There is actual strategic value to Greenland. It is right in the line of sight between Russia and the USA. If the USA were to place a missile defence station on Greenland, they would be able to intercept Russian missiles.

There is also some legitimate claim to the island, since the USA was the one to help the Greenlanders during and after WW2. Which is not the best claim, but it us the most recent claim of them all. All the claim Denmark has, is that there were some Danish settlers there in the 18th century. And maybe the claim that they need to atone for their inuit genocide which has helped to make Greenland self rule infeasible for now.

gressen@lemmy.zip · 19 pts · 240d (9 replies)

If the USA were to place a missile defence station on Greenland, they would be able to intercept Russian missiles.

Except no, because you can intercept ICBMs only in the first and final stages of flight. In the coast phase they are too high and do not light up on radars.

Next argument please.

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · -28 pts · 240d (8 replies)

Next argument please.

I'll pass. You have a shitty style of debate.

gressen@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 240d (4 replies)

Right, because attacking the person rather than the actual argument is a stellar example of mature discussion skills.

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · -13 pts · 240d (3 replies)

I am explicitely not attacking your person, but your style of debate. You might very well be a great person to hang out with. I'm not making assumptions about that.

You cannot change who you are, so it would be unfair to comment on your person. You can however change your debate style by not saying things like "next argument please".

Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 240d (2 replies)

Next argument please.

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 240d

Lol, I am making assumptions about your person now 😅

michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 240d (2 replies)

The problem is that your post consists only of specious arguments that indicate you haven't really thought about this. EG it makes little sense to try to annex Greenland for defense when the act of trying to take it would blow up half of our alliances, start a war, and ultimately provide no more benefit than simply continuing to ally with Greenland/Denmark.

abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 240d (1 reply)

If I were the glorious leader of the USA, I could just fall back on the fact that I am the smartest person by presidential decreed. But I am not, so I can only make specious arguments.

It is a great thought experiment though. How can the glorious leader justify the American claim to Greenland?

michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d

He has literally said he would claim it based on the US needing to take its shit and make it his shit. He doesn't appear to need reasonable or even sane justifications. That said its ridiculous. It would be spitting on all of Europe and taking it militarily would have massive economic consequences.

michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 240d

The lawfully formed government of the people asserts that they are part of Denmark whilst having the power to be independent or part of another nation if the political will exists to enact it which is ultimately what makes a country a country.

Imagining we have any claim on it based on rendering aid almost a century ago is...kinda deranged. Also its strategic value can easily be realized as it is now via alliance.

What cannot be realized by alliance is handing out their resources like prizes to cronies which is the actual motivation.

vxx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d

All the claim Denmark has, is that there were some Danish settlers there in the 18th century.

So we can take over the USA because their only claim is settlers getting there in recently history?

gressen@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 240d (1 reply)

This is an attack of whole EU.

juko_kun@sh.itjust.works · -19 pts · 240d

Lol...

tehsillz@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 240d (7 replies)

This is not just Trump at this point. No American is standing up for their ally Denmark. This is disgusting and involves all Americans. Stop buying their shitty weapons.

Insekticus@aussie.zone · 15 pts · 240d

Stop buying all their products.

You wouldn't buy a can of beans grown and packed by the Nazis, or firewall security software from Russia. I actively stopped buying any American products in the store when I Trump won both times.

Fuck tyrants.

TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 8 pts · 240d (5 replies)

No American is standing up for their ally Denmark. This is disgusting and involves all Americans.

What? This very much does not involve all Americans.

Most Americans despise this asshole and have no interest in invading Greenland, and plenty see it as a horrific betrayal.

tehsillz@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 240d (3 replies)

Show me one American politician who is standing up for Denmark and Greenland right now

Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 240d (2 replies)

TBF most Americans couldn't find Denmark.

tehsillz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 240d (1 reply)

Real shame considering Denmark spend 19 years with the US in Afghanistan and lost 44 soldiers..

Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 240d

Please, don't you know history? America liberated Afghanistan all on its own and and never even came close to losing that war

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 8 pts · 240d

IMHO saying "this involves all Americans" is valid, and not an attack against every single one.

LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 240d (2 replies)

My conspiracy theory with this Greenland thing: Those in power now are deliberately destroying the world so it can be "rebuilt the right way". Greenland is in a position on the globe to become quite a pleasant climate. Once the ice melts it will be one of the best places on earth to live. Not to mention the huge amount of natural resources that will become available. Its also currently a politically isolated area, so when WW3 wipes out half the population it will most likely remain untouched. (Though tbf if trump makes moves on it that wont be the case). I don't think the current admin is even really aware of why Greenland is important, save for a few people who implemented project 2025.
removes foil hat

ngdev@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 240d

to add: when the polar ice caps melt it will be positioned directly in a newly available shipping route

Billygoat@piefed.social · 2 pts · 239d

Wouldn’t it become colder if the Atlantic current gets interrupted?

Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 240d (2 replies)

No means no, Donald.

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 13 pts · 240d

"That's not what my dad taught me"

falseWhite@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 240d

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WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 240d

Taco!

CircaV@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 240d

As an anti-war person, I will fight for Greenland’s autonomy.

sibachian@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 240d (3 replies)

Tiel has been pushing chat control on europe and Denmark is the forefront of making it happen. Is the greenland and chat control situation connected? Sure seems like the perfect timing. Threaten to take greenland unless pushing through laws that are universally hated by the people (which makes absolutely no sense in europe because the government and the people are supposed to be one and the same and where we generally only let insane laws pass when the US threatens sanctions which is technically not even possible on a single european country as the union is a trade union lol - but soft power, i guess).

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 10 pts · 240d (1 reply)

*Thiel.

No, I don't think it's connected, beyond the obvious: MAGA having a boner for both Greenland and the EU. Greenland has Oil btw. And will become ever more important geopolitically as the ice keeps on melting.

sibachian@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 238d

probably not, but it wouldn't be the first time something similar happened.

Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · -7 pts · 240d

Just because the goverment of the USA and individual actors in the USA are trying to influence and manipulate the rest of the world doesnt mean everything is connected to everything or in other words keep your tinfoil in the kitchen as long as you dont have concrete evidence.

QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 240d (3 replies)

What is his obsession with that place?

Natanael@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 240d

Big on map

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 240d

Oil probably

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 4 pts · 239d

Oil, but also geopolitics.

As the ice continues to melt, the Arctic will be an important (shorter) shipping root. This is already happening, and Russia is in a powerful position there.

Of course the current administration of Greenland/Denmark/EU is also aware of this, it's not like we're leaving the Arctic to the Russians.

QuarterSwede@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 240d (8 replies)

I’d truly love to see him try to do this or Canada simply because I don’t know anyone in the military that would follow those orders and I’m around a bunch of higher ranking ones. Pretty sure this would push him to impeachment. One can hope.

UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 58 pts · 240d (4 replies)

Are those the same guys that were going to stop him from deploying the national guard within the US, or the guys that wouldn't ever pirate vessels, or fire missiles at fisherman and watch them drown?

But yeah, I'm sure we will see some integrity from US military leadership any day now.

Deceptichum@quokk.au · 21 pts · 240d (1 reply)

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gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 240d

Tbh I’ll believe it when I see it.

I genuine hope I’m being overly pessimistic. But in a situation like this, nobody should plan for some deus ex machine bullshit to swoop in and make everything all better. We’re very far down a road that we cannot go back up. This will take a generation to revert and restore, at least. Likely several.

Heliumfart@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 240d

No thank you. I def don't want to rely on the US Army to do the right thing

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 240d

They're the guys that saw the reports from Abu Ghraib and said "Sign me up!"

NotSteve_@piefed.ca · 15 pts · 240d

As a Canadian I really do not want to see him try that

michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 240d

There is no reason to believe that the senate would actually vote to impeach. Almost 60% of current or former soldiers voted for Trump. Veteran is a synonym for traitor.

etchinghillside@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 240d

That’s what the Christmas bonus for the military is for.

rainbowbunny@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 240d

He also claimed the US was there 300 years ago. "We were there with boats too I'm sure." (Refrencing Greenland) Piped Reuters

sturmblast@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 240d (1 reply)

The USA is the most secure nation on the planet, we don't need shit

AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 240d

We'll just ignore all those war thunder forum leaks.

Burninator05@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 239d (1 reply)

Or, hear me out, we leave Greenland alone and mend ties with Denmark who has been a steadfast ally for decades.

ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 239d

(Also, perfectly reasonable.)

SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 240d

Threatening to annex a country to coerce them into giving away mineral rights

Art of the Deeeaaalllllll

scumbag

gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 240d (13 replies)

Ah, more attempts to distract from the Epstein Files it seems

Man has no actual intention to do anything to Greenland.

Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 240d (1 reply)

Stop downplaying his direct threats on another nation's sovereignty. He has the motive and the means to do it. It's a very real threat and ignoring it is dangerous.

AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 240d

I seem to remember dems downplaying the danger of trump running for president and look how that went...

TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 240d (9 replies)

Please stop doing his PR for him. Is it just like he didn't really have an actual intention to deploy ICE as blackshirts? Is it like how he wasn't really going to gut government agencies under the flimsiest excuse of "DOGE"? Is it like how he wasn't going to go completely absurd with tariffs? Is it just like he wasn't going to begin sinking ships, pirating oil tankers, and starting wars with nearby countries?

Just because the guy is so incompetent his letting you see his cards before he has played them doesn't mean he does not intend on playing them. It is signalling to Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia not only that he has them but that he will play them. This all comes from initiatives from people like the Heritage Foundation's Luke Coffey colliding and merging with all the other agendas he sees himself benefiting from that have foreign powers freely buying his influence and pushing him towards this change in world order.

When China invades Taiwan, when Russia begins invading other countries besides Ukraine, it is very likely the Trump administration will use this as an excuse to try to "protect" strategic interests like Canada and Greenland, which will just be the US moving in their military influence into the bases already present on their soil and then sprawling out to whatever "strategic" assets they need to "secure", while also trying to pressure their governments into a deal like Ukraine's. When they don't cooperate, they will call up on their new "allies" to manufacture pressure for them while they are preoccupied trying to keep the US military locked down, likely through "Trump daddy" Mark Rutte led NATO.

No amount of denial has ever kept wars from happening in the past.

paperazzi@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 240d (7 replies)

Canada understands the threat, thus the boycott of all things USian and call for 300,000 civilian military.

michaelmrose@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 240d (6 replies)

USian

Nobody uses this. In fact nobody uses an acronym and slaps ian or any other postfix to describe any group of people anywhere UAEians see how weird that is?

bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 240d (1 reply)

They're called Emerati which is not far off from UAEian.

michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 239d

it is completely different from USian or UAEian note the actual word that is pluralized is a fucking word as opposed to an acronym!

It's also weird to invent such a word in the same language instead of using the correct word that planet earth and the people in question use.

paperazzi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 226d (3 replies)

I can call them whatever I want. That's the neat thing about the English language - it's versatile.

Also, I refuse to call them "Americans" anymore. USians don't own that term. As a Canadian, I'm american, cause I live in North America. People who live in Mexico and South America are also americans. In fact, they have more title to that name than USians or myself as a non-indigenous person.

And it will always be Gulf of Mexico.

michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 225d (2 replies)

Nobody uses Americans to mean everyone from Guatamala to Canada. The problem with having your own unique conflicting usage is that literally nobody understands you

paperazzi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 220d (1 reply)

It's not my own usage. It's a term that's trending, thanks to white nationalist idiots.

michaelmrose@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 219d

Ya its not

gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 240d

Shit, good point, he's done other crazy shit.

MagicShel@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 240d

I wouldn't be so certain. He's weird. And someone is probably telling him he could name it Trumpland.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 239d (1 reply)

Venezuela, Greenland, Canada, Panama Canal…what other countries is he after flailing about in his shitty-flex foreign policy?

FloatingAlong@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 239d

Nigeria.

fizzy23xv@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 240d (4 replies)

Let's wait and see the progress ☺️😁

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 0 pts · 240d (2 replies)

Yep.

OTOH:

I want Greenland!!!
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Oh, alright.

fizzy23xv@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 238d (1 reply)

Yoh. How are you doing

A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 1 pts · 238d

Fine. You?

WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · -2 pts · 240d

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WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 3 pts · 240d

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Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 238d

Remember “Domino Theory”? How we were told Communism was sweeping the planet, overthrowing countries and co-opting their governments one at a time until they ran the whole show? Kinda ironic in hindsight, almost like it was projection the whole time…