A bit of a drag that a lot of local posts look so short and cut off—avoiding that fifth glyph isn't particularly difficult. I was hoping individuals willing to sign up to this community would find joy in writing out paragraphs about various things.
Yeah, I tried it in my other comment, and at first it started with "I think, folks..." which was already a dead end, because any continuation I tried would eventually need a "they". Kind of wild that something as basic as plural can fuck you up. 😅
You might find it laborious at first, but as you post, it will turn natural. It's not what I would ask of most, but to join a Mastodon location all about that act? It did disappoint a bit skimming local posts; it's fun to do this activity!
Which is a book about a world in which the letter "E" has disappeared and only one guy notices it. He tries to prove it, but of course all works of literature have been "rewritten" by reality to no longer include E. For example, Edgar Allen Poe's The Raven, is now A Blackbird - which the author includes in full, keeping the original meter and plot.
You thought you did somthing thr didnt you? Wll sorry to burst your bubbl but numrous sentnces could b constructd without mploying th first ltter of the Nglish lxicon.
Wasn't there a novel written in the 1880s that did not include the letter E? The most commonly used letter in the English language. The story in the novel was unremarkable save for the fact that... yeah, there are no Es.
Yeah, but it isn't impressive avoiding a letter if you can use any word you want, and it doesnt matter what it means. "Without employing the second most frequent letter of English." would make sense or "the vowel which is commonly listed first" or some sort of thing. I suspect they just didn't know what lexicon meant and thought it sounded smart.
Ahh, I didn't know that Americans* called dictionaries 'lexicons'. In most forms of English I've heard, and in the field of linguistics, 'lexicon' is the complete set of vocabulary in a language, or subject. A dictionary is an alphabetical list of a lexicon, often with definitions.
*I'm presuming it's Americans because mirriam webster lists the dictionary definition first, while OED and Cambridge only list that as archaic usage.
Plenty of archaic uses are still common depending on dialect. One of the more annoying aspects of Cambridge and OED is the assignment of archaic to older or lesser used forms that may still be common in parlance bet fell out of favor in most other ways.
Also I refuse to listen to what the English have to say on the English because they keep intentionally fucking with their dialect.
Quite right! Never trust the English! But what do you mean, they "keep intentionally fucking with their dialect"? All languages, dialects, sociolects, etc are constantly changing in different ways, do you feel like the dialects of England change more than other? Or that they do it more purposefully?
If memory serves they've had at least one government backed effort to relatinize certain words in their dialect. I do respect any country that does that on an intentional and purposeful level, it's why I don't respect the French and why I have gripes with the Icelandic.
If you list all English words in an order, a preferably standard/prototypical kind of order, what will be the first word on the list?
I'd say that if nothing else is specified, then the most correct choice of putting the words in an order is ti put them in alphabetical order.
If there is "the first one of all English words", then it's actually a bit difficult finding a definition for that where the first one would be something else than "a".
You’re describing the relationship between Nicola Tesla (inventor, genius) and Thomas Edison (business man, scumbag).
Benjamin Franklin (pictured right) is the guy who proved the existence of electricity. He is better known for inventing using the printing press and inventing bifocals.
You’re right, not the inventor. I had thought he reinvented it, making the first modern printing press, rather he built his own and was one of the first prolific users of one in America.
Might've been better paired with Adams. If I'm remembering correctly, when they were going to France, Adams tried to learn the language with rote memorization and conjugation tables and whatnot. Franklin apparently just made up "French-sounding" words.
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Ephera@lemmy.ml · 47 pts · 251d
Mastodon instance where you can't post the letter "e": https://oulipo.social/public/local 🙃
Foxfire@pawb.social · 30 pts · 251d
A bit of a drag that a lot of local posts look so short and cut off—avoiding that fifth glyph isn't particularly difficult. I was hoping individuals willing to sign up to this community would find joy in writing out paragraphs about various things.
Thassodar@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 251d
Did you... Did you do the thing there? There's no e
(☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
Foxfire@pawb.social · 12 pts · 251d
Bingo, saw an opportunity and had to jump on it.
Empricorn@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 251d
They- Fuck! I already lost...
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 251d
Yeah, I tried it in my other comment, and at first it started with "I think, folks..." which was already a dead end, because any continuation I tried would eventually need a "they". Kind of wild that something as basic as plural can fuck you up. 😅
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 251d
I think, you usually post, if you got a thing to say. And thus you want to say that thing, not look for formulations all day long...
Foxfire@pawb.social · 10 pts · 251d
You might find it laborious at first, but as you post, it will turn natural. It's not what I would ask of most, but to join a Mastodon location all about that act? It did disappoint a bit skimming local posts; it's fun to do this activity!
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 251d
In English, not using "e" seems like the true struggle.
(Sentence above free of "a"s).
Klear@quokk.au · 47 pts · 251d
Fuck you.
Mac@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 251d
Ah, classic rebuttal and sans a certain character! Fantastic!
Klear@quokk.au · 2 pts · 250d
Almost!
Mac@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 249d
I was going for all As in contrast to none.
otacon239@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 251d
There’s an entire novel that did it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsby_(novel)
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 251d
Several. Later Georges Perec also did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Void
Which is a book about a world in which the letter "E" has disappeared and only one guy notices it. He tries to prove it, but of course all works of literature have been "rewritten" by reality to no longer include E. For example, Edgar Allen Poe's The Raven, is now A Blackbird - which the author includes in full, keeping the original meter and plot.
toynbee@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
I heard about this when I was in my twenties, forgot the details, and purchased The Great Gatsby instead.
