democratic, but are seen in the modern day as a shadowy, oppressive cabal
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 276d
Fun fact, the downfall of the Illuminati was when one of their couriers carrying banned books and letters on democracy and such was struck by lightning and killed.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 276d
Geeeeeeeetouttaheah! Really?
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 276d
https://bitterwinter.org/the-origins-of-the-bavarian-illuminati/
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 275d
I think it’s using him as an example of how and why we know so much about them, not necessarily their downfall. But it is interesting!
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 275d
Part of the contents of his pockets was a member list. It led to a lot of arrests.
I found part 9 of the article series, which has links to the rest.
https://bitterwinter.org/illuminati-and-political-controversy-from-jefferson-to-trump/
I've only read up to part three on that site, but it matches what I've found elsewhere.
cjoll4@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 275d
I had no idea the Illuminati were a real group. I thought they were just some abstract boogeymen. Shows how ignorant I am. :(
king_comrade@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 275d
Google the Bavarian Illuminati and enjoy the rabbit hole. They were mostly a bunch of nerds frustrated with the free masons and just wanted to trade books that were banned by the church.
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 275d
Obligatory Behind the Bastards plug on the History of the Illuminati
PugJesus@piefed.social · 2 pts · 275d
They were a pretty minor group, but they were real!
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 275d
It was a secret society with a bunch of magical rituals to trick people into learning about democracy, because it being illegal wasn't enough to make people interested
rainwall@piefed.social · 4 pts · 275d
This is partly "american exceptionalism" at play too. Our cultural identity worships the individual maverick while hating a cohesive group.
qualia@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 274d
Had to do a little research before I could upvote this. Well done.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 272d
Is he though? Because we still burn his effigy every year. Pretty sure it’s just Americans who watched a film they didn’t understand who think him symbolic of freedom.