I understood "doll" to be a word that trans women call each other, which I like. I would not like being called doll by someone other than a trans woman.
There's been a bit of a catchphrase that certain allies use to signal their support: "Protect the dolls." Apparently "doll" was once used to refer to trans women, which is all fine and dandy for people that like it. However, it is not a term I knew about before the catchphrase, nor is it one I particularly like. It comes off as kinda icky and objectifying to me.
Dolls are plastic facsimiles of "real" girls that are used as a child's plaything. Definitely grosses me out when people use it as a phrase specifically for trans women. It's a term that needlessly others us. Just call us women, if the situation calls for specifying that we're trans call us trans women.
I don't really mind if it's being used as a term of endearment between women, but I'm not a fan of it coming from men or being used as a trans-specific term.
But I am about as neutral to tgirl as I am trans girl because they are both terms that refer to the same thing although I can see why, the only one that I have that visceral a reaction to is the t slur that is also really common to describe us on those sites and being called a trans is almost as bad but not quite although I hate both quite a bit
I don't care to call anyone something that they'd find offensive, but I'm kinda interested in being fed a bag of old hammers. Will they be cooked in some way to improve their texture and flavor? I've been good, I think I deserve a Hammer Meal.
38 Comments
apotheotic@beehaw.org · 34 pts · 231d
I have the same visceral reaction when people refer to trans women as "a trans" or "a transwoman", same goes for trans men
I do, however, love "doll"
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 231d
I get that. I wouldn't mind "doll" as just an old timey word for women in general, but as a word for trans women it doesn't feel right.
apotheotic@beehaw.org · 4 pts · 231d
Oh I for sure understand why anyone might not like the term for themself
Kayday@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 230d
I understood "doll" to be a word that trans women call each other, which I like. I would not like being called doll by someone other than a trans woman.
Noodle07@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 231d
In my country it's more of a name for very young girls 🤷
WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 230d
Yeah I hate those but T girl is fine to me aswell as doll
winkly@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 231d
Tans?
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net · 44 pts · 231d
Make sure you wear sunscreen even if you’re a tans woman.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 231d
She misspelled it, but decided it was funny so left it in.
DarkSirrush@piefed.ca · 27 pts · 231d
I could never imaging referring to someone by a porn category, that's just gross.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 24 pts · 231d
I tried to come up with a clever response, but I don't know porn categories and have to read into it first. Give me some time please.
Irony aside, yeah. Don't do that.
OK, I checked. The three that fit best are funny, German and solo male.
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 231d
What's wrong with German?
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 6 pts · 231d
Nothing, but being a German I think the porn category describes me. I have no clue what's behind that category, but the label fits.
Knowing the stereotypes, it's probably dirndl, sausage and beer.
CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 231d
It's just language and actors.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 5 pts · 231d
Underwhelming 😞
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 231d
You can call me "big dick" if you want.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 231d
"ebony"
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 230d
You can call me amateur
stray@pawb.social · 3 pts · 231d
I had no idea it was a porn category, so thank you for this post.
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 231d
Never heard of "t-girl" before.
Does the term have history? I get that it is offensive, I'm just missing the why.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 231d
It's often used in porn
sem@piefed.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 231d
Ty
PyroNeurosis@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 231d
I'm only familiar with 'doll' in the crime noir sense. While it has very misogynist connotations, I don't see it as being among the worst.
Point being, I know I'm missing something, but don't know what.
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 231d
There's been a bit of a catchphrase that certain allies use to signal their support: "Protect the dolls." Apparently "doll" was once used to refer to trans women, which is all fine and dandy for people that like it. However, it is not a term I knew about before the catchphrase, nor is it one I particularly like. It comes off as kinda icky and objectifying to me.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 231d
Dolls are plastic facsimiles of "real" girls that are used as a child's plaything. Definitely grosses me out when people use it as a phrase specifically for trans women. It's a term that needlessly others us. Just call us women, if the situation calls for specifying that we're trans call us trans women.
I don't really mind if it's being used as a term of endearment between women, but I'm not a fan of it coming from men or being used as a trans-specific term.
stray@pawb.social · 3 pts · 231d
It sounds like a category alongside Marthas, Wives, and Handmaids.
DarkSirrush@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 231d
It infers they are fake, not a real woman, just a facsimile of one.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 231d
It's also pretty infantilizing. Dolls are a child's plaything, the implication is that we're just dressing up and playing make believe.
Valarie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 231d
I prefer girl or that bitch over there
But I am about as neutral to tgirl as I am trans girl because they are both terms that refer to the same thing although I can see why, the only one that I have that visceral a reaction to is the t slur that is also really common to describe us on those sites and being called a trans is almost as bad but not quite although I hate both quite a bit
Eladriagon@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 230d
Seconded... if it's that other T-word we're both thinking of (there's a V in there too...) yeah, just... ick. 🤮 Such a dated, horrid word.
Valarie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 229d
Wasn't the t slur I was thinking but agreed it is gross
I was thinking the nny one but i even thinking about the v one.
Why are there so many fucking popular t slurs for us
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 231d
@tgirlschierke@lemmy.blahaj.zone
🍿🍿🍿
(also, "tans woman"?)
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 231d
I'm not against people calling themselves things, I just don't want people to ascribe terms to me.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 231d
Totally fair, I just see the two of you posting a lot of similar content and thought it was a funny coincidence.
SpikesOtherDog@ani.social · 4 pts · 231d
Can I have some of that popcorn? I need to get my learning on
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 231d
Weirdly I'm nonbinary and not a woman, but I don't mind being called a girl 🤷♀️
fartographer@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 230d
I don't care to call anyone something that they'd find offensive, but I'm kinda interested in being fed a bag of old hammers. Will they be cooked in some way to improve their texture and flavor? I've been good, I think I deserve a Hammer Meal.
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 4 pts · 231d
::: spoiler CONSTO, TANNA MULIER. Okay, tanned madam.
🥁 :::