I thought I was missing something for the longest time. I guess I was.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 1 pts · 251d
Ahh that's the one. For some reason I thought it was from the 1880s...
EtherWhack@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 251d
I just did it.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
You thought you did somthing thr didnt you? Wll sorry to burst your bubbl but numrous sentnces could b constructd without mploying th first ltter of the Nglish lxicon.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org · 6 pts · 251d
They snuck right past you
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
I left one in there as an exercise for the reader. I also didn't change the letter position from first to fifth :D
oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 251d
It’s not too difficult to avoid using it.
18107@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 251d
Rapping without the letter E
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 251d
Just reminded me of this.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 24 pts · 251d
Wasn't there a novel written in the 1880s that did not include the letter E? The most commonly used letter in the English language. The story in the novel was unremarkable save for the fact that... yeah, there are no Es.
buttnugget@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 251d
That’s cool as a technical exercise.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 12 pts · 251d
And it was. It wasn't noticed much when it first came out, but some decades later it blew up when people realised how cool it was.
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
Restaurant Review... no wait
Eatery Evaluation....no...
Food Box, Go or No Go? By Homer.. Bill Simpson.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 251d
Could still be shorter, "So?"
Triumph@fedia.io · 3 pts · 251d
O!
Emi@ani.social · 2 pts · 251d
Oi mum, where's Grond?
Haaveilija@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 251d
Grond
Acamon@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 251d
In what sense is it the first letter of the English lexicon? Lexicon ≠ alphabet
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 251d
In the sense that Alphabet has an 'a' in it.
Acamon@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 251d
Yeah, but it isn't impressive avoiding a letter if you can use any word you want, and it doesnt matter what it means. "Without employing the second most frequent letter of English." would make sense or "the vowel which is commonly listed first" or some sort of thing. I suspect they just didn't know what lexicon meant and thought it sounded smart.
bstix@feddit.dk · 13 pts · 251d
I think the description "first letter" is easily understood if you remember what a lexicon used to look like.
Acamon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 251d
Ahh, I didn't know that Americans* called dictionaries 'lexicons'. In most forms of English I've heard, and in the field of linguistics, 'lexicon' is the complete set of vocabulary in a language, or subject. A dictionary is an alphabetical list of a lexicon, often with definitions.
*I'm presuming it's Americans because mirriam webster lists the dictionary definition first, while OED and Cambridge only list that as archaic usage.
bstix@feddit.dk · 6 pts · 251d
Well I'm neither English or American, but to me the word lexicon means encyclopedia. It's still alphabetical.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 251d
It also means a person's personal vocabulary... Aka a personal dictionary.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 251d
Plenty of archaic uses are still common depending on dialect. One of the more annoying aspects of Cambridge and OED is the assignment of archaic to older or lesser used forms that may still be common in parlance bet fell out of favor in most other ways.
Also I refuse to listen to what the English have to say on the English because they keep intentionally fucking with their dialect.
Acamon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 251d
Quite right! Never trust the English! But what do you mean, they "keep intentionally fucking with their dialect"? All languages, dialects, sociolects, etc are constantly changing in different ways, do you feel like the dialects of England change more than other? Or that they do it more purposefully?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 251d
If memory serves they've had at least one government backed effort to relatinize certain words in their dialect. I do respect any country that does that on an intentional and purposeful level, it's why I don't respect the French and why I have gripes with the Icelandic.
Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee · 1 pts · 250d
If you list all English words in an order, a preferably standard/prototypical kind of order, what will be the first word on the list?
I'd say that if nothing else is specified, then the most correct choice of putting the words in an order is ti put them in alphabetical order.
If there is "the first one of all English words", then it's actually a bit difficult finding a definition for that where the first one would be something else than "a".
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 251d
Thomas Jefferson: Intelligence.
Benjamin Franklin: Genius.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 251d
tomenzgg@midwest.social · 3 pts · 251d
The former; the person you're thinking of, as the latter, is Thomas Edison.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 251d
Thanks!
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 251d
I’m going to assume you’re serious…
You’re describing the relationship between Nicola Tesla (inventor, genius) and Thomas Edison (business man, scumbag).
Benjamin Franklin (pictured right) is the guy who proved the existence of electricity. He is better known for
inventingusing the printing press and inventing bifocals.WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 251d
Apparently he invented time travel, too, if he was able to go back to 1440 to invent the printing press.
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 251d
I wouldn’t put it past him.
You’re right, not the inventor. I had thought he reinvented it, making the first modern printing press, rather he built his own and was one of the first prolific users of one in America.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 251d
I've never seen a picture of Franklin when he was young. Maybe he was almost 400 years old when he died?
/s
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 251d
"I win the bet"
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 251d
the difference between Virginia and Philadelphia has never been so succinctly summarized
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 250d
Oh I could, with simplicity.
你用英语因为你只懂英语。
我不肯用英语因为我不肯给你懂。
我们不同。
(Prompt didn't specify which linguistic-type to use. P.S. used pinyin without the first letter of the 字母)
konalt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 250d
On Reddit there was a subreddit where you couldn't use the letter E, r/AVoid5 iirc
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 249d
Throwback to rddit mold mayhaps?
MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 250d
Might've been better paired with Adams. If I'm remembering correctly, when they were going to France, Adams tried to learn the language with rote memorization and conjugation tables and whatnot. Franklin apparently just made up "French-sounding" words.